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David_Tepper

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OT - Australian Tour Prime Events Cancelled
« on: October 18, 2020, 10:24:32 AM »
Covid concerns have forced cancellation of the Australian Open, PGA and Women's Open.

https://www.geoffshackelford.com/homepage/2020/10/17/covid-19-australias-premier-events-all-cancelled 

Lou_Duran

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Re: OT - Australian Tour Prime Events Cancelled
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2020, 11:09:39 AM »
I had four rounds scheduled at Royal Melbourne for late March, early April this year but couldn't get in the country.  Despite that "the science" is evolving from "shut it down" to "learn to live with it", foreign travel in 2021 looks iffy.  Boeing and some of the airlines believe that the impact could be lasting, not months but years.  I am more optimistic.

John Kavanaugh

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Re: OT - Australian Tour Prime Events Cancelled
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2020, 11:26:49 AM »
Lou,


Will canceling these tournaments save enough lives to offset the economic losses?

Lou_Duran

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Re: OT - Australian Tour Prime Events Cancelled
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2020, 11:48:11 AM »
Lou,


Will canceling these tournaments save enough lives to offset the economic losses?


If it were that simple the clerisy might consider imposing a 35 mph speed limit on all roads, a moratorium on new road construction, and a requirement that all long haul shipping be carried by rail.  I don't need to tell you the impact this would have on you, your dad, your family, and your many employees.


Of course, I am not smart enough to calculate the number of deaths that are caused by forcing a large number of working people into destitution, social isolation, and long-term hopelessness.  Nor could I determine how many of those deaths being attributed to "allowing" people to go on with their lives would have occurred during a shut-down. 

Tommy Williamsen

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Re: OT - Australian Tour Prime Events Cancelled
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2020, 02:50:05 PM »
Lou,


Will canceling these tournaments save enough lives to offset the economic losses?


I am not sure how to do that calculus. How many lives are too many?
Where there is no love, put love; there you will find love.
St. John of the Cross

"Deep within your soul-space is a magnificent cathedral where you are sweet beyond telling." Rumi

John Kavanaugh

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Re: OT - Australian Tour Prime Events Cancelled
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2020, 04:20:00 PM »
Somewhere more than one 10 year old and less than one 90 year old. I doubt that there is a grandparent alive who wouldn’t risk their future so their legacy can have one.
« Last Edit: October 18, 2020, 04:31:36 PM by John Kavanaugh »

John Kavanaugh

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Re: OT - Australian Tour Prime Events Cancelled
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2020, 04:47:05 PM »
I’m a bit more upset that GEICO is using the image a dead child so I can save 15% on car insurance.

The story of Casper the friendly ghost.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/screenrant.com/casper-friendly-ghosts-sad-facts-backstory-movie/amp/The

Scott Warren

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Re: OT - Australian Tour Prime Events Cancelled
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2020, 05:46:09 PM »
It has to require the perfect combination of ignorance and arrogance for an American to question the Australian response to the Covid pandemic at this point.

John Kavanaugh

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Re: OT - Australian Tour Prime Events Cancelled
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2020, 05:47:46 PM »
Did you win?  I missed the trophy ceremony.

Tommy Williamsen

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Re: OT - Australian Tour Prime Events Cancelled
« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2020, 05:53:29 PM »
Somewhere more than one 10 year old and less than one 90 year old. I doubt that there is a grandparent alive who wouldn’t risk their future so their legacy can have one.


Not sure they are the only options. I doubt there is one grandchild who would agree with that observation.
Where there is no love, put love; there you will find love.
St. John of the Cross

"Deep within your soul-space is a magnificent cathedral where you are sweet beyond telling." Rumi

MKrohn

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Re: OT - Australian Tour Prime Events Cancelled
« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2020, 05:54:23 PM »
Its disappointing these events have been cancelled, my own view is that its by virtue of having the governing bodies located in Victoria which has been in lock down for months. They have opened things up today.


Our main professional winter sports have been continuing, albeit in sanctioned bubbles. Crowds are back, outside of Victoria its "post Covid normal".


We had our first "foreigners" enter Sydney last week, a plane load of NZers, suggest there will be other air bridges as we go however there is no appetite out here (unless I am reading it massively wrongly) to entertain anyone arriving from the US/Sth Am or Europe.

John Kavanaugh

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Re: OT - Australian Tour Prime Events Cancelled
« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2020, 06:05:14 PM »
Somewhere more than one 10 year old and less than one 90 year old. I doubt that there is a grandparent alive who wouldn’t risk their future so their legacy can have one.


Not sure they are the only options. I doubt there is one grandchild who would agree with that observation.


That’s why children look silly in big boy pants.

Mike_Clayton

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Re: OT - Australian Tour Prime Events Cancelled
« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2020, 06:05:51 PM »
One of the main reasons the tournaments were cancelled is the mandatory 2-week quarantine (at your own expense) in a hotel.
Given the Australian PGA is co-sanctioned with the European Tour and The Australian Women's Open with the LPGA there is zero chance any of their players will submit to such inconvenience.
Nor will any of the foreign-based Australians including Adam Scott, Marc Leishman or Karrie Webb.

Scott Warren

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Re: OT - Australian Tour Prime Events Cancelled
« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2020, 06:18:42 PM »
It’s also pretty cheeky of Golf Australia to announce that this year’s Aussie Open is “cancelled”, because even pre-Covid it was never actually organised.


They identified a host course but dates never came. The sooner the Euro Tour properly colonises professional golf in Australia, the better.

MKrohn

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Re: OT - Australian Tour Prime Events Cancelled
« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2020, 06:19:04 PM »
One of the main reasons the tournaments were cancelled is the mandatory 2-week quarantine (at your own expense) in a hotel.
Given the Australian PGA is co-sanctioned with the European Tour and The Australian Women's Open with the LPGA there is zero chance any of their players will submit to such inconvenience.
Nor will any of the foreign-based Australians including Adam Scott, Marc Leishman or Karrie Webb.


Mike, if that's the reason, what do they do they year after if things are largely unchanged?


There was an event in WA last week, why can't we play with who is available, clearly a very reduced tournament/s, get the Euro/LPGA Tour to waive the co sanctioning this year.


Outside of Vic, things are relatively "normal"

jeffwarne

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Re: OT - Australian Tour Prime Events Cancelled
« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2020, 07:20:42 PM »
Did you win?  I missed the trophy ceremony.


as did 225,000 of our countrymen...
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

David_Elvins

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Re: OT - Australian Tour Prime Events Cancelled
« Reply #16 on: October 18, 2020, 07:24:10 PM »
One of the main reasons the tournaments were cancelled is the mandatory 2-week quarantine (at your own expense) in a hotel.

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I suspect the additional logistical expense of this would be an issue also. As would the cost of setting up a bubble that avoids quarantine.


Fair to say that additional costs and projected fall in revenues is what greatly contribute to these tournaments being untenable?  They are not flush with cash like the PGA tour.
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John Kavanaugh

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Re: OT - Australian Tour Prime Events Cancelled
« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2020, 07:43:51 PM »
Did you win?  I missed the trophy ceremony.


as did 225,000 of our countrymen...


This type of answer makes it difficult to move forward. You and I are lucky to be in essential businesses. I went to a casino today and am disgusted at the thought of good people not being allowed to earn a living while the government cherry picks who survives. If a casino can be open any business should be open.


Some small time vendor in Australia will lose their dream and potential long term financial stability because of strength of field concerns. How does that taste?

Chris Kane

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Re: OT - Australian Tour Prime Events Cancelled
« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2020, 08:16:41 PM »
Fair to say that additional costs and projected fall in revenues is what greatly contribute to these tournaments being untenable?  They are not flush with cash like the PGA tour.


I think you're probably right. These tournaments break even at best every year, take out the (substantial) government "sponsorship" and all three would fold immediately. There is almost nothing in common with the PGA Tour.

Mike_Clayton

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Re: OT - Australian Tour Prime Events Cancelled
« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2020, 08:59:54 PM »
One of the main reasons the tournaments were cancelled is the mandatory 2-week quarantine (at your own expense) in a hotel.
Given the Australian PGA is co-sanctioned with the European Tour and The Australian Women's Open with the LPGA there is zero chance any of their players will submit to such inconvenience.
Nor will any of the foreign-based Australians including Adam Scott, Marc Leishman or Karrie Webb.


Mike, if that's the reason, what do they do the year after if things are largely unchanged?


There was an event in WA last week, why can't we play with who is available, clearly a very reduced tournament/s, get the Euro/LPGA Tour to waive the co sanctioning this year.


Outside of Vic, things are relatively "normal"


The Open is different - it's not co-sanctioned. If it's the same situation a year from now, the question will be who might play.
The problem is so many of our best players live in the US and won't quarantine. Not that Day, Baddeley or Leishman come very often anyway.


The PGA could go without Europe but they would face the same questions.


The Women's Open doesn't work without the LPGA, foreign players or American-based Australians.


Which isn't to say we can't be inventive and make alternate events for players at home. An interstate teams event with teams made up of pros, amateurs, men and women, juniors playing matchplay might be fun.




Rob Marshall

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Re: OT - Australian Tour Prime Events Cancelled
« Reply #20 on: October 19, 2020, 11:52:07 AM »
Did you win?  I missed the trophy ceremony.


as did 225,000 of our countrymen...


I would like to know how many of those were in nursing homes. Sending COVID patients into nursing homes has to be one of the more mindboggling decisions ever made. In a bad flu season they don’t let you into visit someone in a nursing home........hopefully we learn something from this. 
If life gives you limes, make margaritas.” Jimmy Buffett

Kalen Braley

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Re: OT - Australian Tour Prime Events Cancelled
« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2020, 12:42:08 PM »
Did you win?  I missed the trophy ceremony.


as did 225,000 of our countrymen...


This type of answer makes it difficult to move forward. You and I are lucky to be in essential businesses. I went to a casino today and am disgusted at the thought of good people not being allowed to earn a living while the government cherry picks who survives. If a casino can be open any business should be open.



Cherry picking like the Republicans being one step away from packing SCOTUS to overturn the ACA and eliminating pre-existing conditions protections in health insurance.  Then you will see the bodies  really stack up that will make Covid look like a walk in the park...

John Kavanaugh

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Re: OT - Australian Tour Prime Events Cancelled
« Reply #22 on: October 19, 2020, 12:52:32 PM »
The only thing I am 100% sure of is that my 90 year old Dad died Sept 8th. It was his decision and his alone to eat bacon every day of his life.

JESII

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Re: OT - Australian Tour Prime Events Cancelled
« Reply #23 on: October 19, 2020, 12:57:44 PM »
Kalen,


Pre-existing conditions added a couple percentage points to the cost of employer sponsored health insurance plans. Nobody is looking to die on that hill by unwinding it.


Finding a way to actually clean out the system to let it work would be great, and will reduce costs by thousands of dollars per year per person. Not sure this administration has any chance of getting that done.


The last administration chose to let the health insurance companies write the law...

Thomas Dai

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Re: OT - Australian Tour Prime Events Cancelled
« Reply #24 on: October 19, 2020, 01:01:45 PM »
Every now and then threads are removed from this discussion board.
Hopefully this thread will be removed soon.
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