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Jeff Schley

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Redan Par 3 Holes - 2020 Catalog
« on: October 29, 2020, 04:49:17 PM »
We had to draw a line and focus on only the Par 3 Redan holes still found in the world. Yes for the OCD we will be not only including, but identifying the reverse Redan holes!!! Denoted with an R after the hole number. Again will site the Fried Egg as a reference to start us off. So where are they at?

I'm only including holes in existence and the original architect, unless the Redan was made new by the new GCA. Restoring a Redan isn't listed. So while we want to note restoration work by some of our active friends and colleagues that is the bar to give credit on this thread.

Updated to post #51

 
Apache Stronghold, AZ - #14Tom Doak
Arcadia Bluffs South, MI - #5 RDana Fry
Architects GC, NJ - #12Kay/Whitten
Ballyhack, VA - #3Lester George
Biltmore Forest, NV - #9Donald Ross
Black Creek Club, TN - #11Brian Silva
Black Creek Club, TN - #7 RBrian Silva
Blackstone, IL - #2Bob Lohmann
Blue Mound, WI - #13Seth Raynor
Bob O'Link, IL - #12Charles Alison
Camargo, OH - #15Seth Raynor
Cavalier Yacht & GC, VA - #18Charles Banks
CC of Charleston, SC - #11Seth Raynor
CC of Fairfield, CT - #9Seth Raynor
Cedar Rapids, IA - #5Donald Ross
Chicago GC, IL - #7CB Macdonald
Creek Club, NY - #8 RCB Macdonald
Dedham Polo Club, MA - #17 RSeth Raynor
Dudley Hill, MA - #6Devereaux Emmett
Elkridge, MD - #17Brian Silva
Essex County Club, MA - #4Donald Ross
Exmoor CC, IL - #8Donald Ross
Fishers Island Club, NY - #2Seth Raynor
Forsgate, NJ - #7 RCharles Banks
Fox Chapel, PA - #6 RSeth Raynor
Greenbrier Old White, WV - #8CB Macdonald
Hackensack GC, NY - #12Charles Banks
Hidden Creek, NJ - #4Coore & Crenshaw
Keney Park, CT - #13Robert Jack Ross/Dusenberry
Kingsley Club, MI - #16Mike DeVries
Knollwood Club, IL - #17Charles Alison
LACC, CA - #11 RGeorge Thomas
Lawsonia Links, WI - #12Langford & Moreau
Lawsonia Links, WI - #4Langford & Moreau
Longue Vue Club, PA - #3Robert White
Lookout Mountain, GA - #13Seth Raynor
Loop at Forest Dunes, MI - #4Tom Doak
Madison CC, CT - #13Willie Park Jr.
Memorial Park, TX - #7Tom Doak
Midland Hills, MN - #16Seth Raynor
Milwaukee CC, WI - #17 RCharles Alison
Minnesota Valley, MN - #2Seth Raynor
Mont Prospect, IL - #4 RDavid Esler
Montclair, NJ - #3 on 4 courseRoss/Banks
Morris Country, NJ - #13 RSeth Raynor
Mountain Lake, FL - #11Seth Raynor
NGLA, NY - #4CB Macdonald
North Berwick, Scotland - #15Lost to time
North Shore, NY - #9Seth Raynor
Old Macdonald, OR - #12Doak/Urbina
Orchard Lake, MI - #7Charles Alison
Pacific Dunes, OR - #17Tom Doak
Pensacola CC, FL - #7 RJerry Pate
Philadelphia Cricket, PA - #15AW Tillinghast
Piping Rock, NY - #3CB Macdonald
Quogue Field Club, NY - #4Tom Bendelow
Rawls Course, TX - #16Tom Doak
Rivermont, GA - #4Lee/Riley
Riviera CC, CA - #4George Thomas
Rock Spring, NJ - #3Seth Raynor
Sand Valley, WI - #3Coore & Crenshaw
Sandbox, WI - #16Coore & Crenshaw
Shinnecock Hills, NY - #7William Flynn
Shoreacres, IL - #14Seth Raynor
Sleepy Hollow, NY - #7 RCB Macdonald
Somerset CC, MN - #4Seth Raynor
Somerset Hills, NJ - #2AW Tillinghast
Southampton, NY - #7Seth Raynor
St. Andrews Beach, Aust. - #16Tom Doak
St. Louis CC, MO - #16 RCB Macdonald
Stonebridge GL, NY - #4 RGeorge Bahto
Stonewall (North), PA - #17 RTom Doak
Sweetens Cove, TN - #9Rob Collins
Tamarack, Ct - #7Charles Banks
The Knoll (west), NJ - #3George Bahto
Tobacco Road, NC - #3 Mike Strantz
US Naval Academy, MD - #12Flynn/Green
Wanumetonomy, RI - #17Seth Raynor
Wexford, SC - #13Byrd/Palmer
Wine Valley, WA - #14Dan Hixson
Yeamans Hall, SC - #6Seth Raynor
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Tim Martin

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Re: Redan Par 3 Holes - 2020 Catalog
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2020, 04:52:36 PM »
Somerset Hills 2
Tamarack 7
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Brian Finn

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Re: Redan Par 3 Holes - 2020 Catalog
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2020, 05:00:36 PM »
Piping Rock, 3rd hole, CB MacDonald
Black Creek, 7th hole, Brian Silva (reverse)
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Dan_Callahan

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Re: Redan Par 3 Holes - 2020 Catalog
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2020, 05:06:23 PM »
Maybe this is sacrilegious to say, but I don't get why the 13th at Yale is considered a Redan ... other than the fact that it was designed by Raynor and is named "Redan." I've played a bunch of Redan holes over the years — most notably the 15th at North Berwick and the 7th at Shinnecock — and Yale is nothing at all like those. I think the 13th at Yale is a nice hole, but it has none of the playing characteristics of the other redan's I've seen.
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Jeff Schley

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Re: Redan Par 3 Holes - 2020 Catalog
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2020, 05:09:46 PM »
Quote from: Dan_Callahan on October 29, 2020, 05:06:23 PM
Maybe this is sacrilegious to say, but I don't get why the 13th at Yale is considered a Redan ... other than the fact that it was designed by Raynor and is named "Redan." I've played a bunch of Redan holes over the years — most notably the 15th at North Berwick and the 7th at Shinnecock — and Yale is nothing at all like those. I think the 13th at Yale is a nice hole, but it has none of the playing characteristics of the other redan's I've seen.
Dan it was great having you around..... now let Ran show you the door! ;D
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Keith Phillips

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Re: Redan Par 3 Holes - 2020 Catalog
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2020, 05:19:21 PM »
Rock Spring (NJ) #3
Montclair (NJ) #3 of 4
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Tim Gallant

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Re: Redan Par 3 Holes - 2020 Catalog
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2020, 05:33:48 PM »
Quote from: Dan_Callahan on October 29, 2020, 05:06:23 PM
Maybe this is sacrilegious to say, but I don't get why the 13th at Yale is considered a Redan ... other than the fact that it was designed by Raynor and is named "Redan." I've played a bunch of Redan holes over the years — most notably the 15th at North Berwick and the 7th at Shinnecock — and Yale is nothing at all like those. I think the 13th at Yale is a nice hole, but it has none of the playing characteristics of the other redan's I've seen.


I'd agree with this. The layout may be redan-esq, but the severe downhill nature of the hole means it doesn't have the options in a way that some of the other great redans do.
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Michael Felton

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Re: Redan Par 3 Holes - 2020 Catalog
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2020, 06:04:49 PM »
16 at Brookville on LI is a reverse one I think. Westhampton has one at somewhere around 7. 8ish at Knollwood in Westchester I think might be one as well (reverse). I played it in miserable weather and wasn't really paying a lot of attention to my surrounds.
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Ally Mcintosh

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Re: Redan Par 3 Holes - 2020 Catalog
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2020, 06:25:23 PM »
If the 13th at Yale is a Redan, then I expect this list to be about 5,000 holes long.


There have been many, many discussions on the defining characteristics of a Redan. But for me it’s simple:


Angled green where you can reach a back pin position in one of two ways: Fly directly at it over a bunker OR play out wide, land ball short and feed it down on the front to back slope.


Without all of these features, you are describing a hole so common it is not worthy of being given a name.


Yale is fantastic by the way. But a drop-shot Redan just cannot really exist.
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Brian Finn

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Re: Redan Par 3 Holes - 2020 Catalog
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2020, 06:38:05 PM »
Quote from: Ally Mcintosh on October 29, 2020, 06:25:23 PM
But a drop-shot Redan just cannot really exist.
Conceptually, I agree.  It just doesn't work...but, what about the 7th at Sleepy Hollow?  It is a brilliant hole, and it somehow works.  Just a very rare exception, I guess?
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Steve_ Shaffer

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Re: Redan Par 3 Holes - 2020 Catalog
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2020, 06:40:39 PM »
#4 @ Hidden Creek (C&C) 219y from the tips:


#4.  A Redan-inspired par 3 (219 yards).
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Pete_Pittock

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Re: Redan Par 3 Holes - 2020 Catalog
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2020, 06:42:37 PM »
Pensacola CC #7 R Jerry Pate   Reverse redan
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Bill Brightly

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Re: Redan Par 3 Holes - 2020 Catalog
« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2020, 06:45:05 PM »
Architects, Lopatcong NJ, Hole 12, designed by Stephen Kay and Ron Whitten, their tribute to Charles Banks.
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MLevesque

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Re: Redan Par 3 Holes - 2020 Catalog
« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2020, 07:17:44 PM »
Madison CC (CT) #13 Willie Park Jr./Brian Silva
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Tim Martin

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Re: Redan Par 3 Holes - 2020 Catalog
« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2020, 07:33:03 PM »
Wexford Plantation 13 South Carolina
Byrd/Arnold Palmer Design Co.(B. Johnson)





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Pete_Pittock

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Re: Redan Par 3 Holes - 2020 Catalog
« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2020, 07:35:20 PM »
Wine Valley GC #14 Dan Hixson


Does #8 also qualify?
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Tim Martin

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Re: Redan Par 3 Holes - 2020 Catalog
« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2020, 07:43:27 PM »
Morris County 13 Reverse
Seth Raynor NJ
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mike_malone

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Re: Redan Par 3 Holes - 2020 Catalog
« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2020, 07:47:13 PM »
Redan means fortification. Downhill provides no defense. I’m glad to see others agreeing that Yale’s is not a Redan hole.
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Tim Martin

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Re: Redan Par 3 Holes - 2020 Catalog
« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2020, 08:02:15 PM »
North Shore CC 9 
Raynor/Doak NY
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Chris_Blakely

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Re: Redan Par 3 Holes - 2020 Catalog
« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2020, 08:11:22 PM »
8th hole Old White
4th hole Stonebridge GL (Reverse)
3rd hole Rock Spring
4th hole Mount Prospect (reverse)
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Stewart Abramson

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Re: Redan Par 3 Holes - 2020 Catalog
« Reply #20 on: October 29, 2020, 08:36:17 PM »
Stonewall (Old) #17  PA Doak (reverse)
The Knoll (West) #3 NJ  Bahto
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John Crowley

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Re: Redan Par 3 Holes - 2020 Catalog
« Reply #21 on: October 29, 2020, 08:45:56 PM »
Somerset Country Club, St Paul, MN
#4 Seth Raynor
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Tom_Doak

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Re: Redan Par 3 Holes - 2020 Catalog
« Reply #22 on: October 29, 2020, 09:50:03 PM »
I have built several Redan holes but the 17th at CommonGround is NOT one of them.   :D


Mine are/were:


  4th High Pointe*
16th Charlotte Golf Links*
14th Apache Stronghold
17th Pacific Dunes
17th Stonewall (North)
16th St. Andrews Beach  [kind of]
12th Old Macdonald
  8th Simapo Island*
  4th The Loop (Red) [kind of]


* no longer existing
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Adam G

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Re: Redan Par 3 Holes - 2020 Catalog
« Reply #23 on: October 29, 2020, 09:51:35 PM »
9 CC of Fairfield (Raynor)
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Mike Nuzzo

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Re: Redan Par 3 Holes - 2020 Catalog
« Reply #24 on: October 30, 2020, 01:16:50 AM »
Quote from: Tom_Doak on October 29, 2020, 09:50:03 PM
I have built several Redan holes but the 17th at CommonGround is NOT one of them.   :D


Mine are/were:


  4th High Pointe*
16th Charlotte Golf Links*
14th Apache Stronghold
17th Pacific Dunes
17th Stonewall (North)
16th St. Andrews Beach  [kind of]
12th Old Macdonald
  8th Simapo Island*
  4th The Loop (Red) [kind of]


* no longer existing


7th Memorial Park
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