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John Kavanaugh

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I was just speaking with my wife about how I would like to go to Egypt but won't and wish I could buy a spot to go to the Space Station but can't. I guess I do get a certain satisfaction in telling whoever reads this thread two completely useless bits of information.


I thought other than mucking up another thread about a great course like Harbour Town with poster after poster who had never been there telling why they will never go this would be a nice opportunity to vent. Where don't you want to go and why?

Kalen Braley

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Barney,

Good thread topic, but to clarify one point first.  I only posted on the HT thread to specifically call out that I'm not a fan of the course in large part due to so called GCA values of width, options, etc.  It in fact doesn't get a pass from many of on this board as a counter point to VKs OP.

But to the question of this thread, I took a look at the Golf Digest top 25 list and one of them would certainly be on my not interested in seeing list with 3 other possibles.

11 - Winged Foot West - A difficult test, that even beats up the pros.  Fits the general theme thou, lots of trees, punishing rough with narrow fairways, long holes, and very well protected around the greens.  Just doesn't look fun in the slightest even if its a terrific US Open-like venue.  It'd be a relentless bogey/double bogey train.

Three other maybes.

21- Whistling Straights - Very difficult course, I'd anticipate a fair few Xs on my card.  Bunkering seems to be way overdone, even if it does seems to be a nice setting.
22 - Oak Hills - Aesthetically this course isn't appealing from what I've seen in pictures, but would probably need more info.
25 - Wade Hampton - I'd also need more information to confirm, but its hard to see whats compelling about it.

cary lichtenstein

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Barney:
I would NOT go to China, India or any filthy place on the planet
« Last Edit: June 23, 2020, 08:12:19 PM by cary lichtenstein »
Live Jupiter, Fl, was  4 handicap, played top 100 US, top 75 World. Great memories, no longer play, 4 back surgeries. I don't miss a lot of things about golf, life is simpler with out it. I miss my 60 degree wedge shots, don't miss nasty weather, icing, back spasms. Last course I played was Augusta

John Emerson

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Barney,

Good thread topic, but to clarify one point first.  I only posted on the HT thread to specifically call out that I'm not a fan of the course in large part due to so called GCA values of width, options, etc.  It in fact doesn't get a pass from many of on this board as a counter point to VKs OP.

But to the question of this thread, I took a look at the Golf Digest top 25 list and one of them would certainly be on my not interested in seeing list with 3 other possibles.

11 - Winged Foot West - A difficult test, that even beats up the pros.  Fits the general theme thou, lots of trees, punishing rough with narrow fairways, long holes, and very well protected around the greens.  Just doesn't look fun in the slightest even if its a terrific US Open-like venue.  It'd be a relentless bogey/double bogey train.

Three other maybes.

21- Whistling Straights - Very difficult course, I'd anticipate a fair few Xs on my card.  Bunkering seems to be way overdone, even if it does seems to be a nice setting.
22 - Oak Hills - Aesthetically this course isn't appealing from what I've seen in pictures, but would probably need more info.
25 - Wade Hampton - I'd also need more information to confirm, but its hard to see whats compelling about it.


Mark me down for “not interested” in Wade Hampton also.  From everything I’ve seen I just don’t see the allure.
“There’s links golf, then everything else.”

Marty Bonnar

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Anywhere with the word ‘Trump’ in it.
F.
The White River runs dark through the heart of the Town,
Washed the people coal-black from the hole in the ground.

Gib_Papazian

Barny,

I’m sure there are several people who believe we are both (already) orbiting from a space station, but this is actually a fairly interesting query.

Where *don't* I want to go?

Heresy alert: I don’t care if I ever play Augusta. I’ve never been to the Masters; my purely intellectual curiosity is probably limited to studying the putting surfaces (#14 & #17 in particular come to mind). Beyond that - and the fact the city is a piece of shit - the course strikes me as an amalgamation of endless tinkering, aimed solely at one week a year.

My two opportunities to play it came and went - too tough to work around my schedule - but in truth, if I had moved heaven and earth, it was doable.

After spending a day on the grounds, smart money has me on the couch next to Mike Young, watching on T.V.

In fact, I’ve never even bothered to tag along with homies to the Masters. I suppose I’ll finally go next year, but I’m more interested in seeing an early practice round (or when nobody is on the course) than fighting a hoard of patrons. I’m sure I can get a pimento sandwich on Tuesday - but doubtful it will hold a candle to an Olympic Club burger-dog.

By contrast, I would have cut off my right testicle to play Pine Valley the first time - thankfully that was not necessary. That is also where I first met David Normoyle, one of my favorite friends on the planet.

I’ve got a strong desire to return to the European Continent, but the plan - after rolling hard though the U.K. and Ireland  - is ship my sticks home and concentrate on Burgundy and Foie gras pairings. I’m no more interested in playing golf in France or Switzerland than climbing the Matterhorn naked.

Returning to Japan is definitely on my bucket list - if only to remember what a clean, safe, harmonious society looks and feels like. I had to turn down a fully paid trip 20 years ago - as the guest of a Japanese billionaire I helped get into Olympic. He was an incredibly interesting man who belonged to a dozen clubs, including Alison’s Hirono. Yeah, I’m still kicking myself.

Going back to China - for golf or any reason - is on my chamber pot list. I can play all the Ron Freem courses I want for $32, without having to pretend to enjoy eating batter-fried cockroaches.

Since the Biden and The Squad are going to throw Israel under the bus next January, I wouldn’t go to the Middle East on a bet.     

Speaking of travel, I’ll break my sworn moratorium on Fazio courses and impose on you at Vic National before the end of September. Her Redness hates to fly these days and I’ll be damned if I’m going to put on a face berka and breathe my own halitosis clear across the country, drinking beer through a fucking straw.


P.S. For the studio audience and newbie lurkers, Kavanaugh’s original nom de plume was “Barny” - owing to an autographed picture of Barney Frank he carried in his golf bag. He never explained why the “e” was omitted . . . . . nor the significance of "Jaka b” or “Gillette Silver” - his other alter-egos. I chalked it up to schizophrenia, but I promise you, John is perfectly sane in person. Me, not so much.   
« Last Edit: June 23, 2020, 01:03:34 AM by Gib Papazian »

John Kavanaugh

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As a Fazioisanado I have asked several people about Wade Hampton. I would have to see it not to love it. I hate that Gil built the elevated tee on the 16th at Rustic Canyon but I do love hitting tee balls down a big hill. I’d love WH, I just know it.


JakaB is John aka Barney.


Gillette Silver is many things but GAg for short most of all.   

Kalen Braley

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As a Fazioisanado I have asked several people about Wade Hampton. I would have to see it not to love it. I hate that Gil built the elevated tee on the 16th at Rustic Canyon but I do love hitting tee balls down a big hill. I’d love WH, I just know it.

JakaB is John aka Barney.

Gillette Silver is many things but GAg for short most of all.


John,

You would love Lakota Canyon, Redlands Mesa, Black Rock, and Sanctuary then.  Plenty of downhill tee balls on those!

I know GCA is mixed on Engh's stuff, but they are a ton of fun!

John Emerson

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Barny,

I’m sure there are several people who believe we are both (already) orbiting from a space station, but this is actually a fairly interesting query.

Where *don't* I want to go?

Heresy alert: I don’t care if I ever play Augusta. I’ve never been to the Masters; my purely intellectual curiosity is probably limited to studying the putting surfaces (#14 & #17 in particular come to mind). Beyond that - and the fact the city is a piece of shit - the course strikes me as an amalgamation of endless tinkering, aimed solely at one week a year.

My two opportunities to play it came and went - too tough to work around my schedule - but in truth, if I had moved heaven and earth, it was doable.

After spending a day on the grounds, smart money has me on the couch next to Mike Young, watching on T.V.

In fact, I’ve never even bothered to tag along with homies to the Masters. I suppose I’ll finally go next year, but I’m more interested in seeing an early practice round (or when nobody is on the course) than fighting a hoard of patrons. I’m sure I can get a pimento sandwich on Tuesday - but doubtful it will hold a candle to an Olympic Club burger-dog.

By contrast, I would have cut off my right testicle to play Pine Valley the first time - thankfully that was not necessary. That is also where I first met David Normoyle, one of my favorite friends on the planet.

I’ve got a strong desire to return to the European Continent, but the plan - after rolling hard though the U.K. and Ireland  - is ship my sticks home and concentrate on Burgundy and Foie gras pairings. I’m no more interested in playing golf in France or Switzerland than climbing the Matterhorn naked.

Returning to Japan is definitely on my bucket list - if only to remember what a clean, safe, harmonious society looks and feels like. I had to turn down a fully paid trip 20 years ago - as the guest of a Japanese billionaire I helped get into Olympic. He was an incredibly interesting man who belonged to a dozen clubs, including Alison’s Hirono. Yeah, I’m still kicking myself.

Going back to China - for golf or any reason - is on my chamber pot list. I can play all the Ron Freem courses I want for $32 without having to pretend to like eating fry-battered cockroaches.

Since the Biden and The Squad are going to throw Israel under the bus next January, I wouldn’t go to the Middle East on a bet.     

Speaking of travel, I’ll break my sworn moratorium on Fazio courses and impose on you at Vic National before the end of September. Her Redness hates to fly these days and I’ll be damned if I’m going to put on a face berka and breathe my own halitosis clear across the country, drinking beer through a fucking straw.


P.S. For the audio audience and newbie lurkers, Kavanaugh’s original nom de plume was “Barny” - owing to an autographed picture of Barney Frank he carried in his golf bag. He never explained why the “e” was omitted . . . . . nor the significance of "Jaka b” or “Gillette Silver” - his other alter-egos. I chalked it up to schizophrenia, but I promise you, John is perfectly sane in person. Me, not so much.   


Gib,


I am in complete agreement with you on David N.  He is salt of the earth.  Such a solid and interesting guy.
“There’s links golf, then everything else.”

Colin Macqueen

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Gib,
A return from the wilderness! Entertaining!
Cheers Colin
"Golf, thou art a gentle sprite, I owe thee much"
The Hielander

Tom_Doak

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Re: Does anyone care about where you haven't been and don't want to go?
« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2020, 05:52:32 PM »
Kalen:


Winged Foot does have a beautiful set of greens.  Actually, 36 of them.

Gib_Papazian

Re: Does anyone care about where you haven't been and don't want to go?
« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2020, 06:10:03 PM »
Kalen,


Since I recently qualified for the Early Bird specials at Denny's, I agree that enduring 18 lashes of self-flagellation at WF West would accomplish nothing but hasten my impending dotage.

In other words - stealing from myself - that golf course had way more pussy than I got dick, back when I had dick. At this point, I've got a better chance sleeping with a Victoria Secret runway model than breaking even-bogey from the ladies tee. 

Which is why the idea of trying to tackle Butler National or Medinah at age 60, with a zipper tattoo on my lower spine, has less allure than hemorrhoid surgery - a subject, like the yips, I'm at loathe to relive.

And speaking of putter palsy, returning to Oakmont might finish me off for good, so I'll stay on this side of the Allegheny River and go play Fox Chapel.

Golf and aging is like tiptoeing down an every narrowing hallway - you can ignore the black monolith at the end of the corridor, but not the fact that no matter how many sets of tees forward you move, you'll eventually run out of colored blocks before you run out of handicap numbers.

At some point, my self-culling bucket list will be down to a cold Guinness and a fairly benign Irish Pitch & Putt.         

Tom, I'll agree with you about Tillie's greens at WF, except that while the East Course is a walk through an art gallery, listening to a symphony orchestra - the West is like a puke-inducing roller coaster playing punk rock at fill volume, surrounded by a moat full of water moccasins. 



   


     
« Last Edit: June 25, 2020, 05:44:49 PM by Gib Papazian »

Kalen Braley

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Re: Does anyone care about where you haven't been and don't want to go?
« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2020, 06:23:07 PM »
Gib,

Funny post, and well said.  Also brings up an interesting side point that i'm not opposed to being brutalized by a dom-like beastie course per se....its about the how I suppose.

Courses like Oakmont and Pine Valley remain right near the top of my bucket list, even knowing that I'd get my ass handed to me every which way till Sunday.

P.S.  We are also fully agreed on ANGC, I'd love to take in a practice round someday and get a close look at it without the "patron" horde....but that'd be it.
« Last Edit: June 22, 2020, 06:25:29 PM by Kalen Braley »

John Kavanaugh

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Re: Does anyone care about where you haven't been and don't want to go?
« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2020, 06:32:19 PM »
Gib is an idiot. When you turn 60 you no longer are concerned with how you play a course, you are thanking God for every second you can stay in it. It’s the one thing you have in common with your 18 year old self.
« Last Edit: June 22, 2020, 06:34:17 PM by John Kavanaugh »

Gib_Papazian

Re: Does anyone care about where you haven't been and don't want to go?
« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2020, 07:01:16 PM »
Oh Barny, I'm thankful to still be on the north side of the divot, but the fucking thing is filled in with quicksand.


As for Kalen, I'll agree, I don't mind being beat up by a flyweight midget - at least I've got a punchers chance to land a birdie or two - it is wearing a hole through my rescue club and 5-wood for my third shot after hacking out of the cabbage I can't deal with anymore.


Funny, Pine Valley never seems hard to me - psychological terror does not faze us filmmakers - it is wrestling with Haystack Calhoun these days that wears me out. 
« Last Edit: June 23, 2020, 03:35:43 PM by Gib Papazian »

Jeff Loh

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Re: Does anyone care about where you haven't been and don't want to go?
« Reply #15 on: June 22, 2020, 07:56:00 PM »
Bibi already threw Israel under the bus

John Emerson

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Re: Does anyone care about where you haven't been and don't want to go?
« Reply #16 on: June 22, 2020, 08:29:53 PM »
Anywhere with the word ‘Trump’ in it.
F.


Same. Same. Same.
“There’s links golf, then everything else.”

JMEvensky

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Re: Does anyone care about where you haven't been and don't want to go?
« Reply #17 on: June 22, 2020, 08:31:05 PM »
Kalen,


Since I recently qualified for the Early Bird specials at Denny's, I agree that enduring 18 lashes of self-flagellation at WF West would accomplish nothing but hasten my impending dotage.

In other words - stealing from myself - that golf course had way more pussy than I got dick, back when I had dick. At this point, I've got a better chance sleeping with a Victoria Secret runway model than breaking even-bogey from the ladies tee. 

Which is why the idea of trying to tackle Butler National or Medinah at age 60, with a zipper tattoo on my lower spine, has less allure than hemorrhoid surgery - a subject, like the yips, I'm at loathe to relive.

And speaking of putter palsy, returning to Oakmont might finish me off for good, so I'll stay on this side of the Allegheny River and go play Fox Chapel.

Golf and aging is like tiptoeing down an every narrowing hallway, you can ignore the black monolith at the end of the corridor, but not the fact that no matter how many sets of tees you move forward, you eventually run out of colored blocks before you run out of handicap numbers.

At some point, my self-culling bucket list will be down to a cold Guinness and a fairly benign Irish Pitch & Putt.         

Tom, I'll agree with you about Tillie's greens at WF, except that while the East Course is a walk through an art gallery, listening to a symphony orchestra, the West is like a puke-inducing roller coaster playing punk rock at fill volume, surrounded by a moat full of water moccasins. 



   


     




Thanks for taking the time to type that. I copied/pasted/forwarded it to about 10 guys I grew up playing golf with--each of us now old enough to see it won't be long before we too run out of different colored blocks to play from.

Peter Pallotta

Re: Does anyone care about where you haven't been and don't want to go?
« Reply #18 on: June 22, 2020, 08:43:32 PM »
What's less interesting: hearing about courses we don't want to play, or hearing about ones we do?
If someone who hasn't played it says he doesn't want play Harbour Town, is that more or less interesting than someone who has never played Sweetens Cove or Congaree saying he's just dying to play them?
In short: do we define ourselves more clearly/interestingly by the courses we believe we hate than by those we pretend to love?


John Kavanaugh

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Re: Does anyone care about where you haven't been and don't want to go?
« Reply #19 on: June 22, 2020, 08:56:42 PM »
What's less interesting: hearing about courses we don't want to play, or hearing about ones we do?
If someone who hasn't played it says he doesn't want play Harbour Town, is that more or less interesting than someone who has never played Sweetens Cove or Congaree saying he's just dying to play them?
In short: do we define ourselves more clearly/interestingly by the courses we believe we hate than by those we pretend to love?


That is the difference between watching the news or smelling a flower.

William_G

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Re: Does anyone care about where you haven't been and don't want to go?
« Reply #20 on: June 22, 2020, 08:57:30 PM »
haven't been to Yosemite, WH is very reminiscent, now about the damp fairways ??? ???


Shadow > Wade for golf
It's all about the golf!

Daryl "Turboe" Boe

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Re: Does anyone care about where you haven't been and don't want to go?
« Reply #21 on: June 22, 2020, 09:19:25 PM »
As a Fazioisanado I have asked several people about Wade Hampton. I would have to see it not to love it. I hate that Gil built the elevated tee on the 16th at Rustic Canyon but I do love hitting tee balls down a big hill. I’d love WH, I just know it.


JakaB is John aka Barney.


Gillette Silver is many things but GAg for short most of all.


If you ever make it out here for WH, let me know and we'll have to find a way on Champion Hills GC as well.   Fazio's "home course" if he ever had one as his offices used to be right there near it in Hendersonville, NC.    Is an homage to downhill tee shots.  I may be wrong as it has been a few years since I have been there but I think no less that 12-13 tee shots play at least slightly downhill.  Even if you just have to climb a little bit to a tee carved into a hillside the resulting tee shot is slightly downhill.
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Tim Leahy

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Re: Does anyone care about where you haven't been and don't want to go?
« Reply #22 on: June 22, 2020, 09:59:00 PM »
Never want to play Bandon or Chambers Bay because they don't allow carts and that is the only way I can play. Can't understand why anyone would build a "public" course with walking or riding ONLY.
Gib, back when my knees still worked I flew across the US to walk ANGC for a Wed. practice round and Par 3 tournament. My dad and I walked the backside first and being the old soldier he was kept up with my every step. It was amazing to see in person and 16 green is unbelievable in person as well as the tee view of 12 just to name a few. It is the only course I have ever walked or wanted to without playing. Also the Olympic burger dog kills the pimento cheese sandwich.
I love golf, the fightin irish, and beautiful women depending on the season and availability.

Kyle Harris

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Re: Does anyone care about where you haven't been and don't want to go?
« Reply #23 on: June 23, 2020, 05:19:22 AM »
Any men's club.


It's 2020.


And yes, I know what I said.
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Tim Martin

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Re: Does anyone care about where you haven't been and don't want to go?
« Reply #24 on: June 23, 2020, 07:42:19 AM »
I don’t want to go anywhere that requires a quarantine effort.