[Pete Lavallee]

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/golf/story/2020-04-02/us-open-golf-torrey-pines-pebble-beach-coronavirus-winged-foot

[Don Mahaffey]

Interesting that the article states the Masters could be moved to Nov 9, which is the date of the Houston Open. I know it's the Masters, and there is a tour event in the same week, but this is not the information the Tour is sending to Houston....although who really knows now how it will all unfold.

[jeffwarne]

Lots of speculation...and a lot of crisis to get through
With due respect to Houston, with a new venue, and no doubt a host of considerable charities at stake
November 9 would be fine in Augusta...
I still think The Masters opposite Bermuda would make more sense in late October as there is little player crossover between the two events.

[Don Mahaffey]

Mid fall is a great time to play golf in either location.  We'll see how the date shuffles work out.

[Tim Martin]

I hate to see any local tournament lose their slot to a major but in these strangest of times it might be a great boost to the game and it’s followers just to hold one in 2020. From a homer perspective I am looking forward to Winged Foot whenever that happens at it will hopefully signal a new day in the New York area.

[Kalen Braley]

I'm still not seeing why they don't just keep it at WF, and play both courses.  That late in the year they would have to do it at TP as well anyways.

And from what i've heard, Sept and Oct is a mighty fine time of year to be playing golf in New York...


P.S. In the the middle of October, San Diego only has ~15 more minutes of sunlight per day.  Pretty much negligible

[Tim Martin]

I'm still not seeing why they don't just keep it at WF, and play both courses.  That late in the year they would have to do it at TP as well anyways.

And from what i've heard, Sept and Oct is a mighty fine time of year to be playing golf in New York...


P.S. In the the middle of October, San Diego only has ~15 more minutes of sunlight per day.  Pretty much negligible

September and October are primo conditions in and around NY but the overnight temps are unpredictable and could throw a curve on Thursday or Friday when they need to pull the trigger at 7:00 a.m.

[Kalen Braley]

I'm still not seeing why they don't just keep it at WF, and play both courses.  That late in the year they would have to do it at TP as well anyways.

And from what i've heard, Sept and Oct is a mighty fine time of year to be playing golf in New York...

P.S. In the the middle of October, San Diego only has ~15 more minutes of sunlight per day.  Pretty much negligible

September and October are primo conditions in and around NY but the overnight temps are unpredictable and could throw a curve on Thursday or Friday when they need to pull the trigger at 7:00 a.m.

Given how much money they throw at these events, is a bit of frost damage even on the radar?  Courses even after a normal tourney get hammered as it is....

[archie_struthers]

 




September in NYC pretty safe if we are virus free. Weather is great and chance of frost very slim. It would be much easier for superintendent to get it hard and fast with less danger to the course in the fall. quite beautiful time of year!

[mike_beene]

What an opportunity for one of the three majors that move to think outside the box and go to Royal Melbourne or Roral Adelaide. Instead of a feel like that PGA at PGA National the event would be a once in a million years type deal. If that doesn't fly, the USGA could use Mauna Kea

[jeffwarne]

I'm still not seeing why they don't just keep it at WF, and play both courses.  That late in the year they would have to do it at TP as well anyways.

And from what i've heard, Sept and Oct is a mighty fine time of year to be playing golf in New York...


P.S. In the the middle of October, San Diego only has ~15 more minutes of sunlight per day.  Pretty much negligible

September and October are primo conditions in and around NY but the overnight temps are unpredictable and could throw a curve on Thursday or Friday when they need to pull the trigger at 7:00 a.m.

In October, forget temperatures at 7:00 am as they are the least of the problem for a 7 am start.
Sunrise isn't till well after 7:00-even October 1 is 7:14, and obviously worse every day after that
This is always a surprise to our members on Columbus Day weekend...

[V. Kmetz]

I'm still not seeing why they don't just keep it at WF, and play both courses.  That late in the year they would have to do it at TP as well anyways.

And from what i've heard, Sept and Oct is a mighty fine time of year to be playing golf in New York...


P.S. In the the middle of October, San Diego only has ~15 more minutes of sunlight per day.  Pretty much negligible

Because among other things, the hosting, tentage, generators, trailers and circus infrastructure of a modern open is entirely on the East course, that includes the range which is Hole 9 of the East.  If it's a spectator-less tournament, then maybe... but what is the point?

[Kalen Braley]

I'm still not seeing why they don't just keep it at WF, and play both courses.  That late in the year they would have to do it at TP as well anyways.

And from what i've heard, Sept and Oct is a mighty fine time of year to be playing golf in New York...

P.S. In the the middle of October, San Diego only has ~15 more minutes of sunlight per day.  Pretty much negligible

Because among other things, the hosting, tentage, generators, trailers and circus infrastructure of a modern open is entirely on the East course, that includes the range which is Hole 9 of the East.  If it's a spectator-less tournament, then maybe... but what is the point?

VK,


I would hope, and maybe this is asking too much, the USGA could forgo one year of the massive tent city without merch and elaborate eats and corporate ass-kissing and all the other trappings and do an old school US Open with just golf.  Yes it would be low key, but that would be the point.  And with two courses hopefully they could spread the fans out a bit better at least on first two days.

[Erik J. Barzeski]

I would hope, and maybe this is asking too much, the USGA could forgo one year of the massive tent city without merch and elaborate eats and corporate ass-kissing and all the other trappings and do an old school US Open with just golf.  Yes it would be low key, but that would be the point.  And with two courses hopefully they could spread the fans out a bit better at least on first two days.

I imagine that if they were going to LOSE a large sum of money on the event, they'd seriously consider not putting it on at all. The U.S. Open is their only real money-maker (by far the biggest, I mean). The USGA isn't a business in the traditional sense, but they still need money to do the things they do. They have a war chest of sorts, but if the decision is "lose $5M but have the Open" or "lose $2M by not hosting it this year," they might choose the latter.

[SL_Solow]

Erik,  the war chest is larger than one "of sorts" and TV money is he driver

[Erik J. Barzeski]

Erik,  the war chest is larger than one "of sorts" and TV money is he driver

Yeah, just saying that cost (and profit/loss) may play a role in whether they try to play it or not.

I also wonder if they might not change qualifying criteria to let more PGA Tour players qualify this year rather than those who go through local and sectional qualifying. People might not be as able or willing to travel as Tour guys.

[Ronald Montesano]

Coming from the angle of truth, justice, and the siberian way, here is how I seeze it:


1. It says more about how the game sucks if they boot Houston from its slot, to appease the wealthy and the powerful;


2. Torrey Pines ... ugh, shivers, cold sweats;


3. JW makes sense when he talks about Masters opposite Bermuda;


4. If September in Buffalo is delightful (and it is...) September in metro must be awesome, so yes, the PGA at WF could be played (as long as rule #1 is not superceded);


5. gp's new t-shirt is a smashing dollywhopper. It is so well sized and soft against my skin;


6. Torrey Pines ... yeech, tremens, delirium, shakes.

[Pete Lavallee]

Ron,


You might want to schedule your Himalayan golf vacation for next Fathers Day weekend because the 2021 US Open will be played at Torrey Pines barring a swap with Winged Foot this year. 

[V. Kmetz]

Because among other things, the hosting, tentage, generators, trailers and circus infrastructure of a modern open is entirely on the East course, that includes the range which is Hole 9 of the East.  If it's a spectator-less tournament, then maybe... but what is the point?

VK,

I would hope, and maybe this is asking too much, the USGA could forgo one year of the massive tent city without merch and elaborate eats and corporate ass-kissing and all the other trappings and do an old school US Open with just golf.  Yes it would be low key, but that would be the point.  And with two courses hopefully they could spread the fans out a bit better at least on first two days.

KB, I suspect it IS asking too much, but even if they wanted to be white robes and hugs, kumbaya about it... the fact is the only viable entrance for a crowd of even reduced size blows up the 4th and 8th East, the range is on the 9th East and on top of all, there still has to be a place for people to use a restroom, get a hamburger and the media trucks/tents still take up a lot of regular standby area...even if Plato's Retreat is not erected. 


250 acres is huge, but not if you're using two courses and having some number of thousands attend.

[Tom_Doak]

Ron,


You might want to schedule your Himalayan golf vacation for next Fathers Day weekend because the 2021 US Open will be played at Torrey Pines barring a swap with Winged Foot this year.

OT, but actually June is monsoon season at Himalayan Golf Club.  The time to visit there, I was surprised to learn, is in winter.  [I think I went in November.]  It might be the only month when I'd rather be at Torrey Pines!

[jeffwarne]

I would hope, and maybe this is asking too much, the USGA could forgo one year of the massive tent city without merch and elaborate eats and corporate ass-kissing and all the other trappings and do an old school US Open with just golf.  Yes it would be low key, but that would be the point.  And with two courses hopefully they could spread the fans out a bit better at least on first two days.

I imagine that if they were going to LOSE a large sum of money on the event, they'd seriously consider not putting it on at all. The U.S. Open is their only real money-maker (by far the biggest, I mean). The USGA isn't a business in the traditional sense, but they still need money to do the things they do. They have a war chest of sorts, but if the decision is "lose $5M but have the Open" or "lose $2M by not hosting it this year," they might choose the latter.

For an organization with hundreds of millions in their war chests,iif safety was not a concern, that would be a poor choice.
That said, if they instead chose to use their war chest to help the thousands of post Covid struggling courses, employees and communities, that would be a great alternative.

[Erik J. Barzeski]

That said, if they instead chose to use their war chest to help the thousands of post Covid struggling courses, employees and communities, that would be a great alternative.

I agree with that. I wasn't really talking about that before. But yeah, that would be a good use of money, if it can be done reasonably well. Some blurred lines there might make it tough. But I'm not a business expert, so I don't have much to offer on that.

BTW someone earlier commented on my use of the words "of sorts." It wasn't referring to the size of the "war chest" but the term "war chest" itself. It's just their "bank account," it's not necessarily set aside for a "war." So I felt weird writing "war chest" and qualified that with "of sorts" - it was not a qualification of the size of their bank account, only that I was calling their bank account their war chest.

[Edward Glidewell]

Because among other things, the hosting, tentage, generators, trailers and circus infrastructure of a modern open is entirely on the East course, that includes the range which is Hole 9 of the East.  If it's a spectator-less tournament, then maybe... but what is the point?

TV money and more people watch on TV than attend the event anyways. Also the players still get to have their major (and the money that comes along with it).


I'd much rather see them play with no fans than not play at all.

[Edward Glidewell]

1. It says more about how the game sucks if they boot Houston from its slot, to appease the wealthy and the powerful;

I don't see why they couldn't have both. It's not like there's a huge overlap of players who are in the Masters who would have been playing in Houston otherwise -- my guess would be they'd be losing out on 2-3 players at most. Last year only one World Top 50 guy played in Houston.

[Kalen Braley]

The article in Davids Masters thread says its already been reschedule for Sept:

"The U.S. Open has been moved from June 15 - 21 to Sept. 14 - 20." 

I'm guessing they can still fit every one in for that time of year for the one course...

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