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Kalen Braley

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Re: Men's US Amateur Bandon Dunes
« Reply #25 on: August 13, 2020, 10:52:02 AM »
Just a reminder that you're looking at Joe Hancock's work on all of the bunkers out here.


Sven,


Thanks for the reminder, they look fantastic.  When i turned on the coverage, they were showing approach shots to 14 green and I didn't even recognize it at first due to the upgraded bunkers...

William_G

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Re: Men's US Amateur Bandon Dunes
« Reply #26 on: August 13, 2020, 11:20:17 AM »
yes thanks Sven, DMK should mention Joe no doubt
It's all about the golf!

JLahrman

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Re: Men's US Amateur Bandon Dunes
« Reply #27 on: August 13, 2020, 11:21:06 AM »
Are they using Bandon Dunes for all the match play rounds?

William_G

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Re: Men's US Amateur Bandon Dunes
« Reply #28 on: August 13, 2020, 11:26:44 AM »
Are they using Bandon Dunes for all the match play rounds?
yes, of course
It's all about the golf!

JLahrman

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Re: Men's US Amateur Bandon Dunes
« Reply #29 on: August 13, 2020, 12:03:44 PM »
Are they using Bandon Dunes for all the match play rounds?
yes, of course



Hoping the final ends on the 16th, I'm assuming.

William_G

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Re: Men's US Amateur Bandon Dunes
« Reply #30 on: August 13, 2020, 12:18:50 PM »
LOL anywhere after the 1st as it's 36 on Sunday
It's all about the golf!

Pete_Pittock

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Re: Men's US Amateur Bandon Dunes
« Reply #31 on: August 13, 2020, 07:43:11 PM »
Please remember our dear friend Bill McBride who will be virtually spectatating from the back back tee of the 3rd hole. A great place to oversee the main paddock.  I hope the impressive clubhead speeds won't dislodge him. Tee shot launches toward the Pacific, and the short walk from the Pac Dunes clubhouse were consequential in in his setting.

John Kirk

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Re: Men's US Amateur Bandon Dunes
« Reply #32 on: August 13, 2020, 09:06:11 PM »
Johnny Obvious says:
It sure is a nice golf course.  All of the holes from 11 to 18 are great fun to play.  And it sure is fun watching them play a course I know very well.


Matt_Cohn

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Re: Men's US Amateur Bandon Dunes
« Reply #33 on: August 13, 2020, 10:40:09 PM »
That was hard to watch today.

JLahrman

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Re: Men's US Amateur Bandon Dunes
« Reply #34 on: August 14, 2020, 12:36:25 AM »
That was hard to watch today.



The wind beating up the players?


Or the caddy building sand castles in the bunker on 18?


WTF was he thinking? How can you not at least suspect that you shouldn't be doing that? Was that the first time in five rounds week that he tested the sand in that manner? Was it a Bandon caddie or the player's own caddy? Never seen anything like that.

Cal Seifert

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Re: Men's US Amateur Bandon Dunes
« Reply #35 on: August 14, 2020, 06:21:00 AM »
I heard that it was a local bandon caddy. Ouch.

jeffwarne

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Re: Men's US Amateur Bandon Dunes
« Reply #36 on: August 14, 2020, 06:38:53 AM »
Really sad on all fronts.


You would be amazed how many people assume caddies know the rules well.
A particularly sticky wicket in tournaments as "often wrong but never in doubt" can be a formula for disaster.


I had a similar incident when my son raked the back of a bunker where an earlier player had failed to clean up-BEFORE I hit my bunker shot from about 40 feet away the area he had raked. Fortunately, that was after the rule regarding this had changed(no penalty)but it didn't stop my fellow competitor from having a full on freak out, not accepting my interpretation or that of two other on site rules officials.


My personal favorite line is "the caddy kept score"
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

Tim Martin

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Re: Men's US Amateur Bandon Dunes
« Reply #37 on: August 14, 2020, 07:35:49 AM »
If the caddie did everything the same minus the hand action would there still be a penalty? Say he got in and walked a step or two and then turned around and walked out?
« Last Edit: August 14, 2020, 07:50:56 AM by Tim Martin »

JESII

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Re: Men's US Amateur Bandon Dunes
« Reply #38 on: August 14, 2020, 07:42:09 AM »
Did Strafaci have the option to effectively waive the penalty?


Pretty high stakes to be giving something away, but I’d like to think I would.

JLahrman

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Re: Men's US Amateur Bandon Dunes
« Reply #39 on: August 14, 2020, 08:34:24 AM »
Did Strafaci have the option to effectively waive the penalty?

Pretty high stakes to be giving something away, but I’d like to think I would.



I don't think that's ever an option.

JMEvensky

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Re: Men's US Amateur Bandon Dunes
« Reply #40 on: August 14, 2020, 08:46:47 AM »
Did Strafaci have the option to effectively waive the penalty?


Pretty high stakes to be giving something away, but I’d like to think I would.



Double DQ I think.

John Kavanaugh

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Re: Men's US Amateur Bandon Dunes
« Reply #41 on: August 14, 2020, 08:48:42 AM »
It’s like letting the Nazi prisoner live in Saving Private Ryan. Every time I have waived a rule in a money game it has come back to bite me.

JESII

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Re: Men's US Amateur Bandon Dunes
« Reply #42 on: August 14, 2020, 08:50:10 AM »
Really strange...and now that I read the article in which the caddy denies touching the sand it’s tough to feel too bad for him.

John Kavanaugh

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Re: Men's US Amateur Bandon Dunes
« Reply #43 on: August 14, 2020, 08:53:06 AM »
Pine Valley should offer the caddie a job. I have had to beg caddies to stop cheating in the past. Nice to see one caught on tape.

Carl Johnson

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Re: Men's US Amateur Bandon Dunes
« Reply #44 on: August 14, 2020, 10:19:13 AM »
I'm not at the caddie user level, but one would think that at courses like at Bandon Dunes Resort they would have a fairly good knowledge of at least the basic rules, in which I would include testing the sand.  One would also think they'd not lie about what they've done.  All very clear on TV replays.

JLahrman

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Re: Men's US Amateur Bandon Dunes
« Reply #45 on: August 14, 2020, 10:23:42 AM »
Really strange...and now that I read the article in which the caddy denies touching the sand it’s tough to feel too bad for him.



I didn't hear exactly what he said, I couldn't tell if he denied touching the sand or if he denied that he was testing it when he touched it. Seems crazy that he would lie about touching it when multiple people saw him and TV cameras were around, but maybe he just panicked when he was asked. If he is a Bandon caddie maybe he hasn't caddied/played in many official competitions. But I have never heard of or seen anyone do that, apart from picking out a rock (and he wasn't near his player's ball).

Kalen Braley

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Re: Men's US Amateur Bandon Dunes
« Reply #46 on: August 14, 2020, 10:31:42 AM »
As I was watching it I was like, I know they recently changed the rules, but I don't think that's allowed.

P.S.  I assumed it was a known associate he brought along to caddy and was thinking that's gonna be a very awkward trip home.  Either way, just a brutal way to get bounced from the tourney after making it thru stroke play and surviving in the rounds of 64 and 32...

Kalen Braley

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Re: Men's US Amateur Bandon Dunes
« Reply #47 on: August 14, 2020, 10:39:20 AM »
Did Strafaci have the option to effectively waive the penalty?

Pretty high stakes to be giving something away, but I’d like to think I would.


Double DQ I think.

Rule 1.3 is interesting.  Apparently you can't waive a rule, unless both of you claim ignorance of that rule and then its OK?

That seems bizarre that rules don't apply if players claim to not know they exist.

https://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/rules/rules-2019/rules-of-golf/rule-1-interpretations.html

SL_Solow

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Re: Men's US Amateur Bandon Dunes
« Reply #48 on: August 14, 2020, 11:16:54 AM »
Players cannot agree to waive a Rule.  But in a match, a player can choose to look the other way.  Once the infraction is called, it is too late.  Interesting to note that it was the other caddy who called the infraction and that he is Strafaci's father.

Sven Nilsen

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Re: Men's US Amateur Bandon Dunes
« Reply #49 on: August 14, 2020, 11:46:56 AM »
There's a ton to the story that folks will never know, but the short of it is the local caddie had a total brain fart. 


He's a good kid, had worked hard to get his player to the round of 16, and was fully engaged in their mission.  He feels horrible about it. 


Should never have happened, but the Bandon caddies are trying to help him get through this.
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