News:

Welcome to the Golf Club Atlas Discussion Group!

Each user is approved by the Golf Club Atlas editorial staff. For any new inquiries, please contact us.


Rob Marshall

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Don’t bother to call a doctor, call a lawyer instead.
« Reply #75 on: September 17, 2020, 10:31:15 PM »
I’ve been playing golf for over 45 years. Not once have I every seen anyone run when someone yells “fore”. If your shot is anywhere near anyone you should be yelling “fore”.
If life gives you limes, make margaritas.” Jimmy Buffett

Sean_A

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Don’t bother to call a doctor, call a lawyer instead.
« Reply #76 on: September 18, 2020, 02:05:30 AM »
I’ve been playing golf for over 45 years. Not once have I every seen anyone run when someone yells “fore”. If your shot is anywhere near anyone you should be yelling “fore”.

I have certainly moved from shots heading my direction before fore was even yelled. That's a benefit of watching players around the course. 👀

Ciao
New plays planned for 2024: Nothing

Tim Martin

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Don’t bother to call a doctor, call a lawyer instead.
« Reply #77 on: September 18, 2020, 06:01:10 AM »
I’ve been playing golf for over 45 years. Not once have I every seen anyone run when someone yells “fore”. If your shot is anywhere near anyone you should be yelling “fore”.


If I hear “fore” I duck and cover. I don’t recall ever seeing anyone run either.

Erik J. Barzeski

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Don’t bother to call a doctor, call a lawyer instead.
« Reply #78 on: September 18, 2020, 08:58:17 AM »
People will run behind trees or buildings, run a few steps to duck behind their cart, whatever. If you've never seen it happen, you've not been paying attention. My wife and I have run behind a tree trunk several times this year when players in my daughter's group have yelled "fore." Often we've begun to do so before they yelled as we saw the ball headed our way, too.

Again, I generally duck and cover, but if I'm three steps from a building, odds are I'm running behind that building.

And none of you yell "fore" if your ball is going to land 100 yards away from anyone. Nor 75 yards. Until someone clearly defines "near" or something, everyone's picturing different scenarios and distances.
Erik J. Barzeski @iacas
Author, Lowest Score Wins, Instructor/Coach, and Lifetime Student of the Game.

I generally ignore Rob, Tim, Garland, and Chris.

Tim Martin

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Don’t bother to call a doctor, call a lawyer instead.
« Reply #79 on: September 18, 2020, 09:25:17 AM »

And none of you yell "fore" if your ball is going to land 100 yards away from anyone. Nor 75 yards. Until someone clearly defines "near" or something, everyone's picturing different scenarios and distances.


I can’t imagine the down side of yelling “fore”. I don’t think the scenario of you and wife walking around as spectators is what we are talking about here. The discussion is focused on players out on the course in other groups.

Jeff_Brauer

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Don’t bother to call a doctor, call a lawyer instead.
« Reply #80 on: September 18, 2020, 09:56:25 AM »
Spectators?  Statistically, this is not a tournament golf problem at almost any level.  Nor is it an equipment issue, as if the long hitters are statistically the wild ones.  This is every day golf, on older, (generally) tighter spaced courses where C and D players (mostly) who hit it 170-225 (mostly) hit a wild shot that finds the next fw, or beyond, LOL.


I was surprised to learn recently, reviewing some of the ball flight studies by Gene Parent, where he ran a ball test at 95 mph (amateur player) and 110 mph (PGA Speed) with a driver. They both averaged 60 mph of descent ball velocity.  i.e., getting hit by C/D golfers hurts just as much as getting hit by Tiger Woods.  The combination of atmosphere, ball weight and gravity cause all aerial shots (a stinger would be much different) to descend at similar rates as they run out of energy.  A Tiger shot has more energy when it leaves the club, but falls when it runs out of forward energy, i.e. gravity takes over.


The best ways to provide safety start with adequate fw spacing and no cluster areas in oft found areas from other holes, then vertical barriers (ugly nets better, but most opt for trees) in higher risk areas.  Yelling fore is a last resort mitigation option because few golf courses have enough acreage (i.e. Sand Hills) to provide the first option - more than adequate hole spacing.
Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach

Rob Marshall

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Don’t bother to call a doctor, call a lawyer instead.
« Reply #81 on: September 18, 2020, 12:02:16 PM »

And none of you yell "fore" if your ball is going to land 100 yards away from anyone. Nor 75 yards. Until someone clearly defines "near" or something, everyone's picturing different scenarios and distances.


I can’t imagine the down side of yelling “fore”. I don’t think the scenario of you and wife walking around as spectators is what we are talking about here. The discussion is focused on players out on the course in other groups.


There can’t be a downside. Better safe than Sorry.
If life gives you limes, make margaritas.” Jimmy Buffett

Erik J. Barzeski

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Don’t bother to call a doctor, call a lawyer instead.
« Reply #82 on: September 18, 2020, 12:33:36 PM »
I was surprised to learn recently, reviewing some of the ball flight studies by Gene Parent, where he ran a ball test at 95 mph (amateur player) and 110 mph (PGA Speed) with a driver. They both averaged 60 mph of descent ball velocity.  i.e., getting hit by C/D golfers hurts just as much as getting hit by Tiger Woods.  The combination of atmosphere, ball weight and gravity cause all aerial shots (a stinger would be much different) to descend at similar rates as they run out of energy.  A Tiger shot has more energy when it leaves the club, but falls when it runs out of forward energy, i.e. gravity takes over.
A ball falling from 100 feet in the air is going to have a much higher velocity than one falling from 50 feet in the air. Except for the occasional bladed shot that isn't really getting its speed from the "falling."

There can’t be a downside. Better safe than Sorry.
Except when there is. Again, if you've never seen anyone move to another spot when they hear "fore" then I don't believe you. If a ball isn't going to hit someone, and is going to miss them by x yards, what's the upside in yelling fore? There is none. The downside is that they may move into the area where the ball is going to land.

How far away does a ball have to land from people before y'all don't yell "fore"? Again, everyone's just talking past each other with different pictures of what "x" is.
Erik J. Barzeski @iacas
Author, Lowest Score Wins, Instructor/Coach, and Lifetime Student of the Game.

I generally ignore Rob, Tim, Garland, and Chris.

Jeff Schley

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Don’t bother to call a doctor, call a lawyer instead.
« Reply #83 on: September 18, 2020, 12:58:42 PM »
I was surprised to learn recently, reviewing some of the ball flight studies by Gene Parent, where he ran a ball test at 95 mph (amateur player) and 110 mph (PGA Speed) with a driver. They both averaged 60 mph of descent ball velocity.  i.e., getting hit by C/D golfers hurts just as much as getting hit by Tiger Woods.  The combination of atmosphere, ball weight and gravity cause all aerial shots (a stinger would be much different) to descend at similar rates as they run out of energy.  A Tiger shot has more energy when it leaves the club, but falls when it runs out of forward energy, i.e. gravity takes over.
A ball falling from 100 feet in the air is going to have a much higher velocity than one falling from 50 feet in the air. Except for the occasional bladed shot that isn't really getting its speed from the "falling."

There can’t be a downside. Better safe than Sorry.
Except when there is. Again, if you've never seen anyone move to another spot when they hear "fore" then I don't believe you. If a ball isn't going to hit someone, and is going to miss them by x yards, what's the upside in yelling fore? There is none. The downside is that they may move into the area where the ball is going to land.

How far away does a ball have to land from people before y'all don't yell "fore"? Again, everyone's just talking past each other with different pictures of what "x" is.
Don't you think it interesting and good data that thus far no one has seen people run when someone yells fore? Perhaps your anecdotal observations (not sure how many times) aren't as common as you think? Why would anyone lie about this to begin with? ??? ???
You now say if it is anywhere close to people you yell fore, GREAT so does everyone else. I don't know what scenarios you are referencing now.
"To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice your gifts."
- Steve Prefontaine

Rob Marshall

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Don’t bother to call a doctor, call a lawyer instead.
« Reply #84 on: September 18, 2020, 01:01:26 PM »
I was surprised to learn recently, reviewing some of the ball flight studies by Gene Parent, where he ran a ball test at 95 mph (amateur player) and 110 mph (PGA Speed) with a driver. They both averaged 60 mph of descent ball velocity.  i.e., getting hit by C/D golfers hurts just as much as getting hit by Tiger Woods.  The combination of atmosphere, ball weight and gravity cause all aerial shots (a stinger would be much different) to descend at similar rates as they run out of energy.  A Tiger shot has more energy when it leaves the club, but falls when it runs out of forward energy, i.e. gravity takes over.
A ball falling from 100 feet in the air is going to have a much higher velocity than one falling from 50 feet in the air. Except for the occasional bladed shot that isn't really getting its speed from the "falling."

There can’t be a downside. Better safe than Sorry.
Except when there is. Again, if you've never seen anyone move to another spot when they hear "fore" then I don't believe you. If a ball isn't going to hit someone, and is going to miss them by x yards, what's the upside in yelling fore? There is none. The downside is that they may move into the area where the ball is going to land.

How far away does a ball have to land from people before y'all don't yell "fore"? Again, everyone's just talking past each other with different pictures of what "x" is.


I don't recall every seeing anyone run when someone yelled fore. I could care less if you believe me. I haven't believed a thing you've said since the Physics degree...........
If life gives you limes, make margaritas.” Jimmy Buffett

Erik J. Barzeski

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Don’t bother to call a doctor, call a lawyer instead.
« Reply #85 on: September 18, 2020, 01:03:55 PM »
Don't you think it interesting and good data that thus far no one has seen people run when someone yells fore? Perhaps your anecdotal observations (not sure how many times) aren't as common as you think? Why would anyone lie about this to begin with? ??? ??? 
No, because again, I don't believe I'm the only person here to have ever seen anyone run. I've seen plenty of people run. Most seem to think they can get behind things. With my college kids, I'll run because of the rules we've established for when they yell "fore."

People run to try to get behind their cart, a tree, a building… I've seen women (my wife) run to get behind their husband (me).

You now say if it is anywhere close to people you yell fore, GREAT so does everyone else. I don't know what scenarios you are referencing now.
I've never changed what I've said there. I've only said I don't yell "fore" if I KNOW it won't hit anyone, because if I do, it raises the odds they'll be hit from 0% to some non-zero number.
Erik J. Barzeski @iacas
Author, Lowest Score Wins, Instructor/Coach, and Lifetime Student of the Game.

I generally ignore Rob, Tim, Garland, and Chris.

Tim Martin

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Don’t bother to call a doctor, call a lawyer instead.
« Reply #86 on: September 18, 2020, 01:06:48 PM »
I was surprised to learn recently, reviewing some of the ball flight studies by Gene Parent, where he ran a ball test at 95 mph (amateur player) and 110 mph (PGA Speed) with a driver. They both averaged 60 mph of descent ball velocity.  i.e., getting hit by C/D golfers hurts just as much as getting hit by Tiger Woods.  The combination of atmosphere, ball weight and gravity cause all aerial shots (a stinger would be much different) to descend at similar rates as they run out of energy.  A Tiger shot has more energy when it leaves the club, but falls when it runs out of forward energy, i.e. gravity takes over.
A ball falling from 100 feet in the air is going to have a much higher velocity than one falling from 50 feet in the air. Except for the occasional bladed shot that isn't really getting its speed from the "falling."

There can’t be a downside. Better safe than Sorry.
Except when there is. Again, if you've never seen anyone move to another spot when they hear "fore" then I don't believe you. If a ball isn't going to hit someone, and is going to miss them by x yards, what's the upside in yelling fore? There is none. The downside is that they may move into the area where the ball is going to land.

How far away does a ball have to land from people before y'all don't yell "fore"? Again, everyone's just talking past each other with different pictures of what "x" is.
Don't you think it interesting and good data that thus far no one has seen people run when someone yells fore? Perhaps your anecdotal observations (not sure how many times) aren't as common as you think? Why would anyone lie about this to begin with? ??? ???
You now say if it is anywhere close to people you yell fore, GREAT so does everyone else. I don't know what scenarios you are referencing now.


Jeff-You have to remember that you’re trying to debate someone that could start an argument in an empty room. Good luck! ;)

Erik J. Barzeski

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Don’t bother to call a doctor, call a lawyer instead.
« Reply #87 on: September 18, 2020, 01:18:01 PM »
Jeff-You have to remember that you’re trying to debate someone that could start an argument in an empty room. Good luck! ;)
Thanks for that contribution in furthering the discussion.

I have a few questions for you, Tim.
  • Do you yell "fore" if you KNOW the ball is not going to hit someone?
  • How big is your "x"?
  • And, to the actual topic (as I understand things), do you think trees generally make a golf course "safer" or "less safe"?
My answers:
  • I do not.
  • Mine is somewhere around 20-25 yards in the open, but that might grow in windy conditions. In trees or around other objects that might deflect the ball, it definitely grows.
  • Safer. They slow down balls. People will need to yell "fore" more often on courses with trees, as they'll "know" less often if a ball might have a chance of hitting someone, but trees deflect and/or slow down balls.
Erik J. Barzeski @iacas
Author, Lowest Score Wins, Instructor/Coach, and Lifetime Student of the Game.

I generally ignore Rob, Tim, Garland, and Chris.

Tim Martin

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Don’t bother to call a doctor, call a lawyer instead.
« Reply #88 on: September 18, 2020, 01:33:05 PM »
Jeff-You have to remember that you’re trying to debate someone that could start an argument in an empty room. Good luck! ;)
Thanks for that contribution in furthering the discussion.

I have a few questions for you, Tim.
  • Do you yell "fore" if you KNOW the ball is not going to hit someone?
  • How big is your "x"?
  • And, to the actual topic (as I understand things), do you think trees generally make a golf course "safer" or "less safe"?
My answers:
  • I do not.
  • Mine is somewhere around 20-25 yards in the open, but that might grow in windy conditions. In trees or around other objects that might deflect the ball, it definitely grows.
  • Safer. They slow down balls. People will need to yell "fore" more often on courses with trees, as they'll "know" less often if a ball might have a chance of hitting someone, but trees deflect and/or slow down balls.


Erik-Again I duck and cover if I hear “fore”. I yell “fore” if I think there is a chance I will hit someone. I don’t need any manifesto, statistical and/or any anecdotal trials to bear that out as it seems that most that have posted on this thread agree.
« Last Edit: September 18, 2020, 01:35:49 PM by Tim Martin »

Thomas Dai

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Don’t bother to call a doctor, call a lawyer instead.
« Reply #89 on: September 18, 2020, 02:02:24 PM »
Out of interest, do we all shout “fore” every time our ball is heading over some trees on the basis that there might be someone on the far side of the trees? Just curious.
Atb

Tags:
Tags:

An Error Has Occurred!

Call to undefined function theme_linktree()
Back