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Thomas Dai

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Re: Bunkerless Par 5s
« Reply #25 on: April 09, 2020, 03:55:00 AM »
Lots of cheating going on here folks ...... bunkerless par-5’s on totally bunkerless courses don’t count. :)
Atb
Why?
No slight intended, but because picking par-5’s from totally bunkerless courses makes the question far to easy to answer. There’s a lot of golf knowledge and experience herein so between those posting let’s pick some choices that require a bit more thought in the first instance.
Atb
That doesn't make any sense.  The question is, what are the best example of bunkerless par 5s worldwide.  Why shouldn't we discuss those on courses that are bunkerless courses?  My gut feeling is that, actually, the par 5s are rarely a strong feature on bunkerless courses.  It's no easier to design a bunkerless par 5 simp[ly becaues you're not using bunkers on the other holes, so I see no reason we shouldn't discuss them.
I remain unconvinced but each to their own. :)
atb

Kevin Pallier

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Re: Bunkerless Par 5s
« Reply #26 on: April 09, 2020, 04:26:21 AM »
Love Rye's one and only P5 1st.

Ellerston's (NSW) P5 10th has its issues.

Padraig Dooley

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Re: Bunkerless Par 5s
« Reply #27 on: April 09, 2020, 07:25:13 AM »
Recently we were trying to come up with the best bunkerless holes in Ireland, there was plenty of great par 3s and 4s but seemed to be practically no great par 5s and it was even a struggle to come up with a couple of examples.
What are the best bunkerless par 5s worldwide?


Was that a thread on the Ireland holes? Thomas mentions one above but it’s noticeable that out of the six holes that Steele / Ebert added to Enniscrone, all six of them were bunkerless and four of them were Par-5’s, perhaps the best being 16.
There wasn't a thread on the best bunkerless holes, I was compiling them on twitter and facebook.
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Jon Wiggett

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Re: Bunkerless Par 5s
« Reply #28 on: April 09, 2020, 01:01:48 PM »
Lots of cheating going on here folks ...... bunkerless par-5’s on totally bunkerless courses don’t count. :)
Atb
Why?
No slight intended, but because picking par-5’s from totally bunkerless courses makes the question far to easy to answer. There’s a lot of golf knowledge and experience herein so between those posting let’s pick some choices that require a bit more thought in the first instance.
Atb
That doesn't make any sense.  The question is, what are the best example of bunkerless par 5s worldwide.  Why shouldn't we discuss those on courses that are bunkerless courses?  My gut feeling is that, actually, the par 5s are rarely a strong feature on bunkerless courses.  It's no easier to design a bunkerless par 5 simp[ly becaues you're not using bunkers on the other holes, so I see no reason we shouldn't discuss them.
I remain unconvinced but each to their own. :)
atb



Mark is right in my opinion. Your point of view would be the same as saying name great par fives with bunkers but they not from courses with bunkers on every hole  :-X If a hole is good it is good.

V. Kmetz

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Re: Bunkerless Par 5s
« Reply #29 on: April 09, 2020, 02:24:24 PM »
Until I re-checked, I thought both 6 and 15 at Fishers were (the have framing greenside bunkers) as well as 16 at Yale...


All three tend to play bunkerless..just one "ok" (#6 Fishers) and two BORING ass holes, the least memorable holes on their otherwise fine courses...



"The tee shot must first be hit straight and long between a vast bunker on the left which whispers 'slice' in the player's ear, and a wilderness on the right which induces a hurried hook." -

Thomas Dai

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Re: Bunkerless Par 5s
« Reply #30 on: April 09, 2020, 02:33:24 PM »
Lots of cheating going on here folks ...... bunkerless par-5’s on totally bunkerless courses don’t count. :)
Atb
Why?
No slight intended, but because picking par-5’s from totally bunkerless courses makes the question far to easy to answer. There’s a lot of golf knowledge and experience herein so between those posting let’s pick some choices that require a bit more thought in the first instance.
Atb
That doesn't make any sense.  The question is, what are the best example of bunkerless par 5s worldwide.  Why shouldn't we discuss those on courses that are bunkerless courses?  My gut feeling is that, actually, the par 5s are rarely a strong feature on bunkerless courses.  It's no easier to design a bunkerless par 5 simp[ly becaues you're not using bunkers on the other holes, so I see no reason we shouldn't discuss them.
I remain unconvinced but each to their own. :)
atb
Mark is right in my opinion. Your point of view would be the same as saying name great par fives with bunkers but they not from courses with bunkers on every hole  :-X If a hole is good it is good.
I look forward to reading both of your extensive lists of example holes. :)
Atb

Jon Wiggett

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Re: Bunkerless Par 5s
« Reply #31 on: April 09, 2020, 03:37:47 PM »

Of what?  ??? with bunkers, without on what type of course and naturally can I use courses with no bunkers if it is bunkerless ones you want.


For a bunkerless on a course with bunkers I would put forward the 10th hole at Dewsbury District GC. Always a good, strategic hole to play even with the internal OOB. Maybe you are familiar with it  ;)

Steve_Lovett

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Re: Bunkerless Par 5s
« Reply #32 on: April 10, 2020, 01:54:35 PM »
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the 2nd hole at Peachtree in Atlanta. Maybe the best hole on the course and maybe one of the best holes RTJ Sr ever designed.

Thomas Dai

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Re: Bunkerless Par 5s
« Reply #33 on: April 10, 2020, 02:54:20 PM »
The 10th at Dewsbury seems from the web/video a hole that needs quite a bit of care with the approach. I didn't know much about the Club until I looked it up. Quite a history what with OTM's involvement etc. Thanks for highlighting it Jon.
atb

Ville Nurmi

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Re: Bunkerless Par 5s
« Reply #34 on: April 11, 2020, 01:41:37 PM »
The western isles of Scotland immediatly came to mind as potential candidates
I haven't got round to playing Askernish, South Uist but looking at the pictures  it appears the Par 5's are also bunkerless
Who needs bunkers?
12th has a bunker in front of the green.
1st and 6th are bunkerless
Br
Ville