[David_Tepper]

https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/26/passengers-flying-uk-airports-set-14-days-quarantine-12611459/

Good luck arriving with a set of golf clubs!

[jeffwarne]

Probably be a premium on 6am tee times

[Tom_Doak]

Wow.  I had expected this from Ireland, and wondered how they were going to stop people sneaking in via Belfast. 


Now it's only the Brits they'll have to worry about!

[Pete_Pittock]

maybe if you are able to quarantine at a dormie house?   I read UK/England was having a particular problem with private planes

[Peter Pallotta]

I imagine these specific restrictions won't be lifted (nationally) until all restrictions are lifted (internationally). And, while I don't know how it will impact golf/golf industry/tourism, I imagine that post lock-downs national & sub-national gov'ts around the world will be introducing incentives and policies and messaging re: 'work & play at home' eg California boosting support for its film & television industry so that production stays there instead of, say, in Canada or in right-to-work states.

Does anyone here, especially private club members, think they'll feel a greater obligation in the coming months (and years?) to stay & play & pay locally?

[Mark_Fine]

Strange new world.  Many countries have this restriction and in fact multiple states in the US have it as well.  Basically they don’t want people from certain states, New York for example, traveling outside the state.  They are “required” you to self quarantine for 14 days if you do.  In other words - stay home unless you have to travel.

[Tom_Doak]

I imagine these specific restrictions won't be lifted (nationally) until all restrictions are lifted (internationally). And, while I don't know how it will impact golf/golf industry/tourism, I imagine that post lock-downs national & sub-national gov'ts around the world will be introducing incentives and policies and messaging re: 'work & play at home' eg California boosting support for its film & television industry so that production stays there instead of, say, in Canada or in right-to-work states.

Does anyone here, especially private club members, think they'll feel a greater obligation in the coming months (and years?) to stay & play & pay locally?

I'm a member of a private club, and I don't see the situation there changing much, unless we lose a significant % of members who can't afford to pay the dues.  I think that will happen at lots of clubs in the U.S., but not at the top tier.  I won't feel an obligation to play more at home, but I'd guess I will play there more this year and next, since I'll be home for weeks or months at a time in between trips.



For sure, the tourism business [of which golf is one piece] will be far different until there is a vaccine or a foolproof testing regime -- and I think people are wildly over-optimistic about how long that will take, since we don't know yet if it's even possible.  There will be a huge impact in places like Ireland and Scotland, where clubs depend on visitor revenue to keep the locals' dues in line -- and where those visitor fees have been priced for Americans.


And how many people really want to get on a plane every month now, like some of us used to?  The virus will have a definite effect on how I do business, and where I choose to work in future.


The hesitancy to travel by air will also hurt places like Bandon Dunes and Cape Kidnappers, but probably help places like Sand Valley and Kohler and northern Michigan, whose target markets are mostly within driving distance.  Plus, if you're not taking that trip to the UK this summer, you'll probably go somewhere closer to home instead.

[Greg Gilson]

The government imposed travel restrictions are 1 thing. However, what I have noticed with my clients (I operate a boutique golf travel business for travel out from Australia) is that they are more concerned about the unavailability of appropriate travel insurance. Even if/when travel bans or entry restrictions are not in place, my clients will not travel until they know they will be covered for CV related claims.

[Mark Pearce]

Let's be clear here.  This is a story saying that the UK is considering doing what most other countries did a while ago.  It's hardly surprising or unusual.  What's notable is the continuing incompetence of a government that failed to do this 4 weeks ago!

[Jon Wiggett]

Correct Mark. I am amazed that there hasn't been a 14 day quarantine in place already. What seems to have completely been missed by DT is that all golf clubs in the UK are closed so there is no golf to be played 

[Tim Martin]

Golf is a slice of the vacation travel pie that will absolutely get smaller until there is a vaccine. I think Tom Doak’s assertion that resorts that can be easily accessed by car will rule the day. When personal health is at issue there are a lot of reasons to say no.

[Colin Macqueen]

Jon and Mark,
You are right on the money. We just managed to scrape our way back to Oz before a four week mandatory stay in New Zealand was enacted on the 28th. March. Arriving in Brisbane 6 hours before 2 weeks isolation in a hotel room was de rigeur for anyone arriving from overseas. Got home to Pullenvale where the drawbridge had to be pulled up for 14 days self-isolation. No going past the front gate or fence line. Just wrapped that up and am amazed the UK did not have this type of restriction in place 3-4 weeks ago.
Cheers Colin


Edit:Just corrected Jon's name!

[David_Tepper]

Jon W. -

I am very well aware golf is currently not being played in the U.K. It would not surprise me if playing golf by the local populations, with some provisions regarding social distancing, does become allowed within the next month or two.

That is a separate question from how long the 14-day quarantine for visitors entering the U.K. will last. My guess is locals will be allowed to play golf some time before visitors will be allowed to enter the U.K. without a quarantine.

DT

[Lou_Duran]

Jon W. -

I am very well aware golf is currently not being played in the U.K. It would not surprise me if playing golf by the local populations, with some provisions regarding social distancing, does become allowed within the next month or two.

That is a separate question from how long the 14-day quarantine for visitors entering the U.K. will last. My guess is locals will be allowed to play golf some time before visitors will be allowed to enter the U.K. without a quarantine.

DT

Care to venture when we will be able to travel to the Highlands?  Is the Carnegie Shield not a foregone conclusion?  Sounds like it may be at risk.

[David_Tepper]

Lou D. -

Based on what I am reading in the local press, the people in the Highlands currently do not want anyone to come visit, either from other parts of Scotland or elsewhere in the U.K. Who knows when that will change and when the quarantine on people visiting the U.K. will be lifted?

Whether the Carnegie Shield gets played this year remains to be seen. We have plans to return to Dornoch on August 27. I sure hope Norwegian Air is still in business then and we can go.

DT

[Dan_Callahan]

I'm already canceling my travel arrangements for Ireland this summer. Was planning on spending July in and around Donegal, but it seems exceedingly unlikely travel/restaurant/quarantine restrictions will be lifted by then ... at least not to the extent that such a trip would be enjoyable. I'm hoping that at least within the US, travel opens up enough this summer so that I could road trip through CO, WY and MT instead. But I'm not going to hold my breath.

[Thomas Dai]

Is there perhaps some jumping the gun here regarding the possibility of quarantine upon entering the UK?
The Metro article highlighted in the first post says - "Ministers hope the restrictions, which could be implemented next month"  (my underlining) - note the use of the words "hope" and "could".

By the way, has anyone made any enquiries into health insurance for overseas air travel and periods spent outside their normal country?
atb

PS - there are presently noises emanating from some golf organisations and newspapers that golf may be permitted with certain limitations in the UK from circa mid-May. Whether you wish to hold your breath on this one is up to you though.

[Ally Mcintosh]

Golf, singles tennis, track & field plus singlehanded sailing are 4 of the sports being discussed in Ireland on May 5th when next lockdown decision is made.


Somehow I think they might extend another 2 weeks before any relaxation.

[Jon Wiggett]

Jon W. -

I am very well aware golf is currently not being played in the U.K. It would not surprise me if playing golf by the local populations, with some provisions regarding social distancing, does become allowed within the next month or two.

That is a separate question from how long the 14-day quarantine for visitors entering the U.K. will last. My guess is locals will be allowed to play golf some time before visitors will be allowed to enter the U.K. without a quarantine.

DT

David,


to date there is NO quarantine for people entering the UK. I hope this clears that up.


Lou,


I believe Scottish Golf has cancelled all its major competitions for this year but I am not sure what will happen with the Carnegie Shield which is run by RDGC I believe. It is possible that it maybe played at some point this year.


Jon

[jeffwarne]

OK-here's my question re' quarantines.


I'm in New York-the epicenter of the virus.
My seasonal returning employess are required to quarantine for 2 weeks before starting work.
Meanwhile we are only open in the sense that members may carry their bags at a staffless course.
So i have to guess when we will actually open(and in what form) and have employees quarantining for 2 weeks before that, and they have to find housing in an extremely saturated market from all the NYC people sheltering in place out here...and hope we open.
OK.
All solveable, but challenging...


Meanwhile these people are being asked to travel through, to and near the world epicenter of the virus...and we're asking THEM to quarantine?
The people playing golf are regularly going in and out NYC, the actual epicenter.
Seems we're quarantining the wrong people....


At this point, the entire US(and world for that matter) has been exposed.
I completely get quaranting someone from NY,NJ and especially NYC for 14 days when they visit another state or country.
Not really sure why people arriving in NY (from other states that are by definition safer), would need to quarantine.


Aren't we all assuming everyone is a potential carrier anyway and all practicing safe social distancing?

[Jerry Kluger]

It would be really great if we could get some type of projected schedule from the various governments.  This would help us travelers and more importantly give some guidance to the businesses that depend upon visitors for their economic survival. These projections could be prefaced with certain assumptions and what would happen if those assumptions do not turn out to be accurate. I really want to attend the Buda this year

[Mark Chaplin]

I will be very surprised if clubhouses open before September in the UK, I’d guess we will be playing by the start of June however changing shoes in the car park, playing two ball singles and going home isn’t very appealing to me.

[Wayne_Kozun]

I will be very surprised if clubhouses open before September in the UK, I’d guess we will be playing by the start of June however changing shoes in the car park, playing two ball singles and going home isn’t very appealing to me.

Right now I would easily take that as it sounds better than staying home and watching Netflix.

[jeffwarne]

I will be very surprised if clubhouses open before September in the UK, I’d guess we will be playing by the start of June however changing shoes in the car park, playing two ball singles and going home isn’t very appealing to me.

Surprising response-especially as long as you've been cooped up with no golf.


I've never seen my members happier-carrying their own bags and pushing/pulling.(not their norm)
and the weather has been horriffic with the exception of 1-2 days.
No amenities, no restrooms,no indoor access anywhere,no staff,  raised above ground cups, no putting green or practice tee, and required 15 feet(my rule) social distancing everywhere on property.
Did 83 members(no guests) Saturday-despite a 9:00 am start so maintenance could do staggered shifts and well gone by the time play arrived to their hole. 15 minute tee times result in zero pace issues- zero negative comments-amazing what a dose of perspective can do. I hung around and greeted from a good 100 feet away.


I would doubt our clubhouse will open this year for anything besides takeout.
Golf in this manner may be the safest thing they do all day.

[Duncan Cheslett]

I will be very surprised if clubhouses open before September in the UK, I’d guess we will be playing by the start of June however changing shoes in the car park, playing two ball singles and going home isn’t very appealing to me.

I get the thing about changing in the car park and clubhouses remaining closed, but I can't understand how 2-balls are intrinsically safer than 3 or 4-balls so long as everyone follows the social distancing protocols to which we have all become quickly accustomed.


Protocols which will surely remain in place for the indefinite future.


A sensible 4-ball on a golf course surely carries far less risk of virus transmission than 4 people in a railway carriage or on an airplane.  Or walking along a city street.


Or are 2-balls simply the thin end of the wedge that gets courses open again?

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