[Jerry Kluger]

I believe Tony Nysse can give us some more insight in light of the amazing amount of work that they did at Old Marsh to help drainage and avoid flooding.
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[Anthony_Nysse]

I believe Tony Nysse can give us some more insight in light of the amazing amount of work that they did at Old Marsh to help drainage and avoid flooding.
https://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,62873.0.html

Yes, Jerry. We had Scott Pool  GPS the entire course, down to the 1/10th of an inch. The water level the county held in Old Marsh was 16' 1/2"-that is when the pumping system would come on & removed 15000gals/min off the property & into the canals that dumped in the Mirasol Preserve. So, what we did is rebuild the entire property to be at minimum, 3' above 16' 1/2". While it didn't allow the golf course play firm after heavy rain events, the fairways, waste bunkers & such were not flooded & impassable. Many times, prior to the renovation, multiple fairways & waste bunkers would be flooded for 24-36 (or more) hours after a rain. The only time that you many see standing water in a playing area is on the range, where the pumps need to catch up. They pump 250gals/min. We looked at a massive network of pumps prior to deciding the raise up the property. Even with an elaborate pumping system, the water would still go to an canal outside of the property & when those water levels were high, the pumps basically would have just kept pumping the same water. Raising the property was the right way to go, no doubt.

[Scott Weersing]

Is this course normally open during the summer?


MJ is probably up in Charlotte in the summer


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[Anthony_Nysse]

Is this course normally open during the summer?


MJ is probably up in Charlotte in the summer


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I dont know, as its only been open about a year. Doesn't change the fact that it flooded & built below grade. I understand summer brings more rain, but we had over 20" of rain one night in January when I was at Pine Tree.

[Kalen Braley]

I'm just wondering if the course will actually drain.  Seems like once the water level dips below the lowest entry/exit point to the canal, it won't have anywhere to go...

[Jerry Kluger]

Sounds like they need a consultation from Dr. Nysse.

[John Emerson]

It just doesn’t make any sense to me that people continue to build courses in areas like southern coastal Florida.  Almost every single climate scientist is in agreement that this area, in particular, is prone to devastating effects of rising sea levels and climate change over the next 50-100 years.  San Francisco, Coastal South Florida, New Orleans, Manhattan etc are all at the top of the list of places where the impact will be the greatest the soonest. 

[Anthony_Nysse]

It just doesn’t make any sense to me that people continue to build courses in areas like southern coastal Florida.  Almost every single climate scientist is in agreement that this area, in particular, is prone to devastating effects of rising sea levels and climate change over the next 50-100 years.  San Francisco, Coastal South Florida, New Orleans, Manhattan etc are all at the top of the list of places where the impact will be the greatest the soonest.

It probably didn't make sense to build a golf course surrounded by marsh on 3 sides in a preserve, but it was done. Pete Dye came up with an ingenious plan to move water throughout the property & prevent golf course water from getting into the preserves. It wasn't until the country changed the water levels that forces the hand of the membership. 30yrs after initial construction, the club & it's officials made adjustments to continue the longevity of the Old Marsh, as nature changed. Money, commitment & technology can change many, many things. South Florida is a hotbed for money, golf, people & the pursuit for well presented golf courses. If MJ's course was build above what the setting water levels are, we wouldn't be having this thread.

[John Emerson]

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It just doesn’t make any sense to me that people continue to build courses in areas like southern coastal Florida.  Almost every single climate scientist is in agreement that this area, in particular, is prone to devastating effects of rising sea levels and climate change over the next 50-100 years.  San Francisco, Coastal South Florida, New Orleans, Manhattan etc are all at the top of the list of places where the impact will be the greatest the soonest.

It probably didn't make sense to build a golf course surrounded by marsh on 3 sides in a preserve, but it was done. Pete Dye came up with an ingenious plan to move water throughout the property & prevent golf course water from getting into the preserves. It wasn't until the country changed the water levels that forces the hand of the membership. 30yrs after initial construction, the club & it's officials made adjustments to continue the longevity of the Old Marsh, as nature changed. Money, commitment & technology can change many, many things. South Florida is a hotbed for money, golf, people & the pursuit for well presented golf courses. If MJ's course was build above what the setting water levels are, we wouldn't be having this thread.



Believe me I get it with the people who have tons of money to blow.  But the problem is that many think they can “build” their way out of rising sea levels, and increased intensity of weather events.   It ALWAYS a temporary fix.  Their money, their decision I guess. 

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