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MCirba

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The Future of Scorecards
« on: April 30, 2020, 03:20:40 PM »
As a collector of scorecards since I started the game back on July 13, 1971, I've been somewhat concerned in recent years that such needless expense would be going the way of the dinosaur due to technology and online scoring.   

With the pandemic, this seems more likely to happen sooner than I'd feared.  I can see much like music no longer needing to be anything but virtual and cloud based, the added potential of passing germs on a surface such as a scorecard may be the tipping point.

Still, as someone who collected a card from every course I've played (1,132 to date), plus have another big box of different style cards from courses I played more than once, and another of courses I never played but still acquired a scorecard, I find it a sad soon to come passing.   I find them to be valuable memorable souvenirs that a virtual log could never really sentimentally replace.
« Last Edit: April 30, 2020, 03:23:06 PM by MCirba »
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John Kavanaugh

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Re: The Future of Scorecards
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2020, 03:30:04 PM »
You just can't keep track of a betting game on electronic devices. I don't even write numbers down on a card any longer because I don't think it is anyones business what I shoot. I use a - for a birdie and a \ for a bogey. There is no way I'm going to input score and money on an electronic GPS module so the boys behind the counter can track who is winning or losing. It's bad enough they know how fast we are playing. One good thing about this pandemic, it is revitalizing the art of privacy.

Pete_Pittock

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Re: The Future of Scorecards
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2020, 04:20:31 PM »
You choice of memorabilia from golf courses is certainly more convenient and storable than mine; however, I think my choice has more longevity in golf, both in history and the future- golf balls.

Tom_Doak

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Re: The Future of Scorecards
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2020, 05:00:22 PM »
You just can't keep track of a betting game on electronic devices.


Oh, pshaw.  They used to say the same thing about voting, but the Democrats proved that to be silly in Iowa this year.  ;)

Michael Wolf

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Re: The Future of Scorecards
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2020, 05:44:15 PM »
You just can't keep track of a betting game on electronic devices. I don't even write numbers down on a card any longer because I don't think it is anyones business what I shoot. I use a - for a birdie and a \ for a bogey. There is no way I'm going to input score and money on an electronic GPS module so the boys behind the counter can track who is winning or losing. It's bad enough they know how fast we are playing. One good thing about this pandemic, it is revitalizing the art of privacy.


John, I'm somewhat surprised to learn you don't make your opponents settle up after every hole...

Steve_ Shaffer

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Re: The Future of Scorecards
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2020, 06:10:25 PM »
I had a small collection of yardage books that became obsolete with the advent of GPS. The only one that remains is the one from  Sunnylands, the Annenberg estate course in La Quinta, CA, designed by Dick Wilson in 1965 with a recent  renovation by Jackson/Kahn
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John Kavanaugh

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Re: The Future of Scorecards
« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2020, 06:53:35 PM »
You just can't keep track of a betting game on electronic devices. I don't even write numbers down on a card any longer because I don't think it is anyones business what I shoot. I use a - for a birdie and a \ for a bogey. There is no way I'm going to input score and money on an electronic GPS module so the boys behind the counter can track who is winning or losing. It's bad enough they know how fast we are playing. One good thing about this pandemic, it is revitalizing the art of privacy.


John, I'm somewhat surprised to learn you don't make your opponents settle up after every hole...


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Steve_ Shaffer

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Re: The Future of Scorecards
« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2020, 07:06:53 PM »
I don't remember seeing an ATM machine in Merion's club house.
"Some of us worship in churches, some in synagogues, some on golf courses ... "  Adlai Stevenson
Hyman Roth to Michael Corleone: "We're bigger than US Steel."
Ben Hogan “The most important shot in golf is the next one”

John Kavanaugh

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Re: The Future of Scorecards
« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2020, 07:18:56 PM »
I don't remember seeing an ATM machine in Merion's club house.


This would be the perfect time to be a member of Merion. How long can the excuse that we aren't allowing guest play hold up? I'm not a member but if I was I'd just hit up Wayne for a loan.

MCirba

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Re: The Future of Scorecards
« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2020, 07:50:31 PM »
We are drifting far afield from the topic...all good.  Stay safe, friends.
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Erik J. Barzeski

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Re: The Future of Scorecards
« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2020, 08:01:26 PM »
I think, like the handshake, the death of scorecards is very premature.
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MCirba

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Re: The Future of Scorecards
« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2020, 08:07:27 PM »
I think, like the handshake, the death of scorecards is very premature.


I hope you're right on both counts, Erik.
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Pete_Pittock

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Re: The Future of Scorecards
« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2020, 08:21:10 PM »
Read somewhere that the PGA Tour feels shot link technology is near the forefront on essential services for the return of tour play.
The reason is the nexus of that with their gambling technology. Which begs the question of what happens to any wager if what clearly happens is at odds with a score caused by scorecard error.  My bet is the scorecard is the loser, or at least some gambler or gambling house will take something to court.


 

Pete_Pittock

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Re: The Future of Scorecards
« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2020, 08:27:55 PM »
When I was on vacation in Australia earlier this year I ran across a system where the pro-shop would print out an individual card, which would show tees, handicap for that round, etc. Player would keep score and then scan the card into a reader where it would be attested and accepted. I think it might have been similar to MiClub's MiScore app, which is used at Royal Melbourneand about 30 other Australian courses.
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jeffwarne

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Re: The Future of Scorecards
« Reply #14 on: May 01, 2020, 12:26:14 AM »
I think, like the handshake, the death of scorecards is very premature.


I hope you're right on both counts, Erik.


I think I may just be done with handshakes....
Cause the one thing I'm reminded of almost daily in the last two months....is how bad the flu is....
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Ian Mackenzie

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Re: The Future of Scorecards
« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2020, 07:42:57 AM »
I think, like the handshake, the death of scorecards is very premature.


+1.


Deferred for brief period of time until the freak out subsides.

John Kavanaugh

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Re: The Future of Scorecards
« Reply #16 on: May 01, 2020, 08:15:15 AM »
I would not have believed that private clubs would give up the fight on tucked shirts. The handshake is toast.


I'm not all that interested in practicing an ancient custom with some hat donning flip flop wearing untucked 28 handicap over a can of beer.

Tim Martin

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Re: The Future of Scorecards
« Reply #17 on: May 01, 2020, 08:16:32 AM »
The “attest” or witness part of scoring requiring an additional signature on the card will be at issue in the near term.

Tim Gavrich

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Re: The Future of Scorecards
« Reply #18 on: May 01, 2020, 10:51:53 AM »
The Saturday quota/skins game I play in resumes tomorrow, with scoring being done on the GolfGenius app. I've been given the option - and declined it - to use the app in a couple tournaments in the last couple years, but tomorrow it's mandatory. It will be interesting to see how it all goes.
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Tom_Doak

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Re: The Future of Scorecards
« Reply #19 on: May 01, 2020, 12:19:55 PM »
When I was on vacation in Australia earlier this year I ran across a system where the pro-shop would print out an individual card, which would show tees, handicap for that round, etc.


Yes, I have seen some crazy things like that in Australia and New Zealand both.


One scorecard had ovals to blacken for your score for each hole, comparable to standardized tests in America, so it could be read by an optical scanner.


I first saw the bespoke printing of scorecards at a small club in NZ that had been doing some renovation work.  They printed a scorecard for the day that took into account not just the tee of the day, but also the hole location!  And so you had the hole location right on the card instead of needing a pin sheet.

Pete_Pittock

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Re: The Future of Scorecards
« Reply #20 on: May 01, 2020, 02:11:54 PM »
When I was on vacation in Australia earlier this year I ran across a system where the pro-shop would print out an individual card, which would show tees, handicap for that round, etc.


Yes, I have seen some crazy things like that in Australia and New Zealand both.


One scorecard had ovals to blacken for your score for each hole, comparable to standardized tests in America, so it could be read by an optical scanner.


I first saw the bespoke printing of scorecards at a small club in NZ that had been doing some renovation work.  They printed a scorecard for the day that took into account not just the tee of the day, but also the hole location!  And so you had the hole location right on the card instead of needing a pin sheet.
I forwarded the system with ovals to blacken for your score to our state golf association, thinking it would solve some problems

Pete_Pittock

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Re: The Future of Scorecards
« Reply #21 on: May 02, 2020, 05:21:56 PM »
Our club is having our first men's club tournament this soggy day. At the end of the round you are supposed to take a picture of the scorecard and forward that to the people in charge.

John Kavanaugh

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Re: The Future of Scorecards
« Reply #22 on: May 02, 2020, 05:24:40 PM »
Our club is having our first men's club tournament this soggy day. At the end of the round you are supposed to take a picture of the scorecard and forward that to the people in charge.


Does a ball have to come to rest in a hole to count?

Kalen Braley

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Re: The Future of Scorecards
« Reply #23 on: May 02, 2020, 05:46:36 PM »
Our club is having our first men's club tournament this soggy day. At the end of the round you are supposed to take a picture of the scorecard and forward that to the people in charge.


Does a ball have to come to rest in a hole to count?


That's a great question john.  Even on the macro level, if you hit a worm burner screamer on a par 3 and it hits the upside down cup...is that a HIO when no way in hell it goes in otherwise, and likely wouldn't even result in a birdie?




Pete_Pittock

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Re: The Future of Scorecards
« Reply #24 on: May 02, 2020, 07:17:11 PM »
Our club is having our first men's club tournament this soggy day. At the end of the round you are supposed to take a picture of the scorecard and forward that to the people in charge.


Does a ball have to come to rest in a hole to count?
Since every cup-liner is raised an inch above the green it would be rather stupid to have it rest in the hole to count. Since I am not playing, and have no financial outcome, I don't care what are the rules of the day.