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Sean Remington (SBR)

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Trenton Coutry Club
« on: June 27, 2003, 08:18:39 AM »
  Any information or opinions as to the architectural origins of Trenton Coutry Club?  I have been lucky enough to play there a few times over the last few years and always enjoy it very much.  It's roughly 6,500 yards from the tips and defends it's par of 71 very nicely.  I believe they have worked with Ron Prichard most recently.  

SBR

Mike Hendren

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Re:Trenton Coutry Club
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2003, 09:09:23 AM »
SBR,

This course holds great memories for me.  It was the site of my sole hole-in-one, a sordid tale that has been told before on this site.

My partner and I shot a final round 62 in a two-man scramble several years back to take home the bacon, including significant calcutta winnings.

Oh, wait a minute.  I bet you weren't talking about Trenton, Tennessee CC.  I'm sorry - never mind.

Regards,

Mike
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Sean Remington (SBR)

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Re:Trenton Coutry Club
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2003, 10:08:43 AM »
Mike,

  I'm sorry for not being more specific with my information. I am talking about Trenton C. C. in New Jersey.  Just showing myself for the newbie that I am.
  In an attempt to avoid cover old ground I did do a search prior to my post but came up empty.  Anyway, the 62 with an ace story sure sounds like it was great.

SBR

Joel_Stewart

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Re:Trenton Coutry Club
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2003, 01:35:44 AM »

I've played it a number of times when I lived In Princeton.  I never relized that the original 9 hole layout was from 1897 and hasn't changed since.  If I remember the 1st is similar to GCGC and is approx 280 yards par 4.  The 3rd is a par 3 and seems to play about 280.  The 4th is blind and the toughest hole on the course.  All told there are some very good holes but some very boring holes as well.  

Below is information from their web site, www.trentoncc.com

The original architect is still somewhat of a mystery?  Perhaps Matt Ward knows.
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Course Information

"There aren't many courses left where you can play the same holes that the founding fathers of American golf played. Trenton CC opened in 1897 and hasn't budged since. The original nine-hole layout expanded to 18 in the 1920's. It's tight, tree-lined fairways and smally, fast and sloping greens are the definition of classic early American golf course architecture.

In an age when courses weren't packed from morning to night, it was OK to have the players on the 16th tee hit directly over the 15th green. Trenton is short, designed for an era of hickory shafts and gutta percha balls. But like anything that is now considered a classic, Trenton has aged well and now blends in with the modern game seamlessly." (taken from Washington Golf Monthly - January/February 1998)

 

George_Bahto

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Re:Trenton Coutry Club
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2003, 07:49:01 PM »
I've been trying to make a connection with the Trenton CC with a course that was built by Charlie Banks that seems to have been located in that exact locatio in about 1927.

It (the Banks course) was called Crossing County Club (for Washington's "crossing" of the Delaware).  I've contacted them and an going there soon with BillyV - "the" redanman in a week or so to check it against an old scorecard and other info I have.

Stay tuned.
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Jim Sherma

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Re: Trenton Coutry Club
« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2020, 10:46:30 AM »
Played Trenton CC yesterday for the first time and was very enamored with the course.


While playing the courses I thought about the recent conversations that have been had on GCA regarding yardage spread and sustainability and consider Trenton somewhat of a case study in how to make a 6,127 yard course not feel short (Blue tees are 6,358).


While short in total yardage I never got the feeling that I was playing a short course. The use of some rolling terrain helped stretch out some of the holes but the way the course traded off long and short holes without having many mid-length par-4's was interesting.


The Card


Par - yardage - how it plays


1: 4-286 - Short - Drivable with a front to back green that added huge interest
2: 4-441 - Long - tough downhill approach off a hanging downhill lie
3: 3-195 - Long - uphill hole playing 220+
4: 4-419 - Mid-Long - uphill blind drive limits run-out - blind-ish approach to a green running front to back
5: 3-182 - Mid-Long - downhill to a smallish green with water short and right
6: 4-303 - Short - Drivable with hazard right
7: 5-440 - Short - but second played uphill to a tough green from a hanging downhill lie
8: 4-355 - Mid-Short - Downhill playing shorter than yardage
9: 5-461 - Short - Second is uphill to a tough two tiered green


10: 3-166 - Mid - Slightly downhill with OB right up against right side of green - great use of the boundary (entrance drive)
11: 4-429 - Mid-Long - blind drive followed by one of the cooler green approach you will see - gets very steep just short of the green - landing the ball prior to the steep section should release the ball onto the green - landing the ball on the green should stop it as there is pretty good back to front tilt draining back into a little swale short of the green at the bottom of the steep part - landing it on the steep section shoots it over the green with OB lurking at the base of the built up green - Very cool hole that must be interesting/maddening to play repeatedly - also, there is a tree in the left center of the fairway blocking second shots and forcing some shaping in order to even get to the green - crazy hole
12: 5-560 - Long - uphill drive followed by a second that must be long enough to be able to see the green for the third - tough hole if you don't hit two good shots to set up the third


Here the course goes across a stream onto a different piece of the property - soil seems a little heavier and the parcel is flatter than the rest of the property


13: 3-134 - Short - plays downhill to one of the smallest green's complex you will ever see - OB right and long - diagonal stream across the front and a tree hanging along and over the right edge - another kind of crazy hole hat you just don't see on modern courses
14: 4-407 - Mid - uphill blind tee shot - the fairway was kind of soft and my drive plugged leaving a longer second than you would expect to see if the fairway was running a bit
15: 3-102 - Short - par 3 jammed into another corner of the property - tough green and an ok hole that fits the rest of the course
16: 4-344 - Mid - interest added by having the tee jammed against the boundary and having to move the ball right to left around/over a tree


After 16 you head back to the main part of the property - the stretch from 14-16 was the least interesting of the day and was not helped by playing across the flat boggy turf of that parcel


17: 5-521 - Mid - uphill drive leaving an uphill second with a pronounced right to left tilt leading up to and across the green - long hitters that can get over the crest of the drive have a huge advantage - tough to see how much right to left there is across the green until your ball just doesn't stop rolling
18: 4-382 - Mid - Uphill blind-ish type of drive - interesting green


The course definitely peters out after the 11th somewhat - although I did like the 13th a lot. 17 was interesting in that you would have to figure out the right to left cross slope across repeated plays.


1-11 is really pretty exceptional old-school golf with a lot of interest. The rest of the course is definitely good enough to be worth a play if you are in the area. Especially if you have an interest in seeing how you can route a course with short total yardage while creating enough long shots to maintain the interest of longer players.

Kyle Harris

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Re: Trenton Coutry Club
« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2020, 11:02:32 AM »
Holes #3-4 might be one of the best one-two punches in all the Philadelphia area.
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MCirba

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Re: Trenton Coutry Club
« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2020, 11:09:01 AM »
Jim,


Here's the architectural info I supplied on Trenton some time back.  Cool place.


https://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,48434.0.html
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Brian Finn

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Re: Trenton Country Club
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2020, 12:59:20 PM »
I recently played Trenton CC for the first time, and agree with the sentiments that the course plays significantly longer than its scorecard yardage.  In addition to some genuine brutes (most notably the uphill par 3 3rd, par 4 4th, and par 4 11th), some of the shorter holes have pretty tight corridors (e.g. the 315 yard par 4 6th) that call for precision more than distance.  For a player of my skill level, it presents more than adequate challenge, as even the holes that would seem to give an opportunity to score (short par 5 7th and 9th especially) are quite tough, due mainly to severe slopes on and around the greens.  Like many shorter courses, the greens were the primary defense, and were generally quite good, with a variety of internal contour and slope in play.  I'd also agree that TCC is a cool place, and a fun course.  It has numerous "half-par" holes, and lots of unique features (e.g. driving over the 15th green from the 16th tee) that seem to occur on courses of its vintage (1898 & 1914). 

During my round, our host (a very strong player and student of golf history and architecture) pointed out certain features that he attributed to Tillinghast.  I have found a handful of references (listed below) to Tillinghast at Trenton, but none with much detail as to what work he actually performed there.

1. Tyler Rae's website lists architects J. Norton (1916) and AW Tillinghast (1934) in the section on his 2018 restoration work.

2. Pete Trenham's piece on the Milne family (professionals at TCC from 1941-2006) states that Alexander M. Milne (father of George, grandfather of Dennis) designed greens for Tillinghast, but does not specifically mention work at TCC. 
https://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,56603.msg1314872.html#msg1314872
"At one point Milne designed greens for A.W. Tillinghast.  Tillinghast would describe what he wanted and Milne would create a mold of the green out of clay.  The shapers would then use the mold to build the green."

3. Trenton CC's website lists Tillinghast a a "contributor to its golf program." 
https://www.trentoncc.com/Amenities/Golf
"Since its inception, Trenton Country Club has had several esteemed contributors to its golf program - Tillinghast, Calloway, our professional Emeritus George Milne and his son Dennis Milne who championed our junior program."

4. The NJ State Golf Association lists Trenton as a course where Tillinghast performed a "consulting examination," which is listed separately from original designs and reconstruction projects.
https://www.njsga.org/hall-of-fame/albert-warren-tillinghast-1876-1942

5. Phil Young's book on Tillinghast does not list Trenton CC in the "Tilly's Courses" section, or in the timeline of his PGA tours during the mid to late 1930s. 

6. The Tillinghast Association website has far less detail than it once did, so that no longer seems to be a resource.
http://tillinghast.net/

The old articles shared by Mike Cirba make clear that Jimmy Norton laid out the course in 1913-1914 (possibly including some holes from the original 1898 nine hole course), but there does not seem to be anything concrete on Tillinghast's involvement.  I'd love to learn more, if anyone can share additional resources.
« Last Edit: November 10, 2020, 01:09:05 PM by Brian Finn »
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mike_malone

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Re: Trenton Coutry Club
« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2020, 05:43:18 PM »
Holes #3-4 might be one of the best one-two punches in all the Philadelphia area.


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