Golf in UK Post COVID-19

[JWinick]

We are planning a trip in late June / early July to Northern Ireland and Scotland.   I just got off the phone with one of the biggest clubs in Northern Ireland and he said all golf in the UK is shut down at least until May 1 or so.   He said they can only leave the house once a day.   


He did say that no one has canceled yet after June 1, but anyone out there have any ideas when golf would resume?   If anything is open besides the usual, one would think golf would be one of the first things to come back.   

[Simon Holt]

I wouldn't look at anything before August.

[John Kavanaugh]

If you take an 8 hour flight and one passenger shows the slightest symptom you will not be allowed off the plane.

[Adrian_Stiff]

We are planning a trip in late June / early July to Northern Ireland and Scotland.   I just got off the phone with one of the biggest clubs in Northern Ireland and he said all golf in the UK is shut down at least until May 1 or so.   He said they can only leave the house once a day.   


He did say that no one has canceled yet after June 1, but anyone out there have any ideas when golf would resume?   If anything is open besides the usual, one would think golf would be one of the first things to come back.   

Forget your plans to come to the UK then. We will probably be allowed to be playing golf then but not for international tourists. I think international travel will be some time in the future.

[JWinick]

Complete speculation.    Everything is changing on a daily basis.   

If you take an 8 hour flight and one passenger shows the slightest symptom you will not be allowed off the plane.

[JWinick]

The clubs need the international revenue.   There's a big difference between holding an Open Championship and letting people play golf.   The US will open up travel to Europe and Europe will do the same.   I choose to be cautiously optimistic.   

We are planning a trip in late June / early July to Northern Ireland and Scotland.   I just got off the phone with one of the biggest clubs in Northern Ireland and he said all golf in the UK is shut down at least until May 1 or so.   He said they can only leave the house once a day.   


He did say that no one has canceled yet after June 1, but anyone out there have any ideas when golf would resume?   If anything is open besides the usual, one would think golf would be one of the first things to come back.   

Forget your plans to come to the UK then. We will probably be allowed to be playing golf then but not for international tourists. I think international travel will be some time in the future.

[Adrian_Stiff]

The clubs need the international revenue.   There's a big difference between holding an Open Championship and letting people play golf.   The US will open up travel to Europe and Europe will do the same.   I choose to be cautiously optimistic.   

We are planning a trip in late June / early July to Northern Ireland and Scotland.   I just got off the phone with one of the biggest clubs in Northern Ireland and he said all golf in the UK is shut down at least until May 1 or so.   He said they can only leave the house once a day.   


He did say that no one has canceled yet after June 1, but anyone out there have any ideas when golf would resume?   If anything is open besides the usual, one would think golf would be one of the first things to come back.   

Forget your plans to come to the UK then. We will probably be allowed to be playing golf then but not for international tourists. I think international travel will be some time in the future.

It is not about INTERNATIONAL REVENUE stay indoors protect the NHS save lives is what we are all being preached. USA will likely have the most deaths from this terrible virus, I am no expert but I do not think any country will be wanting to accept a plane full of Americans as early as June. We certainly will only just be out of isolation. BTW optimists are very dangerous.

[MKrohn]

We (12 Australians) were due to go to Ireland/NI in late June but won't be going.


I think the lack of cancellations is more due to the money back arrangements. Whilst we have got back 95% of our hotel bookings, most of the golf clubs seem to be offering 50% back now or a 12 month rebook. We are presuming that changes as we get closer to the actual date and probably the external environment remains the same.

[Adrian_Stiff]

We (12 Australians) were due to go to Ireland/NI in late June but won't be going.


I think the lack of cancellations is more due to the money back arrangements. Whilst we have got back 95% of our hotel bookings, most of the golf clubs seem to be offering 50% back now or a 12 month rebook. We are presuming that changes as we get closer to the actual date and probably the external environment remains the same.

Yes that is the exact reason. It is what we are doing also.

[archie_struthers]

 




God bless to all who are suffering thru this plague. For some reason I'm strangely hopeful this morning that something is stirring and the great Doctors and scientists who are working are closing in on a cure. Just a crazy hunch but to all be careful and stay hopeful. We will golf again.....with our friends!

[Tony_Muldoon]

Good to see things are getting back to normal.


"J" posts about an upcoming UK&I trip and asks the groups opinions. 


He then argues with everyone who replies!


I find this oddly reassuring that all will soon be well.

[Mark Pearce]

The clubs need the international revenue.   There's a big difference between holding an Open Championship and letting people play golf.   The US will open up travel to Europe and Europe will do the same.   I choose to be cautiously optimistic.   

We are planning a trip in late June / early July to Northern Ireland and Scotland.   I just got off the phone with one of the biggest clubs in Northern Ireland and he said all golf in the UK is shut down at least until May 1 or so.   He said they can only leave the house once a day.   


He did say that no one has canceled yet after June 1, but anyone out there have any ideas when golf would resume?   If anything is open besides the usual, one would think golf would be one of the first things to come back.   

Forget your plans to come to the UK then. We will probably be allowed to be playing golf then but not for international tourists. I think international travel will be some time in the future.

It amazes me that you ever ask questions on here, seeing as how you already know all the answers!


I can't see a gnat in Hell's chance that you'll be playing golf in the UK in June.  Pretty clear that we're getting three months of lock down and then a gradual relaxation.  Travel may be allowed by early July but clubs will be rammed with members wanting to get out and will, I expect, still have restrictions on visitor play.

[Mark Pearce]

Good to see things are getting back to normal.


"J" posts about an upcoming UK&I trip and asks the groups opinions. 


He then argues with everyone who replies!


I find this oddly reassuring that all will soon be well.

You beat me to it, Tony!

[John Kavanaugh]

Good to see things are getting back to normal.


"J" posts about an upcoming UK&I trip and asks the groups opinions. 


He then argues with everyone who replies!


I find this oddly reassuring that all will soon be well.

You beat me to it, Tony!

Yesterday Winick was looking for cheap memberships off the backs of unemployed Arizonians. Today he wants to be made whole in the possibility his international travel is curtailed by the economic demise of a continent. I can’t wait for him to complete the triple crown tomorrow.


Predictions anyone?

[Scott Warren]

In what must be said is a very competitive field, “countries will open their borders prematurely so that a handful of golf clubs can feast on international green fee revenue” is probably the most remarkable thought-bubble JWinick has offered this forum.


A 36-hole day comprising of Birkdale and Rye is eminently sensible by comparison. 

[Mark Saltzman]

In what must be said is a very competitive field, “countries will open their borders prematurely so that a handful of golf clubs can feast on international green fee revenue” is probably the most remarkable thought-bubble JWinick has offered this forum.


A 36-hole day comprising of Birkdale and Rye is eminently sensible by comparison.

Scott, given the their distance apart and notoriously long rounds at Birkdale thanks to an abundance of visitor play, I think the Rye-Birkdale duo is only sensible on the longest of days.  Sadly, you'll need to wait until 2021 

[Jason Thurman]

Complete speculation.    Everything is changing on a daily basis.   

If you take an 8 hour flight and one passenger shows the slightest symptom you will not be allowed off the plane.

Bro, you literally asked for complete speculation.


That said, golf will resume on 27 May throughout the UK, except in Wales, where it will resume on 6 June. All courses will lift restrictions on international play by 13 June, other than requiring visitors to wear masks when playing, preferably in a golf-traditional pattern such as argyle, houndstooth, etc.

[Ian Mackenzie]

JW...please pay attention to ALL the lyrics in this song...PLEASE:

https://youtu.be/e0-2XxgHIXk

https://apple.news/A0kej1vTiSZOMKexYt99j0A

We get it; you want to tee it up. We all do. Did you see the thread about how CV19 impacts golf trips? Add your name to the list and stay close to your family.

- help small businesses navigate CARES with your SBA expertise. (I am happy to help you here with private equity referrals!)
- spend your hard-earned money at places that REALLY need it: local restaurants, businesses in your own city.
- move the guest revenue to Beverly and OFCC as, after all the millions spent on work at both places, I imagine it would be helpful.

And, FWIW, you’re coming across as VERY, VERY tone deaf.


Our GBI friends have NO interest in seeing a group of middle aged men from a global Corona hot spot for months!
Seriously, you are a poster child example of how the virus can spread. You are acting like you are somehow immune to it all.

And to all: Our GCA pal, John Connolly, is on the FRONT LINES of this fight. He and his team of radiologists are seeing a MASSIVE uptick in infections in Chicago.He's watching families sign documents as their 47 year old healthy husband/father/son goes on a ventilator with a 50/50 chance of MAKING IT out alive.

He's having team meetings with x-ray techs in tears as they are 1) frightened and 2) shocked at the "carnage" before them. He wants to hug them, but he cant.

JW, some perspective, please.

[Ian Andrew]

The last post was excellent - thank you Ian


I don't believe any country will open themselves up to international flights this year.
World travel will not resume till we can vaccinate.

[JWinick]

Hilarious, Mr. Kavanaugh, and I appreciate your wit.

Good to see things are getting back to normal.


"J" posts about an upcoming UK&I trip and asks the groups opinions. 


He then argues with everyone who replies!


I find this oddly reassuring that all will soon be well.

You beat me to it, Tony!

Yesterday Winick was looking for cheap memberships off the backs of unemployed Arizonians. Today he wants to be made whole in the possibility his international travel is curtailed by the economic demise of a continent. I can’t wait for him to complete the triple crown tomorrow.


Predictions anyone?

[JWinick]

I am very much involved in the CARES Act.   Ultimately, this is a golf course discussion site, so while you say I am tone deaf, that is perhaps inaccurate as I am not going to go into something that far off topic.


I am literally working on the finishing touches of an interview regarding the Payment Protection Program from perhaps the leading expert on it.    I don't think its is unreasonable to wonder if a golf trip (that I spent 50 hours organizing) is on or off in Late June.   


I know you guys love to give me a hard time - I can take it.   

JW...please pay attention to ALL the lyrics in this song...PLEASE:

https://youtu.be/e0-2XxgHIXk

https://apple.news/A0kej1vTiSZOMKexYt99j0A

We get it; you want to tee it up. We all do. Did you see the thread about how CV19 impacts golf trips? Add your name to the list and stay close to your family.

- help small businesses navigate CARES with your SBA expertise. (I am happy to help you here with private equity referrals!)
- spend your hard-earned money at places that REALLY need it: local restaurants, businesses in your own city.
- move the guest revenue to Beverly and OFCC as, after all the millions spent on work at both places, I imagine it would be helpful.

And, FWIW, you’re coming across as VERY, VERY tone deaf.


Our GBI friends have NO interest in seeing a group of middle aged men from a global Corona hot spot for months!
Seriously, you are a poster child example of how the virus can spread. You are acting like you are somehow immune to it all.

And to all: Our GCA pal, John Connolly, is on the FRONT LINES of this fight. He and his team of radiologists are seeing a MASSIVE uptick in infections in Chicago.He's watching families sign documents as their 47 year old healthy husband/father/son goes on a ventilator with a 50/50 chance of MAKING IT out alive.

He's having team meetings with x-ray techs in tears as they are 1) frightened and 2) shocked at the "carnage" before them. He wants to hug them, but he cant.

JW, some perspective, please.

[JWinick]

Tony,


I appreciate your humor, but if I were to solicit an opinion from the group, am I then required to accept it universally?    Be safe and be well.


Best,
Jon

Good to see things are getting back to normal.


"J" posts about an upcoming UK&I trip and asks the groups opinions. 


He then argues with everyone who replies!


I find this oddly reassuring that all will soon be well.

[Jim Sherma]

Just went through and started cancelling my trip to the Northern Highlands in June. Even if the official travel ban is lifted I can't see a way that it would be a good idea to follow through with the trip. I hate walking away from some of the cancellation fees but there is little that can be done about it.

[Ian Mackenzie]

I am very much involved in the CARES Act.   Ultimately, this is a golf course discussion site, so while you say I am tone deaf, that is perhaps inaccurate as I am not going to go into something that far off topic.


I am literally working on the finishing touches of an interview regarding the Payment Protection Program from perhaps the leading expert on it.    I don't think its is unreasonable to wonder if a golf trip (that I spent 50 hours organizing) is on or off in Late June.   


I know you guys love to give me a hard time - I can take it.   

JW...please pay attention to ALL the lyrics in this song...PLEASE:

https://youtu.be/e0-2XxgHIXk

https://apple.news/A0kej1vTiSZOMKexYt99j0A

We get it; you want to tee it up. We all do. Did you see the thread about how CV19 impacts golf trips? Add your name to the list and stay close to your family.

- help small businesses navigate CARES with your SBA expertise. (I am happy to help you here with private equity referrals!)
- spend your hard-earned money at places that REALLY need it: local restaurants, businesses in your own city.
- move the guest revenue to Beverly and OFCC as, after all the millions spent on work at both places, I imagine it would be helpful.

And, FWIW, you’re coming across as VERY, VERY tone deaf.


Our GBI friends have NO interest in seeing a group of middle aged men from a global Corona hot spot for months!
Seriously, you are a poster child example of how the virus can spread. You are acting like you are somehow immune to it all.

And to all: Our GCA pal, John Connolly, is on the FRONT LINES of this fight. He and his team of radiologists are seeing a MASSIVE uptick in infections in Chicago.He's watching families sign documents as their 47 year old healthy husband/father/son goes on a ventilator with a 50/50 chance of MAKING IT out alive.

He's having team meetings with x-ray techs in tears as they are 1) frightened and 2) shocked at the "carnage" before them. He wants to hug them, but he cant.

JW, some perspective, please.

"Ultimately" this is a site with other human beings who want to see the virus die.
These humans, who also are GCA hobbyists, would like YOU to do YOUR part.


Instead, you seem set on exporting the possibility of spreading the virus to another US city and two other countries.


My spring trip to Dornoch with my 3 core golfing pals was scrapped. Bummer.
Gives me more time to spend with my family and my dying 14 year old yellow lab.


JW, let's tee it up together when the smoke clears....locally!

[JWinick]

Ian, fair point - but, I have followed the guidelines even before they were issued.   I don't think its fair to judge someone harshly without knowing the facts.   There is no rule that says you can't go on an airplane under any circumstances.   My work is deemed essential as well, and I could go to the office every day, but would prefer not to.   The fact that I am eager to restart my life and the economy as soon as possible is not a bad thing.