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Thomas Dai

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Visually identifying GB architects
« on: November 29, 2019, 01:03:41 PM »
Scroll down past the initial letters to see photos of various British golf course architects and pro/architects from days gone bye.
Who's who though?
Watch out for an interloper :)
Good luck.
atb

Space here for your answers -
A Philip MacKenzie Ross
B SV Hotchkin
C John Morrison
D Tom Simpson
E James Braid
F Frank Pennick
G Harry Vardon
H Guy Campbell
I John Abercromby
J Ben Sayers
K Herbert Fowler
L Harry Colt
M JH Taylor
N OTM
O Maurice Flitcroft .. the interloper :)
P Ken Cotton
Q CK Hutchison
R CH Alison
S Willie Fernie
T Major Charles MacKenzie

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B


C


D


E


F


G


H


I


J - player on right, not caddy on left!


K


L


M


N


O


P


Q


R


S


T
« Last Edit: November 30, 2019, 12:41:02 PM by Thomas Dai »

Adam Lawrence

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Re: Visually identifying GB architects - quiz
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2019, 04:11:50 PM »
That photo of Hugh Alison looks like the sort of thing the police would issue...
Adam Lawrence

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Tom_Doak

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Re: Visually identifying GB architects - quiz
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2019, 09:32:17 PM »
I feel foolish that I can only identify a few of these.


I believe I know who E, N and R, are.


Is "M" the famous Ted Ray?  Did he ever design a course?

James Reader

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Re: Visually identifying GB architects - quiz
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2019, 04:00:08 AM »
I thought M was JH Taylor. Now I’m not so sure.

Thomas Dai

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Re: Visually identifying GB architects - quiz
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2019, 04:05:05 AM »
I thought M was JH Taylor. Now I’m not so sure.


M is indeed John Henry Taylor.
Atb

Thomas Dai

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Re: Visually identifying GB architects - quiz
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2019, 04:06:43 AM »
That photo of Hugh Alison looks like the sort of thing the police would issue...
Who, other than Adam, knows which photo is CH Alison?
Atb

Sean_A

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Re: Visually identifying GB architects - quiz
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2019, 04:24:46 AM »
That photo of Hugh Alison looks like the sort of thing the police would issue...

Exceptionally unfriendly police at that!

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Thomas Dai

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Re: Visually identifying GB architects - quiz
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2019, 04:32:21 AM »
That photo of Hugh Alison looks like the sort of thing the police would issue...
Exceptionally unfriendly police at that!
Happy Hockey
Hint - photo not taken in the country or commonwealth of CHA’s birth. Very popular architect there though. Even named a particular feature after him.
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Tom_Doak

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Re: Visually identifying GB architects - quiz
« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2019, 04:54:06 AM »
That photo of Hugh Alison looks like the sort of thing the police would issue...
Who, other than Adam, knows which photo is CH Alison?
Atb


I thought he was R.

Thomas Dai

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Re: Visually identifying GB architects - quiz
« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2019, 05:02:45 AM »
That photo of Hugh Alison looks like the sort of thing the police would issue...
Who, other than Adam, knows which photo is CH Alison?
Atb
I thought he was R.
CH Alison is R
atb

Niall C

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Re: Visually identifying GB architects - quiz
« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2019, 06:07:01 AM »
A few I know and quite a few are a guess;


A - Philip MacKenzie Ross ?


B - Harry Colt ?


C - JSF Morrison ?


D - Henry Cotton ?


E - James Braid


F - Frank Pennink ? (was he not dutch ?)


G - Harry Vardon


H - Guy Campbell


I - JF Abercrombie ?


J - Ben Sayers


K - WH Fowler


L - CH Alison ?


M - JH Taylor


N - Old Tom


O - Maurice Flitcroft ?


P -


Q - CK Hutchison


R -


S - Willie Fernie


T - Charles MacKenzie ?

Thomas Dai

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Re: Visually identifying GB architects - quiz
« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2019, 06:17:59 AM »
A few I know and quite a few are a guess;
A - Philip MacKenzie Ross ?
B - Harry Colt ?
C - JSF Morrison ?
D - Henry Cotton ?
E - James Braid
F - Frank Pennink ? (was he not dutch ?) born in Holland but moved to GB when a small lad.
G - Harry Vardon
H - Guy Campbell
I - JF Abercrombie ?
J - Ben Sayers
K - WH Fowler
L - CH Alison ?
M - JH Taylor
N - Old Tom
O - Maurice Flitcroft ?
P -
Q - CK Hutchison
R -
S - Willie Fernie
T - Charles MacKenzie ?


Excellent Niall.
All bar B, D and L are correct.
Very astute getting O - it was impossible for me not to include at least one interloper and he seemed the perfect choice given his track record.
T is another astute spot too.
Atb

Niall C

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Re: Visually identifying GB architects - quiz
« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2019, 06:35:53 AM »
David


Thanks, I don't know whether to be happy or sad that I'm such a sad b*****d that I actually know this stuff !


In terms of B and L I originally thought B might be Guy Campbell but then I was sure he was H. I originally thought L was Colt but then figured it might also be Alison so switched the two around.


I feel I should know P but can't quite get it. A pro turned architect by the looks of him. R looks like he could be a Hawtree but that is a pure guess.


Going back to D, that's not a photo of Simpson, is it ? He was not a man that liked being photographed and a shot of him being caught off guard as he looked the other way seems likely.


Niall

Niall C

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Re: Visually identifying GB architects - quiz
« Reply #13 on: November 30, 2019, 06:37:17 AM »
David


I forgot to say, thanks for going to the effort of creating this thread, I always love these picture quizzes.


Niall

Sean_A

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Re: Visually identifying GB architects - quiz
« Reply #14 on: November 30, 2019, 06:50:52 AM »
I feel foolish that I can only identify a few of these.

I believe I know who E, N and R, are.

Is "M" the famous Ted Ray?  Did he ever design a course?

You ought to be ashamed not recognising B. A cheque may be cancelled!

I am shocked L hasn't been identified!

Looking at the list, I don't see Simpson. So I will guess that for D. Though I never recall seeing a club in his hand nor being what appears to be very short.

Happy Hockey
« Last Edit: November 30, 2019, 06:57:42 AM by Sean_A »
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Tom_Doak

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Re: Visually identifying GB architects - quiz
« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2019, 06:57:08 AM »
I feel foolish that I can only identify a few of these.

I believe I know who E, N and R, are.

Is "M" the famous Ted Ray?  Did he ever design a course?

You ought to be ashamed not recognising B. A cheque may be cancelled!



I thought that might be Col. Hotchkin, but I didn't want to get it wrong and be ridiculed on that end.  Didn't think I would get that treatment anyway.  >:(


I was also going to guess Tom Simpson for D, as Niall did.  My rationale was that not many golf architects in history would dress like that.

Sean_A

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Re: Visually identifying GB architects - quiz
« Reply #16 on: November 30, 2019, 07:02:21 AM »
I feel foolish that I can only identify a few of these.

I believe I know who E, N and R, are.

Is "M" the famous Ted Ray?  Did he ever design a course?

You ought to be ashamed not recognising B. A cheque may be cancelled!

I thought that might be Col. Hotchkin, but I didn't want to get it wrong and be ridiculed on that end.  Didn't think I would get that treatment anyway.  >:(

To paraphrase the great Pavel Datsyuk, sometimes you play the piano and sometimes you pull it.  ;)

Happy Hockey
« Last Edit: December 01, 2019, 04:53:29 AM by Sean_A »
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Jeff Schley

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Re: Visually identifying GB architects - quiz
« Reply #17 on: November 30, 2019, 07:10:52 AM »
Thomas I didn't want to respond as I am embarrassed to not know hardly any. :(
I'm sure it took you some time to find all those photos, good work.
"To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice your gifts."
- Steve Prefontaine

Thomas Dai

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Re: Visually identifying GB architects - quiz
« Reply #18 on: November 30, 2019, 07:23:18 AM »
Thanks for the kind words. Much appreciated. Sourcing the photos was quite quick and easy. Posting them herein less so.


I was very impressed with Niall's spot of Maurice Flitcroft, "the interloper" - see this link for Wiki's summary of his life, quite a character -[size=78%]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Flitcroft[/size] - and also for spotting Major Charles MacKenzie rather than his more famous and not dissimilar looking brother Dr Alister.


Perhaps when all the blanks have been completed someone else will do a North American version.


atb

Niall C

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Re: Visually identifying GB architects - quiz
« Reply #19 on: November 30, 2019, 07:26:02 AM »
It's now a bit like the final pieces of a jigsaw........ we have the Colt piece, the ACM Croome piece (?) and the Simpson piece. Should have stuck with initial thought on L  :-[


Niall

BCrosby

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Re: Visually identifying GB architects - quiz
« Reply #20 on: November 30, 2019, 07:35:07 AM »
D is definitely Simpson. His playing companion, Molly Gourley, was cropped from the original picture.


 

Thomas Dai

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Re: Visually identifying GB architects - quiz
« Reply #21 on: November 30, 2019, 07:45:44 AM »
D is definitely Simpson. His playing companion, Molly Gourley, was cropped from the original picture.
Correct identification and also correct about the cropping.
Atb

Thomas Dai

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Re: Visually identifying GB architects - quiz
« Reply #22 on: November 30, 2019, 07:48:57 AM »
I feel foolish that I can only identify a few of these.
I believe I know who E, N and R, are.
Is "M" the famous Ted Ray?  Did he ever design a course?
You ought to be ashamed not recognising B. A cheque may be cancelled!
I thought that might be Col. Hotchkin, but I didn't want to get it wrong and be ridiculed on that end.  Didn't think I would get that treatment anyway.  >:(
I was also going to guess Tom Simpson for D, as Niall did.  My rationale was that not many golf architects in history would dress like that.
B is indeed Col SV Hotchkin and D is Tom Simpson.
Atb

Thomas Dai

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Re: Visually identifying GB architects - quiz
« Reply #23 on: November 30, 2019, 07:54:01 AM »
It's now a bit like the final pieces of a jigsaw........ we have the Colt piece, the ACM Croome piece (?) and the Simpson piece. Should have stuck with initial thought on L  :-[
Niall


You should have stuck with your original thought on L for, as hinted elsewhere, it is Harry Colt.


Only 1 remaining and it’s not ACM Croome.


Who is the mysterious Mr ‘P’ ?


Atb

James Reader

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Re: Visually identifying GB architects - quiz
« Reply #24 on: November 30, 2019, 09:10:57 AM »
P is CK Cotton.


It’s actually quite tricky to search for CK Cotton images to check.  You get endless photos of Calvin Klein cotton underwear!