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Buck Wolter

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Re: Golf Channel moving to Stamford Connecticut
« Reply #25 on: March 03, 2020, 09:38:55 PM »
"Taxes are what we pay for civilized society.'' — Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.



I find Texas very civilized
Those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience -- CS Lewis

BHoover

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Re: Golf Channel moving to Stamford Connecticut
« Reply #26 on: March 03, 2020, 10:54:15 PM »
"Taxes are what we pay for civilized society.'' — Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.


I find Texas very civilized


Texas isn’t Minnesota nice.

V. Kmetz

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Re: Golf Channel moving to Stamford Connecticut
« Reply #27 on: March 04, 2020, 04:51:39 PM »

It's possible to see how social media, like this, and the tendentious thrusts it makes as it lumbers in the dark destroys the plain, unremarkable truth of things...
Sorry Golf Channel staff who are going to familiarize themselves with some of the highest taxes in the nation, while leaving a no income tax state.


At the most basic language level these two things are basically true, but then there is the nuance to be discovered after a slogan is cast out among us swine...


1. CT's overall range of ITx rates is 12th most out of the 42 states that charge one... "some of the highest?" Ok but it's a stretch... and still closer to the middle (#21) than the highest at #1, no?  So when do you lose the ability to call it the highest?
2. CT's TOP rate (6.99)...not the mean, median or frequency but the TOP rate, (which only 27.5 k out of 1.8 million taxpayers paid in 2017) is only slightly above average for the TOP rates nationally, ranking 19th out of the 42 with any income tax. Still sound like the highest?  Even for the unwashed in Greenwich?
3. The sales tax rate (6.35%) IS 8th highest (out of all 50 states in this measure) and there are additionally a scale of luxury taxes on 50k+ cars, jewelry, and large single purchases of clothing/accesories, so perhaps here is what is meant by "highest taxes"...
4. ...if it weren't for the mitigating fact that CT has NO local sales taxes AND that most staple grocery items are not taxed.
5.  CT's liquour, wine and beer taxes rank 29th, 28th, 27th respectively on a national basis.
6. CT's cigarette tax (4.35 a pack) ranks 9th nationally, but I take it no one minds or cares what that rate is, and if you're a non or former smoker, wish it was more.
7. CT's gas tax ranks 11th nationally, so I suppose in the upper 25%...but highest?...meh.
8. And to round out the picture...CT's estate tax, which starts at estates valued over 3.5 million (show of hands please) where the heirs would pay 225k and caps at 11.1 million where the heirs would pay approximately 1 million for the other 10...hmmm, we may have to dispense with the polo ponies and the family trip to Majorca will have to be capped at 3 weeks, instead of the full 30 days for which we had hoped... anyhoo, I don't think any susbstantial meaning behind "highest" even included this meager situation (people with 3.5 million+ estates dying in any one year).


So it appears, there's a bit of trouble with the slogan..."highest taxes" as put forward by the un-intrepid Mr. Schley... are they high compared to an income no-tax state? Of course they are, but when the details are examined and the MASS of citizens considered, the situation is a lot more middlin' than such scented jingo more often found in Tea Party tweets.


But of course, there is this dog-whistle to those poor in spirit, the bedraggled of the corporate class...

Great move...perhaps they got the State Tax breaks that were not an enticement for GE?  Excellent economic development by the Malloy/Lamont team.


Like Mc Auliffe to von Luttwitz at Bastogne, we (that's me, Lamont and Malloy) say "NUTS!" to GE and this Rape of the Lock satire...


In the June run-up to the 15-16 budget, according to the Hartford Courant (Jan 13, 2016) it was discovered and brought to light that GE with revenues that year of over 30 billion in all units typically paid the MINIMUM corporate income tax...wanna guess at the figure?  Not 25 million ... Not 2.5 million... not 250k....not 25k...but 250 dollars.  Yes, indeed there were hundreds if not thousands of Mom n Pop incorporate for 50 bucks type businesses that paid more than GE.


In reaction, a large corporate tax to overide this rank and corrosive accountant/lobbyists gratuity was proposed...merely proposed, mind you.  And that's when Immelt and the Fairfield Grays upped sticks to Boston, who not only gave 120 million in tax incentives (the same kind I suppose that reduced GE's CITx of yore to $250 dollars), plus 25m in property tax breaks, plus 1 million in relocation assistance for what was expected to be as many as 3000 of CT's 5500 GE persons in the Boston area...


We'll return to that in one moment...but fast forward to recent events and hear these items:
A.  Less than three years later, GE scrapped plans to build a waterfront tower for 800 persons and returned 87 million in incentives to the state.
B.  The Boston footprint is now slated to be for 250 persons in a refurbished Necco factory (I believe).
C. GE has sold or is in process of converting for sale much of its hard manufacture footprint (jets, power plants, renewable energy, transportation etc) and is moving entirely into comm, cloud, integrated digital components, health care, bio tech sectors.
D. At the time of the move GE traded at a 26-27.50 clip... now?  10.75- 11.25... of course I would make the same simpleton's screed mistake I called out JS and CM for, if I said 2=2 = 4 and don't they wish they stayed in Fairfield...I'm not saying that, I'm saying that in the flotsam or jetsam of a huge multi billion dollar company whose trying to sap breaks from the state that pays for things all people (in CT and in your state) need -- schools, roads, infrastructure, administration, elder care, medical safety, emergencies and oh yes, those poor fucking union rubes who signed up for a pension don't you know -- reveals itself as rank and petty and craven and morally bankrupt, so with Malooy and with Lamont, I say


NUTS to you...and don';t let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.


Now, I said I would return to the GE move and I will now to focus on the true manner in which CT has allowed that "highest taxes" sobriquet to be flowered on our Constitution State...the damn PROPERTY taxes, which are not controlled by Marxist-Lenninist bastards like me (that's only half a joke) or the politcial class which I vote for, or assignable to the deepest of Royal Blue states that we are...it's the individual municiplaties, which set those rates when they were varipus shades of all colors, blue, red, purple, black and white... some of THOSE folks have been the reddest of deadest meat, so Jeff Immelt, talk to the rich pititzers in Fairfield New Cannan and Westport about why your campus cost 1.8 million... but if you look under the couch cushions, I'm sure the GE gods would locate same...


Still the likely plainest truth of all for GE's move is not the taxes (as shown) or the threat of taxes (who cares at these numbers) but the fact that Boston is a current player in uiniversity and hi-tech talent that better befits the move away from analog brand to digital icon that they seem to be wanting to make.


But as a last kick in the mouth to those who are curlign their toes, let me say it's a classic "Ok Boomer" move...for those whose lives and children's lives have already benefitted from CT's great schools, safe and generally peaceful environment, cultural interest and access to NYC, to leave when the benfits to YOU and YOURS are exhausted in the life cycle. "Fuck you, I'm not paying for something I already used."




 
"The tee shot must first be hit straight and long between a vast bunker on the left which whispers 'slice' in the player's ear, and a wilderness on the right which induces a hurried hook." -

Jeff Schley

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Re: Golf Channel moving to Stamford Connecticut
« Reply #28 on: March 05, 2020, 08:53:01 AM »

It's possible to see how social media, like this, and the tendentious thrusts it makes as it lumbers in the dark destroys the plain, unremarkable truth of things...
Sorry Golf Channel staff who are going to familiarize themselves with some of the highest taxes in the nation, while leaving a no income tax state.


At the most basic language level these two things are basically true, but then there is the nuance to be discovered after a slogan is cast out among us swine...


1. CT's overall range of ITx rates is 12th most out of the 42 states that charge one... "some of the highest?" Ok but it's a stretch... and still closer to the middle (#21) than the highest at #1, no?  So when do you lose the ability to call it the highest?
2. CT's TOP rate (6.99)...not the mean, median or frequency but the TOP rate, (which only 27.5 k out of 1.8 million taxpayers paid in 2017) is only slightly above average for the TOP rates nationally, ranking 19th out of the 42 with any income tax. Still sound like the highest?  Even for the unwashed in Greenwich?
3. The sales tax rate (6.35%) IS 8th highest (out of all 50 states in this measure) and there are additionally a scale of luxury taxes on 50k+ cars, jewelry, and large single purchases of clothing/accesories, so perhaps here is what is meant by "highest taxes"...
4. ...if it weren't for the mitigating fact that CT has NO local sales taxes AND that most staple grocery items are not taxed.
5.  CT's liquour, wine and beer taxes rank 29th, 28th, 27th respectively on a national basis.
6. CT's cigarette tax (4.35 a pack) ranks 9th nationally, but I take it no one minds or cares what that rate is, and if you're a non or former smoker, wish it was more.
7. CT's gas tax ranks 11th nationally, so I suppose in the upper 25%...but highest?...meh.
8. And to round out the picture...CT's estate tax, which starts at estates valued over 3.5 million (show of hands please) where the heirs would pay 225k and caps at 11.1 million where the heirs would pay approximately 1 million for the other 10...hmmm, we may have to dispense with the polo ponies and the family trip to Majorca will have to be capped at 3 weeks, instead of the full 30 days for which we had hoped... anyhoo, I don't think any susbstantial meaning behind "highest" even included this meager situation (people with 3.5 million+ estates dying in any one year).


So it appears, there's a bit of trouble with the slogan..."highest taxes" as put forward by the un-intrepid Mr. Schley... are they high compared to an income no-tax state? Of course they are, but when the details are examined and the MASS of citizens considered, the situation is a lot more middlin' than such scented jingo more often found in Tea Party tweets.


But of course, there is this dog-whistle to those poor in spirit, the bedraggled of the corporate class...
 
Long winded way to saying I disagree and cherry picking here just a tad?
Here are property taxes where this source says they are the 4th highest effective tax rate.  https://wallethub.com/edu/states-with-the-highest-and-lowest-property-taxes/11585/
Also they have the 4th highest vehicle tax rate in that ranking.

Total tax liability in this ranking has them 50th out of 51!
https://wallethub.com/edu/best-worst-states-to-be-a-taxpayer/2416/


Here is the USA Today which is slightly more forgiving in regards to the real estate tax rates at 8th highest overall, but 3rd highest per capita.
8. Connecticut
• Effective property tax rate: 1.62 percent
• Median home value: $273,100 (12th highest)
• Per capita property taxes: $2,846.51 (3rd highest)
• Median household income: $74,168 (5th highest)
So they don't tax vices such as alcohol good for them and is that something to encourage?
« Last Edit: March 05, 2020, 09:05:16 AM by Jeff Schley »
"To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice your gifts."
- Steve Prefontaine

Steve_ Shaffer

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Re: Golf Channel moving to Stamford Connecticut
« Reply #29 on: March 05, 2020, 10:38:47 AM »

The reason for the move?  Interview with NBC Sports executive Pete  Bevacqua:




https://www.geoffshackelford.com/homepage/2020/3/4/bevacqua-golf-channel-move-from-orlando-long-in-the-making






Bevacqua also said the move is intended to improve the final product with production teams interacting with NBC Sports Network executives.

[/size]“Nothing can take the place of talented  people interacting with one another. When you can have the great people  of the Golf Channel interacting with the Sam Floods of the world and the Fred Gaudellis and the Rob Hylands and all the people that bring our other sports alive, we’re all going to be better. We’re all going to be more creative.”   As always, the comments are entertaining/



"Some of us worship in churches, some in synagogues, some on golf courses ... "  Adlai Stevenson
Hyman Roth to Michael Corleone: "We're bigger than US Steel."
Ben Hogan “The most important shot in golf is the next one”

Wayne_Kozun

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Re: Golf Channel moving to Stamford Connecticut
« Reply #30 on: March 05, 2020, 12:52:23 PM »

The big question, if I were an employee, concerns CT's Income Tax which ranges from about 3% to about 7% depending on income as opposed to FL's ZERO income tax. Will there be a salary adjustment upwards?


Also, the state sales tax for CT is 6.35% statewide while FL's is 6.5% or more depending on the city where one shops.


CT has great public schools, so if you were looking at private school for your kids in Florida that's an expense you can set aside.


You wanna bitch about taxes come to NY.....
Or come over to the north side of Lake Ontario where the top marginal tax rate of 53.53% kicks in at C$220,001 - that's US$164,000

Mike Benham

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Re: Golf Channel moving to Stamford Connecticut
« Reply #31 on: March 11, 2020, 09:16:16 PM »

There is no reason why a studio presence cannot be maintained in Florida - after all, that’s where all the players live. A studio involves a relative handful of people however - even less if you simply hire the facility for a few hours whenever needed.





The challenge with a singular focused channel is content, much of the content, outside of tournament coverage and reruns of Tin Cup, is created and seems forced. 


As is the model at the news networks, much of what (the) Golf Channel produces is studio content of 3 or 4 analysts discussion who is the best bunker player or funny tweets from the previous day. 


This week, with the 5th Major on tap, they are producing 9 hour long segments of "Live from THE PLAYERS", each and every day.  Let's take a count of how many fans watch a majority of this coverage.


I suspect that programming (outside of tournament feeds) will change drastically, yes, there will still be a studio show but expect there will be more 3rd party produced series, these will allow the network to control costs and offload financial risks.


Maybe a creative entrepreneur from this board can pitch a 4-6 part series about architecture, similar to The Fried Egg's "Yolk with Doak" but on camera.
"... and I liked the guy ..."

Jeff Schley

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Re: Golf Channel moving to Stamford Connecticut
« Reply #32 on: March 12, 2020, 03:40:07 AM »

Maybe a creative entrepreneur from this board can pitch a 4-6 part series about architecture, similar to The Fried Egg's "Yolk with Doak" but on camera.

Mike as a former HC I worked for used to say after someone had a creative idea that was good. "Great idea! Your on it!" ;D
"To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice your gifts."
- Steve Prefontaine

Sam Andrews

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Re: Golf Channel moving to Stamford Connecticut
« Reply #33 on: March 12, 2020, 05:52:06 AM »
Arble on Architecture ?
He's the hairy handed gent, who ran amok in Kent.

Duncan Cheslett

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Re: Golf Channel moving to Stamford Connecticut
« Reply #34 on: March 12, 2020, 06:21:29 AM »
Taking the podcast format one step further and having the discussion on camera complete with video clips is an obvious development.


It would pull the rug out from high-cost established TV companies such as The Golf Channel. Maybe they can see the writing on the wall...


Arble on Architecture is one I’d certainly subscribe to...

Bernie Bell

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Re: Golf Channel moving to Stamford Connecticut
« Reply #35 on: March 12, 2020, 11:50:10 AM »
I'm on board for that too.  Perhaps also a "Happy Hockey" podcast for UK on the NHL, kind of a "Men in Blazers" in reverse.

V_Halyard

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Re: Golf Channel moving to Stamford Connecticut
« Reply #36 on: March 19, 2020, 10:56:45 AM »
One driving factor is the NBC-Universal / ESPN-Disney have crafted a solid Film/TV Production tax environment in Connecticut. That plus the cost savings realized from consolidated production operations made the move somewhat inevitable. As Kostis warned in the NLA Pod, improving GOLF production quality does not likely deliver ROI. PGATour will now control the tour's content gatekeeping through their own in-house production arm.
That said, deeper investment in original programming is not out of the question. The COVID-19 crisis has ESPN sitting prettiest in the sports world based on their investments in original content like 30 for 30 E60 and the other documentaries.
I could go on but it would begin to bore even this GCA group,... which is admitting a lot as we are the folks even everyday golfers are most afraid to get stuck on the couch with at a party.
« Last Edit: March 19, 2020, 10:59:43 AM by V_Halyard »
"It's a tiny little ball that doesn't even move... how hard could it be?"  I will walk and carry 'til I can't... or look (really) stupid.

Kalen Braley

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Re: Golf Channel moving to Stamford Connecticut
« Reply #37 on: March 19, 2020, 11:08:59 AM »
Vhal,


Seems to make sense given ESPN keeps its corp HQ there despite having several opportunities to move elsewhere.  Funny you mention ESPN and Covid19 because every time I pass by on the TV menu they have Sports Center on and I'm like what the hell are they even talking about right now!


P.S. As for parties, speak for yourself.  I'm at least a better than average mix and mingler, especially after I've got 2 or 3 or 5 in me!  ;D

jeffwarne

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Re: Golf Channel moving to Stamford Connecticut
« Reply #38 on: March 19, 2020, 11:27:45 AM »
Vhal,


Seems to make sense given ESPN keeps its corp HQ there despite having several opportunities to move elsewhere.  Funny you mention ESPN and Covid19 because every time I pass by on the TV menu they have Sports Center on and I'm like what the hell are they even talking about right now!


P.S. As for parties, speak for yourself.  I'm at least a better than average mix and mingler, especially after I've got 2 or 3 or 5 in me!  ;D


Spot on on ESPN with the Sports Center, and every time I turn on Golf Channel it's Feherty...Bring on past Opens and Masters


as to the party/couch, yep I've definitley had more than a few glazed looks rambling on about golf courses, especially when all people want to talk to me about at parties is THEIR swing.....
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

V_Halyard

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Re: Golf Channel moving to Stamford Connecticut
« Reply #39 on: March 19, 2020, 11:29:31 AM »
Vhal,


Seems to make sense given ESPN keeps its corp HQ there despite having several opportunities to move elsewhere.  Funny you mention ESPN and Covid19 because every time I pass by on the TV menu they have Sports Center on and I'm like what the hell are they even talking about right now!

P.S. As for parties, speak for yourself.  I'm at least a better than average mix and mingler, especially after I've got 2 or 3 or 5 in me!  ;D
haha Kalen, I assume we would be the conversation on the couch in the living room that drives people to stand 12 deep in the kitchen.
ESPN is genius. Yesterday, they turned NFL Free Agency into a 24hour news alert... with a countdown clock that showed to the second when free agency began... 5p Eastern.
Bam: "Where will Tom Brady Go, How may tickets will be sold, I was on hold for an hour at Ticketmaster, why did Houston trade a wide receiver..." etc
They invented a category, X-Games, and morphed it into a set of Olympic sports.   
Sometimes they try things for fun and see if they can sell the ads. 
For its faults, one of the best places I ever worked.
The thing they do best is re-invest in programming, production value and original content creation.
The early release of the Michael Jordan will inhale subscriptions and bandwidth.
If we could get them to put heat on golf, golf would win.
They all love it to death.
« Last Edit: March 19, 2020, 11:37:36 AM by V_Halyard »
"It's a tiny little ball that doesn't even move... how hard could it be?"  I will walk and carry 'til I can't... or look (really) stupid.

Kalen Braley

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Re: Golf Channel moving to Stamford Connecticut
« Reply #40 on: March 19, 2020, 11:56:15 AM »
That makes sense Vaughn, they do really get into the off season stuff, which in general i'm not interested in....except for Basketball as I do admit I enjoy watching the speculation, FA signings, drama, etc.  ;)


Didn't know you worked there, I could see that being fun at least for awhile.  I'm guessing when they opened thier LA division, they had no shortage of volunteers to relocate.

Jeff Schley

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Re: Golf Channel moving to Stamford Connecticut
« Reply #41 on: March 19, 2020, 12:38:39 PM »

ESPN is genius.
Genius enough to acquire StoryLounge Productions?  Should be on their radar.
"To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice your gifts."
- Steve Prefontaine

V_Halyard

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Re: Golf Channel moving to Stamford Connecticut
« Reply #42 on: March 27, 2020, 07:15:00 PM »

ESPN is genius.
Genius enough to acquire StoryLounge Productions?  Should be on their radar.
ha. ur 2 kind
They do still buy, just a la carte. Too much gives them indigestion.  Lol
"It's a tiny little ball that doesn't even move... how hard could it be?"  I will walk and carry 'til I can't... or look (really) stupid.

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