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V. Kmetz

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Re: Walking with trolleys
« Reply #125 on: June 18, 2020, 12:00:58 AM »
We are through almost five pages of posts and there are very few negatives against the use of trolleys. 
C'mon, make your points, but give it a rest for godsakes.... this "thread survey" of yours is the flimsiest attempt at personal propaganda this side of #45... you take a thread of 125 posts from 26 unique users, where 7 of the 26 m contributed 91/125 posts...where 14 of the other 17 contributed multiple posts....where Kavity spent 28 posts on his usual wanking... where you have made 18 (or nearly 15%) of the posts...and there's a groundswell? a mandate?  No opposition?   Look in the mirror and tell me what else you see...

And of those 7 "volume" posters, two (2) indeed contended with your position on Mr. President...one nailed it (as KB said) and not a peep from you since, except to duplicate your points from post #1 to post #125, like the you are the Alpha and Omega of hand carts.


Frankly there really shouldn’t be as walking should be encouraged...
Whoa, there slim... you're framing my possible objections to a hand cart as the same objections that would/could discourage walking.  That's not true; a false premise. I can disdain hand carts for a handful of reasons according to context that only address walking as what or how much of a priority.  Tell the course owner or club board whose use of hand carts (so that walking can be encouraged) means a hit from current revenues about how much a priority walking is.

And secondly m'Lord, you have every right to argue for hand carts; you have no authority to preclude disagreement with your position.   And they walk plenty at Top 300 clubs, it's very encouraged, just not with a hand cart


... and if a pull or push cart allows someone to walk who would otherwise have to ride or not play at all they should be allowed!


That vast group....(who are firm enough to walk but not enough to carry or pay/use an available caddie)...how many people are we talking about here?...against how many possible courses they might play (or be a member at) who don't have hand carts available?  It might be less than the five people who contributed 73 of the 125 posts... I take it that all other members of the Bad Shoulder Hand-Cart Cognoscenti "who would otherwise have to ride or not play at all," are only choosing option B ("not play at all") because THEY CHOOSE NOT TO RIDE, NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO PLAY.


Clubs need to get past this old obsolete perception that trolleys are beneath their status!! 


You can tell from my tone what I think you need to get past... this repeated conceit of knowing best for everyone on this meaningless matter. Just down the street from WF, Quaker, Bonnie Briar and Fenway, there's a Westchester County Course called Saxon Woods and two miles or so more north, another County municipal called Maple Moor... they allow and offer hand carts there...why don't you go there?

Did it ever occur to you that many of the men and women of those clubs and many more clubs have used handcarts in their days as a youth golfer or public golfer?  That some (just some, not all) of the attainment of a membership at a first rate course is the arrival at gracious living?...That many people came from the ranks of the public parking lot, the wait for tee times, the hand carts on a rainy slope...and they like the serviced, catered, absence-of-manual labor, big-money way that good fortune or hard work won them, better...?  That it's an improvement from what they had?...  And even to the extent that it's just a visual sight, it brings the place back to the condition you've already visited in life....and in this time of Co-Vid, the sight of hand carts where there has never been one, is a reminder of the absence of normalcy.




However, as caddies have been returning to action here in Westchester County,  the hand cart will be treated as a friend...as initially in the roll-out, club carrying/touching is verboten...so the forecaddie duties with personal rake, divot mix, called yardages and socially distant reads will be the order of the day.

"The tee shot must first be hit straight and long between a vast bunker on the left which whispers 'slice' in the player's ear, and a wilderness on the right which induces a hurried hook." -

Mark Pearce

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Re: Walking with trolleys
« Reply #126 on: June 18, 2020, 03:41:49 AM »
At my last playing some years ago Muirfield in the UK mandated caddie use for guests.
That can't have been in the last 25 years?
In June I will be riding the first three stages of this year's Tour de France route for charity.  630km (394 miles) in three days, with 7800m (25,600 feet) of climbing for the William Wates Memorial Trust (https://rideleloop.org/the-charity/) which supports underprivileged young people.

Mark_Fine

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Re: Walking with trolleys
« Reply #127 on: June 18, 2020, 07:44:30 AM »
V. Kmetz,
Thanks for your thoughts.  They are actually helpful.  If I can summarize it sounds like your main argument against them is the sight of a pull cart is beneath you and if that is your view so be it.   



Actually a major part of my “personal objective” is to help our women golfers (they already have several dozen signed up to protest that are livid about the pull carts being taken away after they were allowed this spring). Many can’t carry their own bags, are still not or were never comfortable taking a caddie, and still want to walk.  They asked for my help since I travel all over the world to play golf.  Pull carts do no damage to the golf course (far less than forcing someone to take golf cart that is for sure), they are revenue neutral (no different at our club than allowing a walker to carry their bag which they are allowed to do), and they will get more people playing that otherwise might just not come out period because they can’t carry and they don’t want to ride! 


We always allowed walking and carrying your own bag after 3PM.  Why wouldn’t you let people who want to walk at that time use a trolley  ???


I love caddies, use them all the time (not right now but eventually will again), and love to walk.  I was just talking to my buddy who is a member at one of my favorite courses, San Francisco GC.  Pretty exclusive place.  They raised $750,000 to help their caddies since they were out of work and they allowed pull carts since their golfers still wanted to walk and couldn’t carry their own bag (oh the horror of seeing a pull cart)  ;)
« Last Edit: June 18, 2020, 08:12:11 AM by Mark_Fine »

Mark Pearce

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Re: Walking with trolleys
« Reply #128 on: June 18, 2020, 07:55:05 AM »
By the way, Reply 125 is possibly the best argument in favour of push trolleys so far on this thread.  Not a single valid reason to not allow them presented.  Play the ball, not the man.
In June I will be riding the first three stages of this year's Tour de France route for charity.  630km (394 miles) in three days, with 7800m (25,600 feet) of climbing for the William Wates Memorial Trust (https://rideleloop.org/the-charity/) which supports underprivileged young people.

Duncan Cheslett

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Re: Walking with trolleys
« Reply #129 on: June 18, 2020, 07:58:49 AM »
I tend to start from a position whereby everything in life should be permissible unless there is a damn good reason why it shouldn't be. "Banning things" is generally a bad idea.


I cannot think of a single good reason why golf trolleys should be banned anywhere. No-one on this thread has come up with one, either.


« Last Edit: June 18, 2020, 08:04:43 AM by Duncan Cheslett »

Duncan Cheslett

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Re: Walking with trolleys
« Reply #130 on: June 18, 2020, 08:07:04 AM »
At my last playing some years ago Muirfield in the UK mandated caddie use for guests.
That can't have been in the last 25 years?


Is there a single golf course in the UK that mandates the use of caddies or precludes the use of trolleys?

Duncan Cheslett

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Re: Walking with trolleys
« Reply #131 on: June 18, 2020, 08:22:37 AM »
Did it ever occur to you that many of the men and women of those clubs and many more clubs have used handcarts in their days as a youth golfer or public golfer?  That some (just some, not all) of the attainment of a membership at a first rate course is the arrival at gracious living?...That many people came from the ranks of the public parking lot, the wait for tee times, the hand carts on a rainy slope...and they like the serviced, catered, absence-of-manual labor, big-money way that good fortune or hard work won them, better...?  That it's an improvement from what they had?...  And even to the extent that it's just a visual sight, it brings the place back to the condition you've already visited in life....and in this time of Co-Vid, the sight of hand carts where there has never been one, is a reminder of the absence of normalcy.




I've never read such elitist tosh!


I have just "attained" full 7-day membership of a top 20 course in England - top 50 in GB&I. Recognised as one of the best links courses in the world.


My Motocaddy will be made more than welcome.


FWIW my membership cost me $717 for the rest of the year - including the initiation fee. Just call me Mr Smug!  ;D
« Last Edit: June 18, 2020, 08:26:55 AM by Duncan Cheslett »

Mark_Fine

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Re: Walking with trolleys
« Reply #132 on: June 18, 2020, 09:43:57 AM »
Let's just hope grocery carts are not banned and people are forced to lug silk bags over their shoulders to carry their groceries around  :o


I have to laugh, I just noticed that one of the paintings in my study is from Sunningdale Old outside London.  It is a 10 in my opinion on the Doak scale.  The painting has two golfers walking down the 18th fairway.  One golfer has his bag over his shoulder and the other is pulling a trolley  :)
« Last Edit: June 18, 2020, 10:09:28 AM by Mark_Fine »

Bernie Bell

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Re: Walking with trolleys
« Reply #133 on: June 18, 2020, 09:57:00 AM »
Let's just hope grocery carts are not banned and people are forced to lug silk bags over their shoulders to carrying their groceries around  :o


I have to laugh, I just noticed that one of the paintings in my study is from Sunningdale Old outside London.  It is a 10 in my opinion on the Doak scale.  The painting has two golfers walking down the 18th fairway.  One golfer has his bag over his shoulder and the other is pulling a trolley  :)


In knee-high socks?

Bernie Bell

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Re: Walking with trolleys
« Reply #134 on: June 18, 2020, 10:07:07 AM »
I tend to start from a position whereby everything in life should be permissible unless there is a damn good reason why it shouldn't be. "Banning things" is generally a bad idea.


I cannot think of a single good reason why golf trolleys should be banned anywhere. No-one on this thread has come up with one, either.


Yes but next thing you know golfers will be changing shoes in the parking lot and asking to have lunch in the carvery without a jacket.  And then where would golf be.

Mark Pearce

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Re: Walking with trolleys
« Reply #135 on: June 18, 2020, 10:25:31 AM »
I tend to start from a position whereby everything in life should be permissible unless there is a damn good reason why it shouldn't be. "Banning things" is generally a bad idea.


I cannot think of a single good reason why golf trolleys should be banned anywhere. No-one on this thread has come up with one, either.


Yes but next thing you know golfers will be changing shoes in the parking lot and asking to have lunch in the carvery without a jacket.  And then where would golf be.
My home club, which is smug above its station and considers itself the "smartest" club in the county (that's probably right, though) has mandated changing your shoes in the car park during the Covid crisis!
In June I will be riding the first three stages of this year's Tour de France route for charity.  630km (394 miles) in three days, with 7800m (25,600 feet) of climbing for the William Wates Memorial Trust (https://rideleloop.org/the-charity/) which supports underprivileged young people.

Thomas Dai

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Re: Walking with trolleys
« Reply #136 on: June 18, 2020, 10:33:11 AM »
Seems like the golf world has gone completely off its trolley.
atb
:)

Mark Mammel

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Re: Walking with trolleys
« Reply #137 on: June 18, 2020, 11:49:32 AM »
At my last playing some years ago Muirfield in the UK mandated caddie use for guests.
That can't have been in the last 25 years?
You are correct sir! I see from the Muirfield website that caddies are available but not required for guests these days. Re trolleys- The Old Course doesn't allow trolleys for rounds before noon.
So much golf to play, so little time....

Mark

Dave McCollum

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Re: Walking with trolleys
« Reply #138 on: June 18, 2020, 08:02:32 PM »
It's funny the traditions golfers create.  No trolleys, no dogs, no denim, no kids, no carts, and so on.  I've heard them all and find most ridiculous.  I don't now, but for most of my golfing life I've had a golf dog, a well trained Australian Shepard perfectly under my control.  It's main job beyond enjoying itself in dog heaven--a golf course--was to discourage Canada geese from taking up residence.  Dogs are the only real solution, but around here coyotes are also useful, yet a little more lethal to the geese.  So, for decades I listened to golfers bitch about my dog not being appropriate for golf.  At least at my home course, there wasn't much they could do about it.  I owned the course.  And over time we've allowed dogs and had zero problems.  However, back in the day when dog debates were happening, I decided to go to Scotland to play some golf and learn about some other traditions of the game.


I do my own travel plans.  I arrived in Edinburgh, rented a car, and drove to St. Andrews, on my way to Aberdeen, without a map or GPS as if I knew what I was doing, parked in the links parking lot, and walked to the first tee of the Old Course.  It was sublime, a perfect golf journey.  The first thing I saw was a golfer teeing off with his golf dog and pulling a trolley.  It was an affirmation of all I thought golf should be and, there in the home of golf, an epiphany I got it right.  I was hooked.  This was my game.  Forget all of the pretensions, this game was good for your soul and well being.  That golfer and his dog did it for me.                   

Chris Kane

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Re: Walking with trolleys
« Reply #139 on: June 18, 2020, 08:30:15 PM »
Did it ever occur to you that many of the men and women of those clubs and many more clubs have used handcarts in their days as a youth golfer or public golfer?  That some (just some, not all) of the attainment of a membership at a first rate course is the arrival at gracious living?...That many people came from the ranks of the public parking lot, the wait for tee times, the hand carts on a rainy slope...and they like the serviced, catered, absence-of-manual labor, big-money way that good fortune or hard work won them, better...?  That it's an improvement from what they had?... 


As lucid a description of the American dream as I've seen in 20 years on golfclubatlas.com: That a golfer is not constrained by the circumstances of their early golfing life, and through hard work and fortune can escape the indignity of using (or even laying eyes on) a pull cart forever.

Rob Marshall

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Re: Walking with trolleys
« Reply #140 on: June 18, 2020, 08:49:24 PM »
It's funny the traditions golfers create.  No trolleys, no dogs, no denim, no kids, no carts, and so on.  I've heard them all and find most ridiculous.  I don't now, but for most of my golfing life I've had a golf dog, a well trained Australian Shepard perfectly under my control.  It's main job beyond enjoying itself in dog heaven--a golf course--was to discourage Canada geese from taking up residence.  Dogs are the only real solution, but around here coyotes are also useful, yet a little more lethal to the geese.  So, for decades I listened to golfers bitch about my dog not being appropriate for golf.  At least at my home course, there wasn't much they could do about it.  I owned the course.  And over time we've allowed dogs and had zero problems.  However, back in the day when dog debates were happening, I decided to go to Scotland to play some golf and learn about some other traditions of the game.


I do my own travel plans.  I arrived in Edinburgh, rented a car, and drove to St. Andrews, on my way to Aberdeen, without a map or GPS as if I knew what I was doing, parked in the links parking lot, and walked to the first tee of the Old Course.  It was sublime, a perfect golf journey.  The first thing I saw was a golfer teeing off with his golf dog and pulling a trolley.  It was an affirmation of all I thought golf should be and, there in the home of golf, an epiphany I got it right.  I was hooked.  This was my game.  Forget all of the pretensions, this game was good for your soul and well being.  That golfer and his dog did it for me.                 


I love dogs but having to take your dog on the golf course is ridiculous. What if someone you get paired with is afraid of dogs? You can’t be away from your dog for a few hours?


Same as playing music. If only you can hear it no problem . I don’t want to hear it 2 fairways over. Rant over
If life gives you limes, make margaritas.” Jimmy Buffett

Mark_Fine

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Re: Walking with trolleys
« Reply #141 on: June 18, 2020, 09:39:01 PM »
Dave,
The first time I played Cruden Bay in Scotland, we are on like the forth tee and we allowed a two ball to play through.  They were playing some kind of club championship match and the one gentlemen had his dog tied to his trolley  :o  I thought, wow, they have it right over here.  How cool is that.
Mark

Rob Marshall

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Re: Walking with trolleys
« Reply #142 on: June 18, 2020, 10:07:04 PM »
Dave,
The first time I played Cruden Bay in Scotland, we are on like the forth tee and we allowed a two ball to play through.  They were playing some kind of club championship match and the one gentlemen had his dog tied to his trolley  :o  I thought, wow, they have it right over here.  How cool is that.
Mark


Wonderful, you can bring your dog but you need to wear tube socks. Makes sense.
If life gives you limes, make margaritas.” Jimmy Buffett

mike_beene

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Re: Walking with trolleys
« Reply #143 on: June 18, 2020, 11:09:53 PM »
All it took for us to get push carts was our more socially prominent neighbor approving them. We borrowed one and took it to the meeting. A good visual aid works wonders. Been happily pushing 10 years and our 10 dollar trolley fee probably makes much more than an electric cart for the club.

Mark Pearce

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Re: Walking with trolleys
« Reply #144 on: June 19, 2020, 12:20:12 AM »
Dave,
The first time I played Cruden Bay in Scotland, we are on like the forth tee and we allowed a two ball to play through.  They were playing some kind of club championship match and the one gentlemen had his dog tied to his trolley  :o  I thought, wow, they have it right over here.  How cool is that.
Mark


Wonderful, you can bring your dog but you need to wear tube socks. Makes sense.
Actually, Cruden Bay allows jeans in the clubhouse.  Sorry to disappoint.
In June I will be riding the first three stages of this year's Tour de France route for charity.  630km (394 miles) in three days, with 7800m (25,600 feet) of climbing for the William Wates Memorial Trust (https://rideleloop.org/the-charity/) which supports underprivileged young people.

Mark Pearce

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Re: Walking with trolleys
« Reply #145 on: June 19, 2020, 12:22:39 AM »
Dave,
The first time I played Cruden Bay in Scotland, we are on like the forth tee and we allowed a two ball to play through.  They were playing some kind of club championship match and the one gentlemen had his dog tied to his trolley  :o  I thought, wow, they have it right over here.  How cool is that.
Mark


Wonderful, you can bring your dog but you need to wear tube socks. Makes sense.
Actually, Cruden Bay allows jeans in the clubhouse.  Sorry to disappoint.
Elie, on the other hand, allows dogs (and provides bowls for them) and push trolleys (but not carts, without a medical exemption) but does require knee length socks.  Sure that'll make you feel better.


It doesn't allow stretch denim, either.
In June I will be riding the first three stages of this year's Tour de France route for charity.  630km (394 miles) in three days, with 7800m (25,600 feet) of climbing for the William Wates Memorial Trust (https://rideleloop.org/the-charity/) which supports underprivileged young people.

V. Kmetz

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Re: Walking with trolleys
« Reply #146 on: June 19, 2020, 01:13:10 AM »

As lucid a description of the American dream as I've seen in 20 years on golfclubatlas.com: That a golfer is not constrained by the circumstances of their early golfing life, and through hard work and fortune can escape the indignity of using (or even laying eyes on) a pull cart forever.


Thank you but however lucid, I fear you still got it plenty cloudy...I didn't say indignity, that's your word  and I said it was an aspect, of some of the people who attain privileges at a reputable club and course, not the whole federal enchilada of your American dream.... do you know any wealthy first rate club members who played shit courses like Mosholu, Van Cortlandt Park, Eisenhower Park, Dyer Beach, Pine Tree, 9 hole dumps, as a youth and early adult?  I do.

In any event, take a good look at this photo chaps... you may remember the circumstance of this fellow from 2010 who bought practice round tickets to the Masters in his own country for the equivalent of $700...and after a trans ocean flight from another day's time zone dutifully showed up for his practice round at the North Gate....take a good look...



Is this photo funny in part because he is the biggest dumbass to walk the earth?
Is this photo funny in part because good comedy comes from a foreigner being out his element?
And yes, isn't this photo funny because this dumbass, out of his element, was so particularly oblivious as to think he was going to scoot his pullcart at Augusta National, like it was the shitbag mountain slope public course he has to wait 22 days to play in the Pearl of the Orient?

It would be funnier if...no.... they are willing to let him play, but only if he rides a cart...and he, like that no-ride knucklehead mentioned eons ago, refuses...and insists on being able to take a pull-cart...and THAT's when Pinkerton breaks the strikers...


V. Kmetz,
Thanks for your thoughts.  They are actually helpful.  If I can summarize it sounds like your main argument against them is the sight of a pull cart is beneath you and if that is your view so be it.


Jesus, stop it, you have had 20 chances and took them all to make your point THAT was my argument... I could care less about pull carts; but you have made your point, the first post was the same as #125 and 6 others contributed like 80% of the thread...7 or 8 people talking about the same no-GCA, OT, first-world problem thing.  And while I was watching that, there you went in #125, claiming a mandate for your position, one which 28% of the volume posters  were actually contending with you...Jesus stop it.

....and here again in this post "beneath you" as if those were my words...stop characterizing.


Actually a major part of my “personal objective” is to help our women golfers (they already have several dozen signed up to protest that are livid about the pull carts being taken away after they were allowed this spring). Many can’t carry their own bags, are still not or were never comfortable taking a caddie, and still want to walk.  They asked for my help since I travel all over the world to play golf.  Pull carts do no damage to the golf course (far less than forcing someone to take golf cart that is for sure), they are revenue neutral (no different at our club than allowing a walker to carry their bag which they are allowed to do), and they will get more people playing that otherwise might just not come out period because they can’t carry and they don’t want to ride! 


So help them and leave us be; but how do your 20 posts here help them achieve their comforts there?...and wait, let me get this scenario straight...

....60 (several dozen) + women...?
....who don't want to ride, but walk?
....who don't want walk with a caddie?
... who want to play after 3 (when caddies are not required)?
... with a pull cart?
... who are livid (if I had a nickel for every time a time wasting contratemps at country clubs have started with the context..."the women are livid"...)
....because an emergency policy to permit pull carts is now rescinded as the emergency quells?

Me and several dozen ten thousand of my tribe are livid that we don't have a universal basic income...we got our stimulus just fine.... another in the works...small businesses given a booster... employment incentives totally socialized... curbside pick up works fine... telecommuting just fine....; let's just have 2020 be the model going forward...

Will they also be livid when the hour to use them is not moved to 2 o clock...?  (We did just fine at 3, what's an hour).... then noon... then Tuesdays and Thursdays all day?....

for goodness sake will you recognize that the far GREATER injustice is when a cart is forbidden to a disabled player, an injured player or player who merely wishes to ride (like you and the women at your club, merely wish) has plunked down an outing/guest fee for a course and can't ride it, or the indignity of having to produce a medical certificate (or the easily corrupted cousin of easily obtaining a medical certificate from any quack ... or even produces the medical certificate, but because it rained 1/3rd of an inch 9 hours before the outing, the Top 25 super of a course that has 30 million dollars of drainage it where the fairways roll like 8s in a hurricane, says its too wet for any carts...

Your cause is just a wish, a want

We always allowed walking and carrying your own bag after 3PM.  Why wouldn’t you let people who want to walk at that time use a trolley  ???


I love caddies, use them all the time (not right now but eventually will again), and love to walk.  I was just talking to my buddy who is a member at one of my favorite courses, San Francisco GC.  Pretty exclusive place.  They raised $750,000 to help their caddies since they were out of work and they allowed pull carts since their golfers still wanted to walk and couldn’t carry their own bag (oh the horror of seeing a pull cart)  ;)


The members of the best places are indeed VERY generous...SFGC is no solo flyer.... and I've heard of little problem recognizing the good band-aid of pull carts; but when the emergency abates, why shouldn't policies return to their status before the emergency?  My bathroom commode tank was out of service for two weeks, a month ago, so I used the other bathroom, or if it was #1 I took a piss outside...both fine temporary solutions... doesn't mean I'm still doing it once the thing was fixed...
"The tee shot must first be hit straight and long between a vast bunker on the left which whispers 'slice' in the player's ear, and a wilderness on the right which induces a hurried hook." -

Chris Kane

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Re: Walking with trolleys
« Reply #147 on: June 19, 2020, 01:21:30 AM »
Thank you but however lucid, I fear you still got it plenty cloudy...I didn't say indignity, that's your word  and I said it was an aspect, of some of the people who attain privileges at a reputable club and course, not the whole federal enchilada of your American dream.... do you know any wealthy first rate club members who played shit courses like Mosholu, Van Cortlandt Park, Eisenhower Park, Dyer Beach, Pine Tree, 9 hole dumps, as a youth and early adult?  I do.



I live in Australia mate, so the answer is no. We try to hide our obsession with class a little better than you do.

Sean_A

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Re: Walking with trolleys
« Reply #148 on: June 19, 2020, 02:42:00 AM »
It's funny the traditions golfers create.  No trolleys, no dogs, no denim, no kids, no carts, and so on.  I've heard them all and find most ridiculous.  I don't now, but for most of my golfing life I've had a golf dog, a well trained Australian Shepard perfectly under my control.  It's main job beyond enjoying itself in dog heaven--a golf course--was to discourage Canada geese from taking up residence.  Dogs are the only real solution, but around here coyotes are also useful, yet a little more lethal to the geese.  So, for decades I listened to golfers bitch about my dog not being appropriate for golf.  At least at my home course, there wasn't much they could do about it.  I owned the course.  And over time we've allowed dogs and had zero problems.  However, back in the day when dog debates were happening, I decided to go to Scotland to play some golf and learn about some other traditions of the game.

I do my own travel plans.  I arrived in Edinburgh, rented a car, and drove to St. Andrews, on my way to Aberdeen, without a map or GPS as if I knew what I was doing, parked in the links parking lot, and walked to the first tee of the Old Course.  It was sublime, a perfect golf journey.  The first thing I saw was a golfer teeing off with his golf dog and pulling a trolley.  It was an affirmation of all I thought golf should be and, there in the home of golf, an epiphany I got it right.  I was hooked.  This was my game.  Forget all of the pretensions, this game was good for your soul and well being.  That golfer and his dog did it for me.                 

I love dogs but having to take your dog on the golf course is ridiculous. What if someone you get paired with is afraid of dogs? You can’t be away from your dog for a few hours?

Same as playing music. If only you can hear it no problem . I don’t want to hear it 2 fairways over. Rant over

The places in the UK which allow dogs are private. If you don't like the policy don't turn up. That said, there is a serious dog culture in the UK. Brits love their dogs... a lot. I am not a big fan of dogs because I have been bitten badly in the past. However, I am the sort that will tolerate a well trained dog, but it would be nice to be asked if I mind a dog coming along for golf. If it was that big a concern for me I would pipe up if I know in advance. Though to be honest, I haven't noticed any issues with dogs while playing. The problems are usually from dog walkers on the course that aren't playing. Even then it's usually just a loose puppy or something like that. Not big deal. I am generally 100% in favour of multiple use for golf courses which includes grazing and walkers.

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Re: Walking with trolleys
« Reply #149 on: June 19, 2020, 07:12:30 AM »
We have had the dog discussion on this site many times in the past. Seems there is a cultural divide as they are generally allowed across the pond but not in the U.S. Personally I like dogs but don’t need or want them on the golf course. Golf needs fewer distractions.