[Tim_Cronin]

The USGA already has an office in Pinehurst, but it's not hard to read between the lines of this story reported by WRAL-TV Raleigh to see that only the USGA fits the profile of the organization described.


Summary: North Carolina legislature is working on a bill that would hand $18 million to a sports operation to move to the state. The sponsor's district includes Pinehurst. A test center, and a museum and library would be part of the facility. Holding big time sports competitions would be part of the deal.


The bill passed the NC senate Wednesday and is being considered by the NC house today.


Hmm. Would New Jersey counteroffer to keep the USGA?


https://www.wral.com/lawmakers-back-incentives-to-bring-sports-championship-employer-to-nc/19267486/

[Jeff Schley]

Tim good catch.  What caught my attention was:
Holds at least one "men's major professional championship event" every five to seven years and at least one "women's major professional championship event" every 10 years, plus 13 additional championship events.
So this is as close to formulating a rotation for the US Open we have seen. Pebble gets it every 10 years as well. So Pinehurst will get the US Open more than any other venue by this, unless they slip a US Am. in there I suppose.

[Tim_Cronin]

Tim good catch.  What caught my attention was:
Holds at least one "men's major professional championship event" every five to seven years and at least one "women's major professional championship event" every 10 years, plus 13 additional championship events.
So this is as close to formulating a rotation for the US Open we have seen. Pebble gets it every 10 years as well. So Pinehurst will get the US Open more than any other venue by this, unless they slip a US Am. in there I suppose.

Exactly. I'm thinking the 13 additional is one of everything else on the USGA calendar.

[Brian Ross]

Official now. The USGA will open a second headquarters in Pinehurst.

https://www.thepilot.com/news/usga-picks-pinehurst-for-hq/article_9d65f182-f218-11ea-954b-f7e53e8eae9d.html

[Thomas Dai]

Guess where the US Open is going to be held in 2029, 2035, 2041 and 2047 plus the already announced 2024?
An ‘anchor site’ location apparently.
Let the scramble for other venues commence.
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[Matt Wharton]

Here's the link to a summary of this morning's announcement to the press.


https://www.pinehurst.com/news/usga-announces-plans-for-golf-house-pinehurst-test-center-and-five-u-s-open-championships-at-pinehurst/

[John Blain]

Guess where the US Open is going to be held in 2029, 2035, 2041 and 2047 plus the already announced 2024?
An ‘anchor site’ location apparently.
Let the scramble for other venues commence.
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I believe Oakmont and Pebble Beach will also be unofficial anchor sites and it would be hard to believe Shinnecock is not on that list as well. This is bad news for all those clubs that were hoping to land a US Open after years of not hosting one. Clubs like Inverness, Oak Hill and even Oakland Hills. It will be interesting to see how it all unfolds.

[Jim Sherma]

If this results in 5-10 courses that are set up to host the event and locks out the rest of the courses for the foreseeable future I wonder how that impacts the restoration movement:

Does the type of restoration change if the prospect of a major becomes very remote?

    No push for a set of championship tees at 7500+
    More acceptance of maintaining width if par does not have to be defended

Less major renovations in general:
     With little prospect of a major do memberships find it harder to justify the expense

[Jeff Schley]

If this results in 5-10 courses that are set up to host the event and locks out the rest of the courses for the foreseeable future I wonder how that impacts the restoration movement:

Does the type of restoration change if the prospect of a major becomes very remote?

    No push for a set of championship tees at 7500+
    More acceptance of maintaining width if par does not have to be defended

Less major renovations in general:
     With little prospect of a major do memberships find it harder to justify the expense

Jim I think the same and was just thinking why spend the cash if you know you aren't going to host a US Open, when a May PGA Championship is in May and a stretch for many courses to host condition wise in the north.
I don't like the announcement of hosting 27 years in advance, I'm sure Pinehurst and government officials said we want that in writing before giving you, "The plan, conceived over the last several years, came to fruition through a comprehensive economic development effort that involved representatives from the North Carolina General Assembly, Moore County, the Village of Pinehurst and economic development experts."
This equates to huge tax breaks as "economic development".

[Tommy Williamsen]

https://www.globalgolfpost.com/featured/usga-announces-golf-house-pinehurst/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=READ%20NOW&utm_campaign=090920Pinehurst

[Tom_Doak]

I believe Oakmont and Pebble Beach will also be unofficial anchor sites and it would be hard to believe Shinnecock is not on that list as well. This is bad news for all those clubs that were hoping to land a US Open after years of not hosting one. Clubs like Inverness, Oak Hill and even Oakland Hills. It will be interesting to see how it all unfolds.

I would be surprised if the members of Shinnecock Hills (or some other private clubs) wanted to sign up for a US Open once every six years.  That's a lot of disruption to member play, especially at a club like Shinnecock with a short season.


I'd guess they'll angle for once every twelve years - maybe taking turns with Winged Foot or another northeastern venue.

[Jeff Schley]

So guessing on a once per every 12 years rotation with pinehurst a special every 6. I don't think LACC will want to be in this rotation as it took an act of God for them to finally host again. Also dump Torrey Pines. Possible scenario

• year 1 - Pinehurst
• year 2 - Shinnecock
• year 3 - Pebble Beach
• year 4 - Oakmont
• year 5 - Oakland Hillsyear 6 - Merion
• year 7 - Pinehurst
• year 8 - Winged Foot
• year 9 - Pebble Beach
• year 10 - Olympia Fields
• year 11 - Oakmont
• year 12 - ? maybe a new course to add

I think Pinehurst, Pebble Beach, and Oakmont are the three every six years and then like the Shinnecock/Winged Foot once every 12 each. Throw in a midwest course every 6 years as well.

[Adam G]

I hope LACC and TCC are in with Oakland Hills and Merion as once every two rotations. Hopefuly Pinehurst, Shinnecock, Pebble, Oakmont, and winged foot every rotation. That would be 5 courses twice every 14 years and 4 courses once every 14 years.

[jeffwarne]

I believe Oakmont and Pebble Beach will also be unofficial anchor sites and it would be hard to believe Shinnecock is not on that list as well. This is bad news for all those clubs that were hoping to land a US Open after years of not hosting one. Clubs like Inverness, Oak Hill and even Oakland Hills. It will be interesting to see how it all unfolds.

I would be surprised if the members of Shinnecock Hills (or some other private clubs) wanted to sign up for a US Open once every six years.  That's a lot of disruption to member play, especially at a club like Shinnecock with a short season.


I'd guess they'll angle for once every twelve years - maybe taking turns with Winged Foot or another northeastern venue.

Given the agronomy labotomy the USGA insists on...
I'd say Shinnecock would be be in a cycle of not considering another Open until a new set of members take over the decision making process-.................so 12-14 years sounds about right

[Ira Fishman]

How does the concept of a regular rotation affect Mike Davis’s commitment to hosting the US Open at public venues? Do PH2 and PB check that box so that the USGA does not have to repeat the Chambers Bay and Erin Hills “experiments”? I think that the idea of bringing our National Championship to public courses is a good one.


Ira

[Kevin Neary]

Inadvertent end to the USGA green specification? If you're not in the rota, you're done for, so why invest in USGA greens? Just my two cents in a dollar environment...

[Matt Wharton]

I will be surprised if Inverness doesn't get a future U.S. Open. 

[Brock Lynch]

Which course will be the next to announce its position in the rota?

[Mike_Trenham]

I read that the offices/museum will be built on land occupied by tennis courts at the resort.  Where will the testing facility be located?

[John Emerson]

Inadvertent end to the USGA green specification? If you're not in the rota, you're done for, so why invest in USGA greens? Just my two cents in a dollar environment...

The agronomic arm of the usga is science and research based and doesn’t care if you will host tournaments or not.  They don’t care if you’re shinnecock or a muni.  Recommendations are made for the betterment of growing grass not hosting a us open. 
With that said, Usga spec greens definitely have pros and cons.

[Matt MacIver]

USGA trying to be more inclusive (public venues) and across all time zones.  So don’t leave out Bethpage, Torrey, Erin Hills, Chambers. 

[Tom_Doak]

USGA trying to be more inclusive (public venues) and across all time zones.  So don’t leave out Bethpage, Torrey, Erin Hills, Chambers.

Unless they have abandoned that and gone corporate, which does seem to be the way of the world.  They didn't get the love they wanted for Chambers Bay and Erin Hills, and I'm not sure Mike Davis wants to stick his neck out for those again, especially now that he is the CEO.


Everyone agrees they'd like to have another venue out west for prime time TV $$$.  Not sure the middle two time zones elicit as much caring.

[Pete_Pittock]

From the prime time TV perspective a west coast venue certainly benefits the east coast viewer. Not much in the mountain time zone and central is only an hour different.  I can forsee with better agronomy that Chambers Bay may gett one chance to prove itself

[John Emerson]

From the prime time TV perspective a west coast venue certainly benefits the east coast viewer. Not much in the mountain time zone and central is only an hour different.  I can forsee with better agronomy that Chambers Bay may gett one chance to prove itself

Peter,
What are you referring to when you say “better agronomy”?

[Pete_Pittock]

In relation to what they had at the end of their Open.  What they have done since then should give them a second go-round with new greens and grasses.

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