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Carl Rogers

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Getting to 18 - Quail Crossing question
« on: July 17, 2020, 09:26:41 AM »
Tom, you explain well how the routing in around the quarry works was developed.
But my immediate reaction was why the two nines we're ordered as they were. The quarry, being the most memorable feature of the site being the center piece of the back nine and thus the most memorable element of the course.


Was there debate about the ordering of the nines?


Also a lesson that underscores the logic of routing par 3's over difficult property.
I decline to accept the end of man. ... William Faulkner

Joe Bausch

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Re: Getting to 18 - Quail Crossing question
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2020, 11:08:38 AM »
For those interested, here is a photo album of Quail Crossing from way back in 2008 when I was just started photographing golf courses:

http://www80.homepage.villanova.edu/joseph.bausch/images/albums/QuailCrossing/index.html
@jwbausch (for new photo albums)
The site for the Cobb's Creek project:  https://cobbscreek.org/
Nearly all Delaware Valley golf courses in photo albums: Bausch Collection

Tom_Doak

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Re: Getting to 18 - Quail Crossing question
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2020, 01:36:31 PM »
Tom, you explain well how the routing in around the quarry works was developed.
But my immediate reaction was why the two nines we're ordered as they were. The quarry, being the most memorable feature of the site being the center piece of the back nine and thus the most memorable element of the course.

Was there debate about the ordering of the nines?



Carl:


It's funny how often this question comes up for other people -- even Bill Coore asked me about why I hadn't ordered the nines the other way at one of my better-known courses.  But I generally don't think about it too much once I've got my mind made up.  [Our new project in Ireland is an exception to that -- Don Placek suggested switching the nines when he was drawing up the routing, and I decided to go with that.]


For Quail Crossing, the decision was basically that I thought #10 going around a boundary on the right would be too difficult of a starting hole, plus I didn't want everyone going across the road to the first tee -- the first tee as we built it is more easily controlled by the pro shop.

Nigel Islam

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Re: Getting to 18 - Quail Crossing question
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2020, 12:10:57 AM »
18 is a better closing hole than nine as well.

Carl Rogers

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Re: Getting to 18 - Quail Crossing question
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2020, 06:58:47 PM »
Has anyone played the course?
I decline to accept the end of man. ... William Faulkner

Joe Bausch

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Re: Getting to 18 - Quail Crossing question
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2020, 08:08:18 PM »
Has anyone played the course?


Uh-huh.
@jwbausch (for new photo albums)
The site for the Cobb's Creek project:  https://cobbscreek.org/
Nearly all Delaware Valley golf courses in photo albums: Bausch Collection

Carl Rogers

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Re: Getting to 18 - Quail Crossing question
« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2020, 09:19:58 PM »
I decline to accept the end of man. ... William Faulkner

Chris_Blakely

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Re: Getting to 18 - Quail Crossing question
« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2020, 10:32:06 PM »
I played Quail Crossing and Cambridge (a very good Tim Liddy course) two years ago.


Chris

Joe Bausch

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Re: Getting to 18 - Quail Crossing question
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2020, 05:44:17 AM »
I played Quail Crossing and Cambridge (a very good Tim Liddy course) two years ago.


Chris


Cambridge photos from a visit a decade ago:


http://www80.homepage.villanova.edu/joseph.bausch/images/albums/Cambridge/index.html
@jwbausch (for new photo albums)
The site for the Cobb's Creek project:  https://cobbscreek.org/
Nearly all Delaware Valley golf courses in photo albums: Bausch Collection

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