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Ira Fishman

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National Memberships
« on: October 11, 2019, 07:56:49 AM »
How do National Memberships work in the US?  I am familiar with non-resident memberships--we have one--where you pay lower initiation and dues, but there are no limits on how many times we play or bringing guests.  It sounds as if National Memberships are different and that quite a few posters have one or more. 


Thanks,


Ira

Jeff Schley

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Re: National Memberships
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2019, 04:00:19 PM »
I have a couple and have checked out various ones around the country as well.  You are correct in that you have a much lower up front initiation and dues. Prairie Dunes for example has a very attractive one for it doesn't limit play to a certain number of rounds.  Ballyneal has the unique aspect where your PARENTS are also considered members, which is very unique and very attractive for some. I have only run into 1 that would include a national member (who isn't an equity member) a % assessment of any full assessment, which really turned me off.

However all others I have looked into have a round limit on the year from 12-24 rounds.  Some in the south limit you in season rounds (winter) and no limit on out of season.  No limits on guests other than the typical rules for full members in terms of how many on weekends etc. Another nice aspect is that at some places which have tee sheets that open 7 days in advance they allow national members to book anytime outside of 7 days for they know you are coming in for certain days and can book times to accommodate you coming into town.
Typical distances are between 50-250 miles at a minimum for a residence or work address. I think they are wonderful tiers to get access to a great club where you visit family/travel to/ or work.
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John Kavanaugh

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Re: National Memberships
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2019, 04:33:52 PM »
Seriously, who has enough money to join a National Club and parents young enough to walk Ballyneal. Shackelford maybe?!?

Mike Sweeney

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Re: National Memberships
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2019, 06:49:08 PM »
Back in the "Glory Days", I did a bunch of them. Winter (Florida), Summer (Cape Cod), and cool Coore & Crenshaw (really close to greatness, but...).


None of it makes sense economically, BUT we had a great crew of golfers (many GCAers) and it was an enormous amount of fun. I stink at golf, but I am pretty good at fun.


My poor son was dragged to many golf rounds where he just wanted to drive a cart, but I made him walk and now he is my #1 golf partner.


Go have some fun, and realize that on the other side of that fun, you may say, "How much did I spend??!!"


PS - I still have my Overseas Membership at Enniscrone (Ireland), and my son is in Florida now so I have the next two winters covered. :)


"One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us."

Dr. Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark

Jim_Kennedy

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Re: National Memberships
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2019, 12:37:53 PM »
Seriously, who has enough money to join a National Club and parents young enough to walk Ballyneal. Shackelford maybe?!?


Enterprising young'uns could always try convincing their parents to buy it for them as a 'family' gift.  ;D
   
"I never beat a well man in my life" - Harry Vardon

Paul Jones

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Re: National Memberships
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2019, 10:11:18 PM »
Ira,


I joined a club as a Natl Member so I could bring a group of friends for a long weekend to get away from South Louisiana heat during the year.  Most clubs are accessible in the US with a call from your Pro, just not on a Friday afternoon or Saturday morning.  Most of the clubs do have a limit on the number of rounds for Natl Members, but I doubt many would actually enforce that rule as you usually come up with friends and spend a lot of money.  I think the limit is to discourage people from trying to game the system and show up every weekend to play at the discounted initiation and dues.  I try to make it to my club 3x times a year and play 3-5 rounds each trip.
Paul Jones
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V_Halyard

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Re: National Memberships
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2019, 10:38:36 PM »
I have a couple and have checked out various ones around the country as well.  You are correct in that you have a much lower up front initiation and dues. Prairie Dunes for example has a very attractive one for it doesn't limit play to a certain number of rounds.  Ballyneal has the unique aspect where your PARENTS are also considered members, which is very unique and very attractive for some. I have only run into 1 that would include a national member (who isn't an equity member) a % assessment of any full assessment, which really turned me off.

However all others I have looked into have a round limit on the year from 12-24 rounds.  Some in the south limit you in season rounds (winter) and no limit on out of season.  No limits on guests other than the typical rules for full members in terms of how many on weekends etc. Another nice aspect is that at some places which have tee sheets that open 7 days in advance they allow national members to book anytime outside of 7 days for they know you are coming in for certain days and can book times to accommodate you coming into town.
Typical distances are between 50-250 miles at a minimum for a [size=78%]residence or work address. I think they are wonderful tiers to get access to a great club where you visit family/travel to/ or work.[/size]
Jeff, unlimited play for you! I have your app!
"It's a tiny little ball that doesn't even move... how hard could it be?"  I will walk and carry 'til I can't... or look (really) stupid.

Matthew Rose

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Re: National Memberships
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2019, 11:01:18 PM »
I played Ballyneal with a 12 year-old kid (and his dad).

Not only did he beat me but he also made his way around the par three course pretty good, well after I was beyond the point of being able to stand up long enough to hit a shot.
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Bill Gayne

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Re: National Memberships
« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2019, 11:18:22 AM »
The Ballyneal offer hits a perfect target market for a guy like me. Mid fifties with a twenty year old son that loves golf. I pay the upfront nut and he gets a lifetime of great golf.


Bill

John Kavanaugh

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Re: National Memberships
« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2019, 11:26:25 AM »
Bill,


How many more years do you think you can travel to a destination club and walk that second 18 of the day? Now that I'm pushing 60 just the travel alone is eating me up.

Bill Gayne

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Re: National Memberships
« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2019, 11:37:55 AM »
I'm in pretty good shape without any history of orthopedic problems and have no problem carrying 36 now. Without putting a number on it, if I take care of myself I should have a ways to go.

Bill Seitz

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Re: National Memberships
« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2019, 12:57:28 PM »
How do National Memberships work in the US?  I am familiar with non-resident memberships--we have one--where you pay lower initiation and dues, but there are no limits on how many times we play or bringing guests.  It sounds as if National Memberships are different and that quite a few posters have one or more. 


Thanks,


Ira


I'm no expert, but my guess is that it likely varies depending on each club's particular model.  Urban clubs with robust local memberships that offer discounted national memberships are probably more likely to limit the privileges of national members.  More remote clubs that are based on a a national membership model likely don't, or may not even bifurcate (does Sand Hills or Ballyneal have "local" members?).  You may even see places that have regional models, where local may be within 60 miles, regional 61-150 miles, and national 151 or more. 


I'm a national/non-resident member at my club, and my privileges aren't limited vis a vis local members.  My understanding is that it's a much better deal for local members, who don't pay all that much more, but are able to use it a lot more often.  I'm a five hour drive away.  Also, our "local" members are often not residents of the area, but spend more than a specific amount of time in the area (like 30 consecutive days, or something like that), as many of them spend the summer in the area. 


So I don't think there's an easy answer to your question.  It really depends on the circumstances of each club, but you'll probably find many similarities among similarly situated clubs.  Again, just guessing.

Tommy Williamsen

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Re: National Memberships
« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2019, 01:08:32 PM »
Bill,


How many more years do you think you can travel to a destination club and walk that second 18 of the day? Now that I'm pushing 60 just the travel alone is eating me up.


John, I'm on the north side of 70. We played 36 each day at VN. My wife drove my clubs while I walked. On the second 18 I rode periodically. Seems to work well for us.
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John Kavanaugh

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Re: National Memberships
« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2019, 01:30:39 PM »
Tommy,


Victoria is an easier walk than Ballyneal. #Superstar