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Jim Sherma

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Re: Perfect land for golf that remains undeveloped?
« Reply #25 on: June 28, 2020, 09:23:52 AM »
Expanding Castlegregory Golf Links on the Dingle peninsula to 18 holes. Plenty of gorgeous linksland moving northeast between the sea and Lough Gill. You already have 9 holes there (some fun holes and great linksland arts of which could be rolled into a full course). No idea what the legal situation of the contiguous dunes are, but this could be one of the special ones if you could get the needed permissions.

Blake Conant

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Re: Perfect land for golf that remains undeveloped?
« Reply #26 on: June 28, 2020, 10:39:48 AM »
Western coast of Spain and down into Portugal has some undeveloped links land that looks really cool. Start at Praia de Vilarrube and work south, you'll lots of little links pockets.  (Real Golf Club of Zarauz, Real Golf Club Oyambre look to be built on links ground).
Some stuff between Poland and Lithuania
West coast of Denmark
Sand hills in Saskatchewan


In the US:


North Dakota has some small pockets of sand hill land
Nebraska has small pockets of sandhills farther east than you'd expect
Montana has lots of tumbling spots like what's found on holes 4-7 at Rock Creek Cattle Co.
Georgia has lots of veins of sand
Minnesota has some small pockets of very good sandy land.
Texas coast has some sandy areas south of Corpus Christi

Craig Sweet

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Re: Perfect land for golf that remains undeveloped?
« Reply #27 on: June 28, 2020, 10:41:28 AM »
Montana Hwy 200 just west of Ovando...north side of the highway. Very linksy....sand gravel
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Blake Conant

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Re: Perfect land for golf that remains undeveloped?
« Reply #28 on: June 28, 2020, 10:50:38 AM »
The land near Ovando is incredible! Just southeast of Eliston there's some more, and way up in the NE corner near Froid is a good pocket.

Craig Sweet

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Re: Perfect land for golf that remains undeveloped?
« Reply #29 on: June 28, 2020, 08:04:20 PM »
"The land near Ovando is incredible!."


It's the best piece of land I have seen for golf in Montana...Puts Rock Creek to shame.
« Last Edit: June 28, 2020, 08:07:33 PM by Craig Sweet »
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Thomas Dai

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Re: Perfect land for golf that remains undeveloped?
« Reply #30 on: June 29, 2020, 03:19:24 AM »
Of course if the ball didn't go so damn far these days you wouldn't need so much space for a new course.
atb

George Freeman

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Re: Perfect land for golf that remains undeveloped?
« Reply #31 on: June 29, 2020, 04:24:11 PM »
Every time I'm driving around northwest Michigan, say from Manistee all the way up the Leelanau Peninsula, I always seem to be craning my neck out the window thinking I just saw the next great piece of rolling land for a golf course.  Driving from Arcadia Bluffs to Traverse City has some pretty interesting plots of farm land visible from the various county roads. 

In addition, my standard route from Chicago to Traverse City takes me up I-196 then onto US-131, both of which seem to have many sections of sandy, rolling land (Lost Dunes is bisected by I-94, just south of where I-196 starts).  By definition of me seeing it from a highway, the land is obviously near a busy road, but I would imagine this topography stretches quite a ways in either direction.  A good example of this is the land by exit 191 on US-131 near Manton, MI.

As has been mentioned before, most of us amateurs see "ideal" golf land that is in actuality too severe for good golf, and this is likely the case for most of the stuff I am seeing. 

Question for Tom D or Mike D:  have you seen any interesting and sandy pieces of land in Northern Michigan that made you say "wow, we could turn that into a pretty good golf course"?  Have you ever looked into any?

Always fun to dream...
« Last Edit: June 29, 2020, 04:28:17 PM by George Freeman »
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Mike Hendren

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Re: Perfect land for golf that remains undeveloped?
« Reply #32 on: June 30, 2020, 10:57:21 AM »
Another vote for Inch Peninsula.  Out and back starting at the surf school hut - at least 100 holes.

Balnakeil Beach across the bay from Durness.
Eastern Okaloosa Island just west of Destin, Florida.  Likely owned by the government, however.

Bogey

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Alex Miller

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Re: Perfect land for golf that remains undeveloped?
« Reply #33 on: June 30, 2020, 01:27:01 PM »
Adjacent to Camp Pendleton and San Onofre beach - the cliffs at Las Flores Viewpoint https://goo.gl/maps/UzU81wqZF9RfjYn86


I've driven by hear countless times, and while there's land further the south that could work as well, I think there's safely room for 9 holes, a range, and small clubhouse to the north and 9 stunning holes that would play something akin to if Cabo and Pebble had a baby to the south.


While there'd be some elevation challenges I think they're surmountable (in part due to the on-shore prevailing wind countering the slope), the environmental restrictions however would be nearly impossible to overcome.



Garland Bayley

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Re: Perfect land for golf that remains undeveloped?
« Reply #34 on: July 01, 2020, 11:04:55 AM »
When I posted Reply 8 above I wasn’t so much getting at renovations or restorations or period closures, which is obviously one option, but more evolutionary ongoing short phase upgrade/improvement work, bit like off-season projects. ...

Donald Ross wrote, "It has always seemed to me better to have a very few fine holes and the rest fair, than eighteen fair holes with none that leave a distinct impression on the player's mind. "

Could not 18 fair holes be easily turned into, for example, 15 fair holes and 3 fine holes by simple changes that were overlooked, or beyond budget during the initial design and construction.
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Garland Bayley

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Re: Perfect land for golf that remains undeveloped?
« Reply #35 on: July 01, 2020, 11:42:54 AM »
A bit like Ally is doing at Strandhill Dai?

When I posted Reply 8 above I wasn’t so much getting at renovations or restorations or period closures, which is obviously one option, but more evolutionary ongoing short phase upgrade/improvement work, bit like off-season projects. ...

Donald Ross wrote, "It has always seemed to me better to have a very few fine holes and the rest fair, than eighteen fair holes with none that leave a distinct impression on the player's mind. "

Could not 18 fair holes be easily turned into, for example, 15 fair holes and 3 fine holes by simple changes that were overlooked, or beyond budget during the initial design and construction.
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Ian Mackenzie

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Re: Perfect land for golf that remains undeveloped?
« Reply #36 on: July 01, 2020, 11:48:05 AM »
The "Canadian Sand Hills" of Alberta.


https://integrativegolfdesigns.com/journal-content/the-canadian-sand-hills


Short season, but really cool!


Look at the terrain in Newfoundland...Can you say Tara Iti, eh...?..:


https://integrativegolfdesigns.com/journal-content/newfoundland-or-newfound-linksland


« Last Edit: July 01, 2020, 11:53:11 AM by Ian Mackenzie »

Thomas Dai

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Re: Perfect land for golf that remains undeveloped?
« Reply #37 on: July 01, 2020, 11:59:32 AM »
A bit like Ally is doing at Strandhill Dai?
Pretty much, and as others posting herein are doing elsewhere too. Maybe even a bit less. Gradual ongoing continuous improvements but crucially with expert on-site input.
atb

John Emerson

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Re: Perfect land for golf that remains undeveloped?
« Reply #38 on: July 01, 2020, 01:39:46 PM »
There’s some good ground along southern Alabama coast to create a links course.  Caveat....hurricanes and rising sea level will bury any courses built sooner than later.
“There’s links golf, then everything else.”

Garland Bayley

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Re: Perfect land for golf that remains undeveloped?
« Reply #39 on: July 01, 2020, 09:13:44 PM »
The BSA camp land in the dunes south of Cape Lookout, Oregon that if I remember correctly Tom Doak was slated to develop. We all remember Sandpines in Florence, Oregon. The dunes south of town are publicly owned and state parks and national recreation areas. However, the dunes north of town don't have any obvious restrictions that I know of.

Sandpines has been renamed Florence Links even though it is not a links. Ocean Dunes in Florence is the links.
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Garland Bayley

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Re: Perfect land for golf that remains undeveloped?
« Reply #40 on: July 01, 2020, 09:15:39 PM »
The dunes presumably in Jutland area of Denmark that appeared in Babette's Feast looks like good links land on film.
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Tom_Doak

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Re: Perfect land for golf that remains undeveloped?
« Reply #41 on: July 01, 2020, 09:15:55 PM »
The BSA camp land in the dunes south of Cape Lookout, Oregon that if I remember correctly Tom Doak was slated to develop.


Garland :  nope, that wasn't me.  Just as well, I guess, since nothing happened.

Garland Bayley

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Re: Perfect land for golf that remains undeveloped?
« Reply #42 on: July 01, 2020, 09:17:21 PM »
There’s some good ground along southern Alabama coast to create a links course.  Caveat....hurricanes and rising sea level will bury any courses built sooner than later.

A second caveat. You can't grow fescue grass there I presume.
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

JMEvensky

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Re: Perfect land for golf that remains undeveloped?
« Reply #43 on: July 01, 2020, 09:24:46 PM »

The dunes presumably in Jutland area of Denmark that appeared in Babette's Feast looks like good links land on film.



Nice shout out for a great movie--and I think the same thing every time I watch it.

John Emerson

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Re: Perfect land for golf that remains undeveloped?
« Reply #44 on: July 01, 2020, 10:34:32 PM »
There’s some good ground along southern Alabama coast to create a links course.  Caveat....hurricanes and rising sea level will bury any courses built sooner than later.

A second caveat. You can't grow fescue grass there I presume.


Definitely not.  Warm season grasses only that far south.


Another area that was superb that I recently visited was southern coast of Delaware, and coastal Maryland.  Some really nice dunes, but not crazy dramatic, but still a lot of potential.  No way you could ever build a golf course there.  Environmental folks would lose their mind in these areas.
“There’s links golf, then everything else.”

Mike Hendren

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Re: Perfect land for golf that remains undeveloped?
« Reply #45 on: July 09, 2020, 03:37:19 PM »
What about the west coast of North Jutland? 

Bogey
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Thomas Dai

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Re: Perfect land for golf that remains undeveloped?
« Reply #46 on: July 09, 2020, 04:07:09 PM »
See the last few pages of “Getting to 18”.
Atb

Michael Essig

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Re: Perfect land for golf that remains undeveloped?
« Reply #47 on: July 09, 2020, 05:56:46 PM »
There are miles and miles of beautiful dunes land along the Atlantic coast west of Bordeaux, in France.  Unfortunately, there is likely never anything to be built in any of them.


+1. 12 months of playability. An international airport with flights from Paris and London. Bullet train from Paris to Bordeaux. Except for local citizens that don't play much (any) golf, for a traveler it is almost perfect.  Vast areas of undeveloped sand dunes and forests along the coast.  Golf in the morning, beach in the afternoon, and a beautiful meal with wine to end the day.  Who doesn't want some of that?

JimB

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Re: Perfect land for golf that remains undeveloped?
« Reply #48 on: July 09, 2020, 10:36:50 PM »
Adjacent to Camp Pendleton and San Onofre beach - the cliffs at Las Flores Viewpoint https://goo.gl/maps/UzU81wqZF9RfjYn86


I've driven by hear countless times, and while there's land further the south that could work as well, I think there's safely room for 9 holes, a range, and small clubhouse to the north and 9 stunning holes that would play something akin to if Cabo and Pebble had a baby to the south.


While there'd be some elevation challenges I think they're surmountable (in part due to the on-shore prevailing wind countering the slope), the environmental restrictions however would be nearly impossible to overcome.



Alex, watching California's Gold with Huell Howser right now and he is at Trestles. Can't help but notice the dunes.

Tom Bacsanyi

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Re: Perfect land for golf that remains undeveloped?
« Reply #49 on: July 10, 2020, 03:51:08 PM »
The "Canadian Sand Hills" of Alberta.


https://integrativegolfdesigns.com/journal-content/the-canadian-sand-hills


Short season, but really cool!


Look at the terrain in Newfoundland...Can you say Tara Iti, eh...?..:


https://integrativegolfdesigns.com/journal-content/newfoundland-or-newfound-linksland


Wow, phenomenal. The pic where the guy with a yellow shirt is in the center is already a hole. Fairway angled away from left to right, green site located either peek-a-boo behind the dune with a bunker already in the top for a par 4, or farther away for a par 5. You have to challenge the right side to have a good look around that dune. Anyway great pics.


(Of course I have no idea on how far anything is)
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