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James Brown

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Royal New Kent
« on: August 17, 2019, 10:34:53 PM »
Played it today.  First time in about 10 years.  It just reopened in April of this year after several years of being closed and going fallow.  Totally new grass fairways and greens and they grassed over quite a few extraneous bunkers.  Was in excellent shape and played nicely firm.  Best example I have seen of a good course that has closed and then been brought back from the dead.  Only concern I have is that we played at noon on Saturday and had the course to ourselves, so hope it survives in version 2.0. 


Has anyone else played it since it re-opened? 

Jonathan Mallard

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Re: Royal New Kent
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2019, 10:55:45 AM »
I played it a few weeks ago. It was a hot Sunday afternoon. There was some sort of junior outing that seemed fairly well attended, so I'm hopeful for its future, but as you note, we shall see.


The major change that I saw was the switch to Champions Bermuda for the greens. Or whatever it is.


Overall, I was a bit disappointed in the results of the renovation.


Some of my points:


  • There was not an effort to reclaim the original design intent of some of the greens. Particularly on the front of 8 and the back left of 12
  • The presentation of the creek on 7, 8, and 9 I found lacking. It was allowed to grow up when I saw it. The banks had always been closely mown (or rather weed-eaten to the rocks)
  • There were other opportunities to fix problems that were missed. Specifically the fairway drainage structures on 16.
  • I also noted the lack of water on the course for a very hot day.
With that said, I still like the course very much. As James noted, when I've looked, there seem to have been plenty of tee times available.


I had signed up to play in the Dixie Cup, but Mike pulled the plug on that for this year. I get why.

Tom Bacsanyi

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Re: Royal New Kent
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2019, 11:32:29 PM »
I played it a few weeks ago. It was a hot Sunday afternoon. There was some sort of junior outing that seemed fairly well attended, so I'm hopeful for its future, but as you note, we shall see.


The major change that I saw was the switch to Champions Bermuda for the greens. Or whatever it is.


Overall, I was a bit disappointed in the results of the renovation.


Some of my points:


  • There was not an effort to reclaim the original design intent of some of the greens. Particularly on the front of 8 and the back left of 12
  • The presentation of the creek on 7, 8, and 9 I found lacking. It was allowed to grow up when I saw it. The banks had always been closely mown (or rather weed-eaten to the rocks)
  • There were other opportunities to fix problems that were missed. Specifically the fairway drainage structures on 16.
  • I also noted the lack of water on the course for a very hot day.
With that said, I still like the course very much. As James noted, when I've looked, there seem to have been plenty of tee times available.


I had signed up to play in the Dixie Cup, but Mike pulled the plug on that for this year. I get why.


So a course gets brought back from the dead, literally a heroic effort, and you choose to critique the creek bank presentation? 
Don't play too much golf. Two rounds a day are plenty.

--Harry Vardon

Joe Schackman

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Re: Royal New Kent
« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2019, 09:18:49 AM »
I'm playing it on Friday afternoon with a buddy. I played there in High School but have very little recollection of it. So looking forward to getting out there. Will report back!

Joe Bausch

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Re: Royal New Kent
« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2019, 09:42:08 AM »
I'm playing it on Friday afternoon with a buddy. I played there in High School but have very little recollection of it. So looking forward to getting out there. Will report back!

Here is my photo album of RNK from back in 2007:

http://www80.homepage.villanova.edu/joseph.bausch/images/albums/RoyalNewKent/index.html
@jwbausch (for new photo albums)
The site for the Cobb's Creek project:  https://cobbscreek.org/
Nearly all Delaware Valley golf courses in photo albums: Bausch Collection

JESII

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Re: Royal New Kent
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2019, 02:57:50 PM »
I love Royal New Kent and wish them all the luck in the world.


Played there 20ish times in the early 2000’s then just again a month or so ago...


Resurrected from the dead is right, and the greens were fantastic.

Brad Tufts

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Re: Royal New Kent
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2019, 10:55:51 AM »
Played here recently, and here's my report:


This one was a bit of a milestone for me, as pictures of the wild RNK piqued my early interest in golf architecture back in my early to mid teens.


The course was great!  It played firm, with smooth, fast greens.  Playing the third tee down is rare for me (usually a back or second-tee player), but 6733y was plenty.  With firm conditions, the theme of linksy/dunescape golf fits very well despite its location.


I didn't notice any obvious non-restored play areas, the creek presentation was just fine, and there was plenty of water on the carts...mine had four bottles, for no additional charge, with more bottles available at the turn.


Quick hole reactions:


1. Wow, Strantz!  Shades of Tobacco Rd first hole, but very forgiving off the tee.  Not so much on the second shot, a slight miss will end up far from the green.
2.  Unbelievable scaling...on the second shot, everything looks further than it is.  The layup is not the easiest shot either.
3.  So much tee variety, then you get to the enormous green with 25+ pin locations...redan-esque at the back half.
4.  Blindness for the sake of blindness is not my favorite, but the hole would be dull otherwise.  You can play well left of where it looks.
5.  Great view from the tee, but I'm not sure if I love the how the fairway ends into the three bunkers.  The hole was downwind and probably needed a 3-wood from the tee.  The greensite is pretty too, another hole that has a sandhills feel.
6.  Wild green!  I had a back pin location that was on a tiny shelf.  Would love to attack that with a short iron, but I found a fairway bunker off the tee, thus making it very hard.
7.  The best-looking par three at RNK, and it has a fun green.  I was on the front to a middle pin, and the closest i could putt in several tries was about 10'.  Part of me wished it was possible to pull off the putt (and it looked much more possible from the elevated back section to the middle)...but I missed the central bowl so it wasn't a good tee ball.
8.  Similar to #1 off the tee, but with a partially-blind second shot.  A very cool hole, would be murder on high-cappers.
9.  I wasn't a huge fan of this hole, despite good strategy...play left and you are blind to the flag with plenty of runway, or play along the creek and see the flag but have an all-carry approach.  Was there originally fairway right of the creek?..That could change things.


10.  Great second shot on this risk-reward par five that rewards playing along the tight line of charm.
11.  Wow on this sweeping green with only a few pin placements despite enormous width.  Right side pin locations would be very tough.
12.  Not sure this green is cool or nuts, but it would've been much more difficult to a back pin with a long iron.  The pin was very front for me, an area which is crowned. 
13.  Pretty boring and enormously wide...not much advantage for hitting toward the green from the tee.
14.  Really neat greensite surrounded by pine bushes that look like gorse.  I liked the berm at the front of the green.
15.  Do or die par three, come up short and you'll be 30' below the green.  Once on the green, it's the flattest at RNK.
16.  Longest par four, but one can cut the corner to earn a short-iron approach.
17.  Another hole like #10 where there is SO much room, but the line is very tight if you want to try for the green in two shots.  A bit of an awkward greensite.
18.  A benign tee shot, but a very challenging second shot over water to a shallow green.  It doesn't fit very well, as the course has no other pond in play, and could be improved by filling the ditch behind the green.  A bit of a blah finish.


Overall, I loved it.  As much as I want to say in top shape that it would have a chance to be T100 public, we have too many great courses in the US.  Easy T50 affordable ($65ish)...maybe 100-150 range for publics in the country.  RNK gets so many things right that other more pedigreed courses on that list do not, especially the firmness and the smooth greens.


I played on a Thursday afternoon and the place was near-deserted...same trip, Golden Horseshoe was crowded on Monday afternoon.  Let's hope word travels and the place earns the popularity it deserves!

So I jump ship in Hong Kong....

Erik J. Barzeski

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Re: Royal New Kent
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2020, 02:15:36 PM »
I'm looking forward to playing this course on November 1. We're setting up a little event/get-together with some other TST members and such. We have a few open spots if anyone is interested.

Also, playing Bedford Springs the day before. We booked the tee time after ours (for now) in case we get a few more people to overflow into that one, too.
Erik J. Barzeski @iacas
Author, Lowest Score Wins, Instructor/Coach, and Lifetime Student of the Game.

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