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Ran Morrissett

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Feature Interview with Tom Clark New
« on: March 12, 2020, 10:59:12 AM »
People from around the world have put me in touch with folks for Feature Interviews. This month, we can thank Jonathan Cummings as he suggested we reach out to past ASGCA president Tom Clark.

Given that we have conducted a Feature Interview every month since June 1999, it is progressively more challenging to find someone with insight that differs from one of the 200+ prior interviews. Yet, Tom does that in spades, in part shining a light on period from the 1950s through 1970s that saw people like his former partner Ed Ault charge between $6,000 and $8,000 as a design fee (!) and build single row irrigation courses for under $400,000 (!!). Indeed, it is refreshing to hear of a time when architects built courses cheaply for mass consumption. Fledgling course rankings didn’t influence Ault as his focus was on providing golf to as many people as possible at an affordable cost. I was a direct beneficiary, growing up playing the Tuckahoe Nine at the Country Club of Virginia for many years before it was altered and converted into an 18 hole course.

Here is what Jonathan says of his longtime friend:

Eddie Ault would be surprised.  From once simple workingman designs to more innovative layouts, far richer in character, the Ault/Clark team, over half a century has evolved, marking the golf course architecture landscape in a way that both resonates and endures.  From that pop-topped can of Schlitz Eddie shared with Tom on his very first day on the job in the early 1970s, to a fine crafted brew of today, like beer, the firm and Tom have come a long way. Golf has taken Tom to all corners including the 50 states and beyond, traveling, often with wife Catherine, from Patagonia to Iceland, from Tibet to the Serengeti.  Now in his 70s, that travel flame is more ember than blaze. Tom is more interested in design work nearer to home, as he says, “work I can get in my car and drive to,” but his passion for golf course architecture still sparkles.  Give him a lifeless piece of flat property he can turn into an interesting golf course and he’s as engaged as ever. A father, a grandfather, a family man, Clark long ago left the bustle of DC relocating in rural Virginia where he enjoys hunting and fishing on his bucolic sixty-five Old Dominion acres. I’ve known Tom for decades.  With a warm smile and twinkle in his eye, Tom loves to captivate listeners with his golf stories and memories.   He’ll forever remember me for trying to kill him one hot summer day walking Avenel after the redesign, but we’ll leave that story for Tom to someday tell. Tom’s advice for young architects?  “Don’t get yourself a big ass head, you got to keep moving or others will pass you by.” Words of wisdom that go far beyond golf.

In recent times, I was impressed by the feature rich, collaborative effort between Tom Clark and Nicklaus Design at Magnolia Green south of Richmond. I don’t say that just because I aced the 230y third hole either (!)  8) but rather because of the centerline bunkers and bold green contours, features you don’t often come across. Most recently, Tom has worked with his longtime friend Ron Whitten at a course near Lake Anna, Virginia that will (finally!) start receiving play later this year. All of us template hole junkies will want to read about Cutalong and here is the link:

https://golfclubatlas.com/feature-interview-with-tom-clark/

Thanks to both Tom and Jonathan for this month’s Feature Interview!

Best,
« Last Edit: March 30, 2020, 07:56:54 AM by Ran Morrissett »

Bernie Bell

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Re: Feature Interview with Tom Clark
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2020, 01:25:21 PM »

"it is progressively more challenging to find someone with insight that differs from one of the 200+ prior interviews. Yet, Tom does that in spades, in part shining a light on period from the 1950s through 1970s . . . ."


Thanks for this, Ran and Jonathan.  Great idea,providing at least some illumination of the "Dark Ages."

Peter Pallotta

Re: Feature Interview with Tom Clark
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2020, 11:03:54 AM »
Thanks, Ran - very good interview and a valuable history & perspective from Mr. Clark.
It's interesting how the term/concept of 'minimalism' has evolved over the decades.
There must be a word for that process, but I don't know it -- a broadening/deepening of such concepts.
It *seems* that in Mr Clark's early days, minimalism was almost wholly 'practical', and its aims/goals and ethos different from those of the modern-day minimalists.
Nowadays, it may still be practical in one sense, but not in terms of building (many) courses quickly and cheaply; today, there are relatively very few courses being built, and no one's primary aim is to build those fast and cheap.
Today there's an artistic and even 'philosophical' aspect to minimalism that I think would've surprised the earlier practitioners of the craft.   
 
« Last Edit: March 13, 2020, 11:06:07 AM by Peter Pallotta »

Tommy Williamsen

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Re: Feature Interview with Tom Clark
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2020, 11:19:06 AM »
If you live in the Baltimore/Washington corridor you have played a course either designed by Ault/Clark or one redesigned/renovated by them. Ed Ault designed the course at the resort where I live. His courses are not great but are mostly enjoyable by club members.
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Tim_Weiman

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Re: Feature Interview with Tom Clark
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2020, 01:58:25 PM »
Ran,


Well done. Very interesting interview. Those of us who love golf architecture don’t always think about the typical courses that firms like Ault/Clark built, but I think they are pretty important to the game.
Tim Weiman

Thomas Dai

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Re: Feature Interview with Tom Clark
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2020, 03:51:43 AM »
Well done. Always nice to hear from someone ‘in the business’.
Atb

Lou_Duran

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Re: Feature Interview with Tom Clark
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2020, 03:28:27 PM »
Great interview.  I've played four of Tom's courses in Hot Springs Village including Diamante a couple of times and think very highly of his work.  I suspected that he emphasized value.  Diamante is a beautiful course where he used the considerable elevation changes nicely.  It is challenging, but playable and offers a lot of variety.  Now that the members have purchased the course from Cooper after years of neglect, I hope that they can nurture it to its rightful place near the top in Arkansas.


It was also nice to hear from someone who has been missing for a long time- Jonathan Cummings.  I remember JC from our time as GW volunteers and always respected his great effort in support of the ratings.  He always took the positive approach and had good insights on gca born of experience and study. 

Ryan Hillenbrand

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Re: Feature Interview with Tom Clark
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2020, 04:01:27 PM »
Had a chance to play a few of the courses in Bella Vista AR near Bentonville that Tom spoke about. One called Scotsdale (yes - one T) is very enjoyable, played very fast on a mid summer day. Its a great spot for bargain minded retirees.


The Bella Vista Country Club course is good too, but according to Golf Advisor that one was built by Joe Finger

JC Urbina

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Re: Feature Interview with Tom Clark
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2020, 12:40:38 AM »
Ran - Jonathan


Thanks for reaching out to Tom Clark and highlighting the efforts of his 50 year career.  I have only seen a few Tom Clark designed  golf courses, not enough to see how his designs have evolved. 


I do like that he mentions that he doesn't envy other designers who have gotten that perfect site, he says you have to "create your own luck"  something that resonates with me. 


I will now  seek out a few of the designs that Tom says he enjoyed working on, we all have our favorites.






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