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Jeff Schley

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Speed Golf - A thing that gets momentum?
« on: January 05, 2021, 10:36:41 PM »
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/05/golf/speed-golf-dustin-johnson-bryson-dechambeau-spc-spt-intl/index.html


I have ran 9 holes years ago and was more like jogging in between shots and know that Mark Wahlberg jogs early morning rounds at Sherwood CC.  Will this ever become a thing?


At the very least it is appalling the lack of pace on the tour despite the rules.
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AChao

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Re: Speed Golf - A thing that gets momentum?
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2021, 01:49:15 AM »
I had a health scare years ago, so for my exercise I would hit and run between all shots.  I'd play 9 holes in about an hour on a small but hilly course.  I lost 45 pounds in a six month stretch and the speed golf helped.  Though I have to say it is really different from real golf and not so enjoyable.

Kyle Harris

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Re: Speed Golf - A thing that gets momentum?
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2021, 05:19:45 AM »
It needs to be velocity golf for it to have any momentum.
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Thomas Dai

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Re: Speed Golf - A thing that gets momentum?
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2021, 10:30:40 AM »
If courses were shorter and/or green to next tee distances were less would folks be more inclined to walk?
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Adam Lawrence

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Re: Speed Golf - A thing that gets momentum?
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2021, 10:38:53 AM »
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/05/golf/speed-golf-dustin-johnson-bryson-dechambeau-spc-spt-intl/index.html


I have ran 9 holes years ago and was more like jogging in between shots and know that Mark Wahlberg jogs early morning rounds at Sherwood CC.  Will this ever become a thing?


At the very least it is appalling the lack of pace on the tour despite the rules.


There is an active Speed Golf community. My friend golf architect Tim Lobb has become an enthusiastic participant in the last six months or so. Tim played in the SW Speed Golf championship in September -- he did eighteen holes in 89 shots and 57 minutes!


https://britishspeedgolf.co.uk
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Rob Marshall

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Re: Speed Golf - A thing that gets momentum?
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2021, 11:43:39 AM »
There is a guy at my club that does it. He makes the turn when we are showing up to play and we are always the first or second group off. I don't get it.
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Keith Williams

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Re: Speed Golf - A thing that gets momentum?
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2021, 11:44:37 AM »
It needs to be velocity golf for it to have any momentum.


Kyle,


As an engineer, I see what you did there...

Steve Lang

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Re: Speed Golf - A thing that gets momentum?
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2021, 11:45:39 AM »
 8)  Jeff,


A thing that gets momentum???  Definitely not until the tee sheets get cleared post-covid! 


The fact that you played it (jogged) 9 years ago should give you a clue, ...  personally i haven't had any incentive to run 5 miles since the Flag City Triathalon in '84 and that was more like walking 27 holes.   


Wish them well in their physical fitness and "right brain" development, but with a bum knee all I could muster would be a brisk walk to get in under 3 hours. 


"See ball, hit ball, see putt, hole putt, go to the next" is something for the swing coaches & psychologists to debate...
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Tom_Doak

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Re: Speed Golf - A thing that gets momentum?
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2021, 11:56:18 AM »
It's a niche thing.  It's amazing, but there is maybe one golfer in 100 who could ever do this in anything close to the times put in by the best players.


Time-wise, they have to play first thing in the morning like the guy at Rob's club, as it's impossible to play through a bunch of other groups without hurting someone.  The maintenance crew probably won't like them much, at first, but they would probably get used to it very quickly as the pace of play is very predictable.  That's the only obstacle that I see to offering it at most courses, but there won't be too many takers.

Michael Felton

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Re: Speed Golf - A thing that gets momentum?
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2021, 12:07:50 PM »
There is a video out there of a guy going round Bandon Dunes in under an hour shooting 68. VERY impressive.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ43miMu0lw

Aaron Marks

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Re: Speed Golf - A thing that gets momentum?
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2021, 12:53:27 PM »



There is a rhythm you can get in while running and golfing that produces really nice golf, until the lactic acid takes over at least.


However, fast is boring.  The "Most holes played in 12 hours record" is more interesting to me.  Karl Meltzer, the winningest 100 mile ultrarunner, had the record. Then it was taken by a former MLB guy (Eric Byrnes) turned ultrarunner: [size=78%]https://www.issuewire.com/former-mlb-player-eric-byrnes-breaks-12-hour-speed-golf-world-record-1599122454659985[/size]


A previous record holder completed ~97km in 11h 20m of golf.  That would be a pretty good time for most people without the golf!  Not an easy record to take...

John Foley

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Re: Speed Golf - A thing that gets momentum?
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2021, 02:01:03 PM »
I've seen this before but never tried it. Have run for much of my life but never got the desire. I run for exercise and golf for the relaxation / competition.


I brought this up to one of my daughters friends who was lined up to be successful at this. Awesome golfer who was sectional HS champ, women's club champ at their CC but also state champ in the 400M hurdles. Talk about the correct alignment of talent!
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Peter Sayegh

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Re: Speed Golf - A thing that gets momentum?
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2021, 03:37:58 PM »
Would this not be the SMALLEST segment of players? Fit, capable...and "disinterested?" Is it just grassed parkour?
This site highlights/touts the subtleties of holes and courses, correct?

Would love this exchange at the World Speed Championship trophy ceremony:Announcer: "Great round Jim. Best we've seen in years. A stunning 71 in just over 65 minutes. Can I ask you how you navigated the historic (Raynor/Ross/Dye/Doak) swale in front of 14?"Jim: "What's a swale?"
Obviously, not my thing.

Michael Wolf

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Re: Speed Golf - A thing that gets momentum?
« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2021, 10:23:02 AM »
My next door neighbor is a 65 year old female speed golfer, and I will politely describe her as "well know" in the local golf community.


She's first off as a solo at 7am every morning at her local club. I believe she's reached detente with the maintenance crew to go ahead and do her thing while mostly staying out of their way while they prepare the course for non-insane members.


She plays EVERY DAY of the year. She usually finishes her first 18 by 8:30-9am, at which point her husband will sometimes join her for 9 or 18 more. He rides and she runs. Combined they put in 650-700 18 hole loops a year. They bring their own energy bars and water since the turn house isn't open yet. My understanding is she earns enough from making a couple of aces annually in the hole in one club to offset their entire membership costs for the year.


She's home by 11am, at which point she either cuts her one acre lawn 3 days a week (multi time HOA beautification winner) or drives to the local lake for COMPETITIVE waterski racing.


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Niall C

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Re: Speed Golf - A thing that gets momentum?
« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2021, 12:28:14 PM »
I wonder if it is allowed at Augusta National ?

Niall

William_G

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Re: Speed Golf - A thing that gets momentum?
« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2021, 01:05:23 PM »
There is a video out there of a guy going round Bandon Dunes in under an hour shooting 68. VERY impressive.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ43miMu0lw


I have participated in the Bandon Dunes event and it's a great experience.
The thing you learn is that taking more time and being overly deliberate is mostly a waste of time.
The mental part of the game is distilled down to execution, not over analysis.
good stuff
Chris Smith got me hooked on it.
It's all about the golf!

jeffwarne

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Re: Speed Golf - A thing that gets momentum?
« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2021, 02:28:01 PM »
It's a niche thing.  It's amazing, but there is maybe one golfer in 100 who could ever do this in anything close to the times put in by the best players.


Time-wise, they have to play first thing in the morning like the guy at Rob's club, as it's impossible to play through a bunch of other groups without hurting someone.  The maintenance crew probably won't like them much, at first, but they would probably get used to it very quickly as the pace of play is very predictable.  That's the only obstacle that I see to offering it at most courses, but there won't be too many takers.


This
potential deal breaker
sure it could work, at an uber private or slow club
or a failing course with minimal play
OR if you had enough of them to coordinate maintenance and play around them.
Playing TOO fast(ahead of predicted pace) can be a real problem for superintendents and staff at a busy club, but perhaps a few could go out early and the maintenance work in the gaps behind them, but speed golfers are unlikely to play together so you're not getting ideal course utilization during prime working and play time.
Great exercise though and I wouldn't be opposed to it growing in popularity in an ideal world.
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John Kavanaugh

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Re: Speed Golf - A thing that gets momentum?
« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2021, 02:34:37 PM »
Buy a golf simulator and a tread mill.

William_G

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Re: Speed Golf - A thing that gets momentum?
« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2021, 03:36:27 PM »
Buy a golf simulator and a tread mill.
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Steve Lang

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Re: Speed Golf - A thing that gets momentum?
« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2021, 04:24:29 PM »
W_G,


Since score and time are added together, does hitting long distance or running fast drive things? 
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Kalen Braley

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Re: Speed Golf - A thing that gets momentum?
« Reply #20 on: January 08, 2021, 05:38:42 PM »
W_G,


Since score and time are added together, does hitting long distance or running fast drive things?


Given 1 minute equates to 1 stroke, I've got to think keeping the ball in play, while hitting it a reasonable distance would be the most important....

At the inaugural World Championships in 2012 at Bandon, this was the winning score:

77-53:29; 76-56:29 (Strokes-Time to Finish)

Steve Lang

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Re: Speed Golf - A thing that gets momentum?
« Reply #21 on: January 09, 2021, 09:02:15 PM »
 8)  Kalen,


I was thinking, other than keeping it in play, running was the more important, and of course every shot counts...


BTW I had almost forgotten, Chris Walker from here in the Woodlands , TX was the 2012 first winner...  don't remember ever seeing him running around the WCC!   
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Kalen Braley

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Re: Speed Golf - A thing that gets momentum?
« Reply #22 on: January 10, 2021, 01:15:23 PM »
8)  Kalen,

I was thinking, other than keeping it in play, running was the more important, and of course every shot counts...

BTW I had almost forgotten, Chris Walker from here in the Woodlands , TX was the 2012 first winner...  don't remember ever seeing him running around the WCC!

Looking at the top ten from that year, it looks like the prevailing strategy was to shoot decent scores, mostly mid-high 70s, and a few low 80s...except one guy who shot two rounds in the 90s, but ran the course 10-15 minutes faster thane everyone else.

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