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Jason Thurman

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I just got back from a quick trip to Alabama to see family and play golf. My uncle moved down to Decatur a few years ago and insisted we play a round at his home course, Point Mallard. It's a muni, part of a huge park, and walking distance from his house. I Googled it and saw a $22 weekday greens fee. I did a GCA search, and found no mentions of it. I figured I'd enjoy a round with good company on a forgettable golf course.


Instead, I came away totally charmed after a beautiful and easy 3 hour stroll along the Tennessee River. I found a varied set of holes, where my 30 handicap cousin could almost always find his ball but with plenty of challenge for the stronger player. In particular, the greens stood out as having bold contours that created some really interesting shots.


The view from the practice green, looking down 18 and across the course, gives an idea of what you'll find. A low-lying, riverside setting, punctuated with trees but not so thick as to cause ball searches and squelch recovery chances:





Almost every hole allows for a runup option, but greenside bunkering varies throughout and the ideal angle for a running shot changes with it. Few will reach the green in regulation on the long par 4 10th, but the player who comes in from the right side will have a much better chance of running an approach through the opening. From there, the green's contours can work the ball closer to many hole locations, but fallaway edges will shunt away a misplayed ball.





I was smitten with the approach to 17. A shortish par 4, a small mound pokes up in front of the green's left-center. With the day's pin cut just behind it, a strong player must strike his wedge shot crisply to avoid the possibility of a bad ricochet. For the weaker player's running approach, a slope just right of the mound will funnel a shot toward left side hole locations, and positioning a tee shot to the right further opens up the angle. The bunkers in the photo below are behind the green.





For me, the standout green is the 5th. Coming at the end of a 450ish yard par 4, many will play a running shot to this semi-biarritz, offset maybe 20 degrees to the line of play and with fallaway edges all around. With not a bunker in sight, a fabulous array of recovery options exist. Each player in a fourball might choose a different club to attempt an up and down, but all will need to execute an excellent shot to pull it off.





On a course full of surprisingly cool greens and holes, the 5th green took the cake for me. When I saw it, I stopped in my tracks and took the photo above. Is there a cooler green in current state on a course that never costs more than $26 to play? And how many $26 peak-rate courses can hang with Point Mallard? Has anyone else played it? I strongly recommend it for an affordable, enjoyable round in the Decatur area. It's a classic example of a "golf doesn't need to be any better than this" course. I'd love to live walking distance from it myself.
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Mike Bodo

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Re: Is this the coolest green on a course that always costs under $26.01?
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2020, 11:18:04 AM »
$26.00 for a course that looks as nice as Point Mallard even with grass going dormant is a heck of a deal! I hope they're making money at that rate. Are they doing good from what you can tell? The 5th green there is really interesting, as you say.
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MCirba

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Re: Is this the coolest green on a course that always costs under $26.01?
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2020, 11:18:34 AM »
Cool stuff, Jason.   As a muni rat I'm often pleasantly surprised at what I find architecturally at such facilities.

For those playing along at home, the course was designed by Charles Graves in 1969, opening in 71 I believe.   It was modified by John Lafoy in 2004, although I don't know the extent of that work.
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MCirba

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Re: Is this the coolest green on a course that always costs under $26.01?
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2020, 11:30:14 AM »
Actually, for the record, here's the work Lafoy did at Point Mallard;


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Jason Thurman

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Re: Is this the coolest green on a course that always costs under $26.01?
« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2020, 12:03:40 PM »
I'll do some blind speculating here:


Mike B, I doubt the course makes money at $22-$26 a round, but it's also a part of a huge local park that I also doubt makes money on the whole. They had a busy tee sheet the day I visited, and plenty of cars still in the parking lot when I drove by at dusk a few days later. My hope would be that the course comes close enough to breaking even financially that it's viewed as a community asset and not a burden, and I suspect that's the case. Point Mallard Park is a place of rightful pride for the city of Decatur, and I think the golf course plays a role in that based on what little exposure I've had to the course, the park, and the city.


To Mike Cirba's posts, it would be revealing to know how much the contours of greens and character of the surroundings can be attributed to either Lafoy or Graves. Looking at the course on HistoricAerials.com, a trio of 1999 and earlier overheads show the same routing. Graves deserves credit for giving this place a lot of variety on that front. The shapes of a few greens have certainly changed from that aerial, but many others don't look like they've changed much and what was there before wasn't exclusively a collection of round circles that you might expect on a budget-friendly muni. I guess I'd like to think both guys did some pretty damn good work.


I've played a few courses Lafoy has worked on. I've not played anything else from Graves' portfolio to my knowledge. What's known about his work?
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JLahrman

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Re: Is this the coolest green on a course that always costs under $26.01?
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2020, 03:22:36 PM »

Morris Williams GC, a muni here in the People's Republic of Austin, has a Biarritz green on the 16th hole. It's a dogleg left with a downhill tee shot and an uphill second. The hole plays longer than the 412 from the back tees/390 from the whites on the card. It also has no greenside bunkers.


At first I wasn't sure I liked it - with the second shot playing uphill there is no opportunity to watch your shot. But it is actually pretty fun to walk up the hill and discover if your ball reached the right level.


Greens fees are more than $26.01 though, probably $35 to walk on weekends...

JMEvensky

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Re: Is this the coolest green on a course that always costs under $26.01?
« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2020, 04:20:46 PM »

Morris Williams GC, a muni here in the People's Republic of Austin, has a Biarritz green on the 16th hole. It's a dogleg left with a downhill tee shot and an uphill second. The hole plays longer than the 412 from the back tees/390 from the whites on the card. It also has no greenside bunkers.


At first I wasn't sure I liked it - with the second shot playing uphill there is no opportunity to watch your shot. But it is actually pretty fun to walk up the hill and discover if your ball reached the right level.


Greens fees are more than $26.01 though, probably $35 to walk on weekends...




It's been a while since I played Morris Williams, about 45 years, but I don't think we paid much less than that back then.

Ally Mcintosh

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Re: Is this the coolest green on a course that always costs under $26.01?
« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2020, 05:11:47 PM »
I realise you are really aiming this at America...


... Because if not, there’ll be a few. Mulranny nine holer has 9 of the coolest greens I know. Peak rate €20 for 18.

JLahrman

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Re: Is this the coolest green on a course that always costs under $26.01?
« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2020, 05:18:52 PM »
It's been a while since I played Morris Williams, about 45 years, but I don't think we paid much less than that back then.



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MCirba

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Re: Is this the coolest green on a course that always costs under $26.01?
« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2020, 06:01:27 PM »
Jason,

According to "The Architects of Golf", Graves was a landscape architect who moved to Alabama from Kansas at age 5.   He primarily planned city, county, and state parks.

His resume of golf courses was scant.   Along with Point Mallard he also designed Lagoon Park in AL (1978), Westwood GC in GA (1971), as well as Buford Ellington GC (1963) and McKellar GC in TN (1972) before retiring in 1979.
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MCirba

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Re: Is this the coolest green on a course that always costs under $26.01?
« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2020, 06:12:57 PM »
Hoping this is readable...



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Jason Thurman

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Re: Is this the coolest green on a course that always costs under $26.01?
« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2020, 09:54:05 AM »
Ignoring the part about whether it's a Top 75 course in the US or not, that description of Lagoon Park sounds an awful like how one could describe Point Mallard. Not an ideal property in some ways as the river will flood it every now and then. Not designed by a guy famous for designing golf courses. Affordable and challenging enough to test the strongest players... Point Mallard stretches to 7000+ yards from the tips... but really more designed to be playable and fun for the recreational golfer.


I can only find one previous mention of Lagoon Park, from someone who was hopeful to find a good golf course after driving by a few times but then played it a day after a big rain and caught a 5 hour wet round that turned him off to the place. Has anyone played that one?



One note on difficulty after mentioning it above - Point Mallard is the first course I've played this year that I wasn't able to find in the GHIN app, listed with a current set of ratings and slope. I could find the course, but was unable to post a score to it because no rating or slope was on file, according to the app. If you look on Point Mallard's website, you'll see that it rates something like 70/118 from the white tees where I played. That can't possibly be correct though, considering it's length and bunkering and the streams and wooded areas dotted throughout the course and the wild slopes on several greens. It's a challenging golf course. I don't know anything about rating courses, but I'll guess wildly that it should be more in line with like 72.1/133.
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Steve Lang

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Re: Is this the coolest green on a course that always costs under $26.01?
« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2020, 10:23:19 AM »
 8)  Doesn't appear you're trying too hard to post that score, if slope and rating is posted on website, why wouldn't you use it???
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Tommy Williamsen

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Re: Is this the coolest green on a course that always costs under $26.01?
« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2020, 10:36:12 AM »
According to the website the course has closed to play temporarily.
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Jason Thurman

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Re: Is this the coolest green on a course that always costs under $26.01? New
« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2020, 10:45:23 AM »

Tommy, if you're talking Point Mallard, it's just the restaurant at the course that's closed. The course itself is open and busy.

8)  Doesn't appear you're trying too hard to post that score, if slope and rating is posted on website, why wouldn't you use it???


I want to use it! I love that slope and rating! Need to talk to my pro about how to get the score entered - I don't think I can post to a course with an unfiled rating and slope in the app. It kicks me an error message when I try.


But we're finished with posting season as of Sunday in my part of the country, and my handicap fell to its lowest this year after I recklessly shot 79 on the first round of this trip, so my 86 on a course listed at 70/118 or whatever is just what the doctor ordered!
« Last Edit: November 17, 2020, 10:52:11 AM by Jason Thurman »
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