I love the greens at Riviera but those trees left of 10!

[mike_malone]

Just put some interesting bunkers or nasty grass there.

[Steve Lapper]

Just put some interesting bunkers or nasty grass there.

Mayday,


   Having played this hole dozens of times, those trees are perfectly placed and a unique hazard for this wonderful hole. Part of this is a safety concern for players walking down left side of #11. There is just enough room between some of them to allow for creative recovery shots.

[mike_malone]

 Steve,


 Visibility is best safety.

[Marty Bonnar]

Those rolled-top greenside bunker edges must be a right bugger to maintain. Pretty, though!
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[Thomas Dai]

I don’t usually watch that much TV golf these days, certainly not as much as I once did a few decades ago, but there was a lovely little quip on the TV coverage last night.
One of the commentators highlighted the eucalyptus trees and how they soak up water in a certain spot on the course. One of the other commentators, I think it might have been Phil Tatuarangi, responded very quietly, almost under his breath with “some people like might like to see them removed*”.
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* may have been “taken out”.

[Steve Lapper]

Steve,


 Visibility is best safety.

Mike,


1000% false. A ball hooked (or a Lefty Cut) hit hard enough to that area would NEVER be seen walking down the 11th. Go there once and see for yourself my friend.

[Jason Topp]

Has this hole gotten out of whack with the green so severe that it has killed the layup as a reasonable choice?

[John Crowley]

Those rolled-top greenside bunker edges must be a right bugger to maintain. Pretty, though!
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And, if your ball ends up on the bunker edge your stance is problematic, the turf is so spongy that it is like hitting while standing on a balloon!

[Joel_Stewart]

Has this hole gotten out of whack with the green so severe that it has killed the layup as a reasonable choice?

Good point but it depends on the pin position. If it's far right or left it makes it easier. A pin in the middle with fast greens is almost impossible. 

[Joe Zucker]

Has this hole gotten out of whack with the green so severe that it has killed the layup as a reasonable choice?

Good point but it depends on the pin position. If it's far right or left it makes it easier. A pin in the middle with fast greens is almost impossible.

How hard is it if the pros completely abandoned any attempt tp make a 3?  If they played only for a 4 (laying up off the tee, then a wedge to the front part of the green and two putts), I doubt they wouldn't be able to achieve that almost every time.  Maybe it just means that the hole is not a birdie opportunity, even if it's driveable. 

[Adam Clayman]

Mayday, The tree abomination exists on 13, Not #10.

[Pete Lavallee]

I like the back to back combination of 12 & 13, the first demands a fade oof the tee and the second a draw; what’s not to like about that?

[Ted Sturges]

Mayday, The tree abomination exists on 13, Not #10.

Totally agree Adam.  Cut down those trees on the inside of the dogleg on 13, bringing the ditch back in play, then fix the Fazio green on 8 that looks like nothing else on the course...and Riviera would be a Doak 10.


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[Matt_Cohn]

Has the fairway just shrunk and moved out to the right? Because it's a good 25 or 30 yards left of the fairway to where the barranca exists now.

[Alex Miller]

Has the fairway just shrunk and moved out to the right? Because it's a good 25 or 30 yards left of the fairway to where the barranca exists now.

Bingo. In order to bring the barranca into play and still have it be challenging for the pros the entire fairway would have to be shifted left thereby nearly eliminating the dogleg or some sort of center-line bunker should be added.




Back to number 10 - the eucalyptus left of the green is one thing, but the little trees and palms are an eyesore. IMO the best option would be a bunker or even expansion of the wash that runs across 11 in front of the tees. The ugliness of the trees does outweigh the strategic merit they present.

[Joel_Stewart]

Mayday, The tree abomination exists on 13, Not #10.

Totally agree Adam.  Cut down those trees on the inside of the dogleg on 13, bringing the ditch back in play, then fix the Fazio green on 8 that looks like nothing else on the course...and Riviera would be a Doak 10.


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Agree. There's a little more work that could be done. I posted on Instagram a photo of 6 from 1948 and today. There's a lot that could be done there as well.


The club has said they want to take down those eucalyptus trees on 13 but one person is standing in the way, the owner.


There's a faction of people who want the left side of 1 to be fixed. Standing on that tee, looking down, all you see to the left  is asphalt and some ugly buildings. I know of others that want the barranca restored going across the 1st as well. In the 70s that was a raging river at times which is now just a small depression.

[Kalen Braley]

I know 10 is pretty small, but overall how does the green sizes at Riv compare to the average tour stop? Or even Pebble? 


I only ask because due to the firm conditions and slope, seems they were giving the players fits...