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Kevin Markham

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The Island Golf Club - Martin Ebert Upgrades
« on: August 21, 2020, 01:52:28 PM »
Many of you on here will have played The Island Golf Club, north of Dublin City. Over the past 6-8 months the course has been ‘upgraded’ by Martin Ebert. The front nine has been reconfigured as the club seeks to have a front nine that matches the reputation of the back nine… and removed the problem of the entrance road and the lone house on the right as you drive in, which were at risk from the 8th tee shot.

I visited last week and took some photographs of the new work – before playing those first nine holes.
The key changes are as follows (measurements from white tees):

Hole 3
Measurement 462 metres.
The 3rd hole has been extended to a par five with a tee box moved back 67 metres and two fairway bunkers added, one left, one right. They are prominent from the tee and add more depth to the hole. There were no bunkers previously.

Hole 4
Measurement 143 metres.
The 4th hole (which heads north, in a similar direction to the 3rd) is the par three created by Martin Hawtree a few years ago and now revamped by Ebert. A new back tee offers some stunning views to Lambay Island, Ireland’s Eye and Howth, as well as over holes 2 and 5.

It is a challenging short hole with a small green and short, tight run-offs. Ebert implied in an interview I had with him that the original green surrounds were considered too tough so they were ‘improved’ to make the hole easier. If that’s the case then it was seriously difficult before because if you miss the putting surface on any side you will now be left with a shot that requires real creativity to a shapely green. It’s a fabulous hole that is equal to the par three 13th and 16th with the added bonus of views. It may well become The Island’s stand out hole, although that honour goes to the 15th in my book.

Hole 5
Measurement 391 metres.
The par four 5th (old 4th) now doglegs from left to right, not right to left as before. With a new green on the site of the old practice green, near the clubhouse, it has added 35 metres from the white tees.

It is a tough driving hole unless you fade the ball. A tall and solid dune fills the outside of the elbow and it is easy to go long and into the rough. From there your view of the green is blocked. Try to cut off too much of the corner and it is a similar result. The old green was tough to hold and the new version is no easier, with steep run-offs especially over the back. I like the hole less than the original version… but then I draw the ball so the old shape suited me perfectly. It is not as attractive as the old hole, certainly from the tee and while longer its Index has changed from 6 to 8.

Hole 7
The old 6th has upgraded fairway bunkering, favouring the ‘torn’ appearance.

Hole 8
Measurement 389 metres.
The 8th is a new par four on the terrain previously occupied by the old 7th. The teeing grounds are in the same location but this hole is much straighter, with the new green further to the right of the old green. The new green complex is where the buckthorn used to be. It is 21 metres shorter than the old Index 4 7th but is now Index 2.

You drive between a corridor of dunes (as on the 9th) with a couple of bunkers on the left of the landing zone. It is a good driving hole (favour the left) and, alongside the 9th, it promises a battling finish. It also possesses a lovely green complex with sharp fall-offs and a bank at the rear that can be used as a backstop. It’s the strongest of the changes for me but I am still sorry to see the old 7th go as it employed the best use of the natural terrain, with a ridge running into the green from 30 yards out. It was quirky and difficult to play. That said, the attractive new green complex presents opportunities for some intelligent links shots. It is no easy approach shot on a long hole.

Hole 9
Measurement 374 metres.
The 9th is a long, straight and tough par four back to the clubhouse. A large sand waste area fronts the tee with a dune nudging in from the right to hide some of the fairway.

Everything about the 9th hole is new and when you stand on the tee you are practically on the old 7th green. You drive over a large sandy waste area (a few of which have been introduced on the front nine), through a corridor of dunes and into the teeth of the prevailing wind (SW). The green is simpler than most but it is nestled tightly into surrounding cordon of dunes. A nasty, rough strewn hollow waits just to the front left of the green, along with a hidden sand waste area.


Additional Comments:

The hole order no longer starts with eight par fours followed by a par three. It is now: 4, 4, 5, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4. I loved the previous start of eight par fours. It showed how different par fours could be with constant changes in direction and different terrains. But a member tells me it was very tough to play, week in, week out, and the new order does mix things up.

Rippling fairways have been added to holes 5, 8 and 9. They are attractive and give a strong links feel but, I would argue, they don’t reflect the smoother fairways of elsewhere.

The par has changed from 35 to 36 and the length has increased from 2996 metres to 3164 metres for the white tees. The back tee measurements have not yet been assessed by the GUI.

To be honest, it's hard to react positively to changes when you loved what was there before. It will take me time to get used to them but I hope the above comments and photographs explain the changes… and whet the appetite for when you next play here.
« Last Edit: August 22, 2020, 03:31:59 AM by Kevin Markham »

Alex Miller

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Re: The Island Golf Club - Martin Ebert Upgrades
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2020, 01:57:08 PM »

Many of you on here will have played The Island Golf Club, north of Dublin City. Over the past 6-8 months the course has been ‘upgraded’ by Martin Ebert. The front nine has been reconfigured as the club seeks to have a front nine that matches the reputation of the back nine… and removed the problem of the entrance road and the lone house on the right as you drive in, which were at risk from the 8th tee shot.

I visited last week and took some photographs of the new work – before playing those first nine holes.

The key changes are as follows (measurements from white tees):

Hole 3
Measurement 462 metres.The 3rd hole has been extended to a par five with a tee box moved back 67 metres and two fairway bunkers added, one left, one right. They are prominent from the tee and add more depth to the hole. There were no bunkers previously.


Hole 4
Measurement 143 metres.
The 4th hole (which heads north, in a similar direction to the 3rd) is the par three created by Martin Hawtree a few years ago and now revamped by Ebert. A new back tee offers some stunning views to Lambay Island, Ireland’s Eye and Howth, as well as over holes 2 and 5.

It is a challenging short hole with a small green and short, tight run-offs. Ebert implied in an interview I had with him that the original green surrounds were considered too tough so they were ‘improved’ to make the hole easier. If that’s the case then it was seriously difficult before because if you miss the putting surface on any side you will now be left with a shot that requires real creativity to a shapely green. It’s a fabulous hole that is equal to the par three 13th and 16th with the added bonus of views. It may well become The Island’s stand out hole, although that honour goes to the 15th in my book.

Hole 5
Measurement 391 metres.
The par four 5th (old 4th) now doglegs from left to right, not right to left as before. With a new green on the site of the old practice green, near the clubhouse, it has added 35 metres from the white tees.

It is a tough driving hole unless you fade the ball. A tall and solid dune fills the outside of the elbow and it is easy to go long and into the rough. From there your view of the green is blocked. Try to cut off too much of the corner and it is a similar result. The old green was tough to hold and the new version is no easier, with steep run-offs especially over the back. I like the hole less than the original version… but then I draw the ball so the old shape suited me perfectly. It is not as attractive as the old hole, certainly from the tee and while longer its Index has changed from 6 to 8.

Hole 7
The old 6th has upgraded fairway bunkering, favouring the ‘torn’ appearance.

Hole 8
Measurement 389 metres.
The 8th is a new par four on the terrain previously occupied by the old 7th. The teeing grounds are in the same location but this hole is much straighter, with the new green further to the right of the old green. The new green complex is where the buckthorn used to be. It is 21 metres shorter than the old Index 4 7th but is now Index 2.


You drive between a corridor of dunes (as on the 9th) with a couple of bunkers on the left of the landing zone. It is a good driving hole (favour the left) and, alongside the 9th, it promises a battling finish. It also possesses a lovely green complex with sharp fall-offs and a bank at the rear that can be used as a backstop. It’s the strongest of the changes for me but I am still sorry to see the old 7th go as it employed the best use of the natural terrain, with a ridge running into the green from 30 yards out. It was quirky and difficult to play. That said, the attractive new green complex presents opportunities for some intelligent links shots. It is no easy approach shot on a long hole.

Hole 9
Measurement 374 metres.
The 9th is a long, straight and tough par four back to the clubhouse. A large sand waste area fronts the tee with a dune nudging in from the right to hide some of the fairway.

Everything about the 9th hole is new and when you stand on the tee you are practically on the old 7th green. You drive over a large sandy waste area (a few of which have been introduced on the front nine), through a corridor of dunes and into the teeth of the prevailing wind (SW). The green is simpler than most but it is nestled tightly into surrounding cordon of dunes. A nasty, rough strewn hollow waits just to the front left of the green, along with a hidden sand waste area.


Additional Comments:

The hole order no longer starts with eight par fours followed by a par three. It is now: 4, 4, 5, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4. I loved the previous start of eight par fours. It showed how different par fours could be with constant changes in direction and different terrains. But a member tells me it was very tough to play, week in, week out, and the new order does mix things up.

Rippling fairways have been added to holes 5, 8 and 9. They are attractive and give a strong links feel but, I would argue, they don’t reflect the smoother fairways of elsewhere.

The par has changed from 35 to 36 and the length has increased from 2996 metres to 3164 metres for the white tees. The back tee measurements have not yet been assessed by the GUI.


To be honest, it's hard to react positively to changes when you loved what was there before. It will take me time to get used to them but I hope the above comments explain the changes (apologies, tried to add photographs but can't remember how to do it(… and whet the appetite for when you next play here.


Kevin Markham

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Re: The Island Golf Club - Martin Ebert Upgrades
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2020, 02:13:03 PM »
Thank you, Alex,
I have zero idea what happened there.

Tommy Williamsen

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Re: The Island Golf Club - Martin Ebert Upgrades
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2020, 02:23:05 PM »
Thank you, Alex,
I have zero idea what happened there.


Sometimes if you paste a response in from a word doc it does that.


I played the Island about 2005 because of this site. I'd have missed it but found it to be great fun. It had the narrowest fairway I'd ever seen. 14?
Where there is no love, put love; there you will find love.
St. John of the Cross

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Rob Marshall

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Re: The Island Golf Club - Martin Ebert Upgrades
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2020, 02:42:11 PM »
Thank you, Alex,
I have zero idea what happened there.


Sometimes if you paste a response in from a word doc it does that.


I played the Island about 2005 because of this site. I'd have missed it but found it to be great fun. It had the narrowest fairway I'd ever seen. 14?


I thought it was 12 but it resembled a lane on a bowling alley...........a single lane. Dune left and hazard right.
If life gives you limes, make margaritas.” Jimmy Buffett

Kevin Markham

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Re: The Island Golf Club - Martin Ebert Upgrades
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2020, 02:57:56 PM »
It's the 14th alright. Narrowest fairway in Ireland... and probably Europe!

Kevin Markham

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Re: The Island Golf Club - Martin Ebert Upgrades
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2020, 03:00:52 PM »
Sorry not to be able to put photos in with the text... here's a link to the relevant photographs: https://www.flickr.com/photos/kevinmarkham/albums/72157715576109146

Ally Mcintosh

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Re: The Island Golf Club - Martin Ebert Upgrades
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2020, 01:35:14 PM »
Thanks for the write-up, Kevin. I’m yet to get out and see the holes so nice to hear your opinions.


No doubt quirk and individuality will have been sacrificed. May well make for a better course and can certainly see how it will iron out any wrinkles in its bid to host bigger tournaments.


Ally

Thomas Dai

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Re: The Island Golf Club - Martin Ebert Upgrades
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2020, 03:42:27 PM »
DS rating before ‘upgrades’ vrs DS rating after? Just curious.
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Jeff Johnston

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Re: The Island Golf Club - Martin Ebert Upgrades
« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2020, 07:21:59 AM »
Many thanks Kevin for putting up your thoughts and pics, interested to see these on the ground as well.


In terms of strength as golf holes, how would you rate old 7th vs new 8th?

Kevin Markham

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Re: The Island Golf Club - Martin Ebert Upgrades
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2020, 09:22:00 AM »
Many thanks Kevin for putting up your thoughts and pics, interested to see these on the ground as well.


In terms of strength as golf holes, how would you rate old 7th vs new 8th?



That's a tough question, Jeff. I loved the 7th. It required a solid drive and then an exceptional second to negotiate a slippery green and that ridge running into the putting surface. The fall-offs were long on either side. It moved right-to-left and used the natural land form really well.


The new 8th is a manufactured replacement and as good as it is it'll take some time to settle in - certainly in my own head. I do like the green complex and, to be honest, you still need a very intelligent second to find the green. If you miss you still need some links strategy to tackle the pin. Index 2 says how tough it can be.


Each has its virtues but the 7th is like an old flame who I still pine for. The attraction of the new 8th will take a bit longer to win me over.

Ira Fishman

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Re: The Island Golf Club - Martin Ebert Upgrades
« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2020, 12:58:57 PM »
I am glad to see that it looks as if they left the old 5th alone. On my one play, one of my favorites and still memorable. I liked the old 8th so bit sorry to lose what was admittedly an awkward hole. We were very much looking forward to returning this summer, but it is unfortunately what it is.


Ira

Jeff Johnston

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Re: The Island Golf Club - Martin Ebert Upgrades
« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2020, 04:29:04 AM »
Thanks Kevin - nicely put! The old 7th was a belter - sorry to see it go.

Jim Franklin

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Re: The Island Golf Club - Martin Ebert Upgrades
« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2020, 10:05:29 AM »
I was supposed to play The Island Club last year at this time. My wife was on trip with me for a company recognition event. Somehow I let her convince me not to play and we roamed Dublin together visiting pubs and shopping. I was a little bummed not to play, but really enjoyed Dublin. Need to go back for sure.
Mr Hurricane

jeffwarne

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Re: The Island Golf Club - Martin Ebert Upgrades
« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2020, 12:47:57 PM »
Somehow I let her convince me not to play and we roamed Dublin together visiting pubs and shopping. I was a little bummed not to play, but really enjoyed Dublin.


Reported to moderator ;) ;D
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Tommy Williamsen

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Re: The Island Golf Club - Martin Ebert Upgrades
« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2020, 12:58:03 PM »
I was supposed to play The Island Club last year at this time. My wife was on trip with me for a company recognition event. Somehow I let her convince me not to play and we roamed Dublin together visiting pubs and shopping. I was a little bummed not to play, but really enjoyed Dublin. Need to go back for sure.


Those are the times I am always grateful that my wife loves to play.
Where there is no love, put love; there you will find love.
St. John of the Cross

"Deep within your soul-space is a magnificent cathedral where you are sweet beyond telling." Rumi

Jim Franklin

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Re: The Island Golf Club - Martin Ebert Upgrades
« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2020, 01:56:54 PM »
Somehow I let her convince me not to play and we roamed Dublin together visiting pubs and shopping. I was a little bummed not to play, but really enjoyed Dublin.


Reported to moderator ;) ;D

And rightfully so. LOL
Mr Hurricane

Sean_A

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Re: The Island Golf Club - Martin Ebert Upgrades
« Reply #17 on: August 31, 2020, 05:09:08 AM »
Many thanks Kevin for putting up your thoughts and pics, interested to see these on the ground as well.

In terms of strength as golf holes, how would you rate old 7th vs new 8th?

That's a tough question, Jeff. I loved the 7th. It required a solid drive and then an exceptional second to negotiate a slippery green and that ridge running into the putting surface. The fall-offs were long on either side. It moved right-to-left and used the natural land form really well.

The new 8th is a manufactured replacement and as good as it is it'll take some time to settle in - certainly in my own head. I do like the green complex and, to be honest, you still need a very intelligent second to find the green. If you miss you still need some links strategy to tackle the pin. Index 2 says how tough it can be.

Each has its virtues but the 7th is like an old flame who I still pine for. The attraction of the new 8th will take a bit longer to win me over.

I haven't seen the new 8th and don't know if I ever will. It seems a daring move to ever replace a cool older green with a completely new one...especially these days when some archies are not creating relatively cool greens. I spose with an entirely new site the old green will be forgotten and perhaps not missed. I am not sure this sits well with me, but I don't pay the bills.

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Guy Nicholson

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Re: The Island Golf Club - Martin Ebert Upgrades
« Reply #18 on: August 31, 2020, 09:05:30 AM »
Great images, Kevin. That is some fierce-looking rough.

Kevin Markham

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Re: The Island Golf Club - Martin Ebert Upgrades
« Reply #19 on: September 02, 2020, 03:04:31 AM »
Great images, Kevin. That is some fierce-looking rough.


The rough will be tamed in time. It is growing in for now... but then it's a links so the rough is invariably treacherous.

jeffwarne

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Re: The Island Golf Club - Martin Ebert Upgrades
« Reply #20 on: September 02, 2020, 08:49:45 AM »
When I played the Open Q there in 2014,#3  used the new tee at 503 yards(as a par 4)
It was into the wind and I hit a pair of drivers and a 60 yard low pitch

I guess the new #4 was there as well (the new par 3) But I didn't notice it.


I really liked the bit of quirk in the old stretch of holes 4-8 (that are reconfigured now), though I won't miss the 9th with OB very much in play on the right. (got bit there the following year)
I guess it was ineveitable that any course I had tournament success on would clearly need redesigning...Heavy sigh.....

"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
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