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Mark Pearce

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Re: PESTS GS: BUDA CUP XVIII (2020) @ KINGTON & WELSHPOOL
« Reply #200 on: August 17, 2020, 02:41:45 AM »
I suspect that many CONGU handicaps will go down considerably, because now it is best 8 of last 20. Previously those 12 other rounds were also factored into the handicap, now they are just ignored.

There's a different philosophy in the WHS: they want your handicap index to reflect your potential, not your actual performances.
I doubt that very much Ulrich.  Under CONGU, for higher handicappers (the least consistent), those 12 rounds would only give you 0.1 back.  The two or three of your 8 which were better than handicap could take a full shot off and the 5 or 6 which were around handicap would be neutral.  CONGU very much represented the best you were for higher handicappers.  I understand that when they have run the conversion here to see what change it will make, the vast majority see no or very little change.  Obviously what we have never had is the vanity handicap caused by players regarding heroically optimistic rounds from social games where the ball never saw the bottom of the cup and there was no pressure on the player.
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Ulrich Mayring

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Re: PESTS GS: BUDA CUP XVIII (2020) @ KINGTON & WELSHPOOL
« Reply #201 on: August 17, 2020, 03:04:09 AM »
I can't argue with your points, you are probably right. What I've seen when comparing USGA and EGA systems in the past (which are somewhat similar to WHS and CONGU) is that the USGA handicap index was quicker to fall and also quicker to rise. So if your EGA has been lingering around, say, 15, then the equivalent USGA calculation would quickly go down to 12 with a couple of good rounds and just as quickly bring you back to 20. But overall and on average, the USGA handicap was always lower than the equivalent EGA handicap (putting in the same performance data).

The USGA system had that bonus for excellence, which was scrapped in the WHS, but probably over-compensated for by counting the best 8 instead of best 10 rounds. Vanity handicappers will not be affected, as they don't post any scores, once they've reached their target number.
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Mark Pearce

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Re: PESTS GS: BUDA CUP XVIII (2020) @ KINGTON & WELSHPOOL
« Reply #202 on: August 17, 2020, 06:57:00 AM »
No doubt that the old US system and now the WHS will move more quickly than CONGU.  One of the real problems with CONGU was how slowly handicaps would go up.  As to US indexes being lower than equivalent CONGU handicaps that, I think is Mike's point.  A US golfer's course handicap would, on most courses, be higher than their index and therefore nearer the CONGU handicap.  Comparing indexes to CONGU handicaps was always a mistake.


Mike, we understood the difference completely but it was always entertaining to have you explain it again in the pub the night before the matches started.  BUDA will never be the same without the annual handicap debate.
In June I will be riding the first three stages of this year's Tour de France route for charity.  630km (394 miles) in three days, with 7800m (25,600 feet) of climbing for the William Wates Memorial Trust (https://rideleloop.org/the-charity/) which supports underprivileged young people.

Michael Whitaker

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Re: PESTS GS: BUDA CUP XVIII (2020) @ KINGTON & WELSHPOOL
« Reply #203 on: August 17, 2020, 08:04:03 AM »
Mike, we understood the difference completely but it was always entertaining to have you explain it again in the pub the night before the matches started.  BUDA will never be the same without the annual handicap debate.
My pleasure. 😉
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Ben Stephens

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Re: PESTS GS: BUDA CUP XVIII (2020) @ KINGTON & WELSHPOOL
« Reply #204 on: August 17, 2020, 04:51:41 PM »
Mike, we understood the difference completely but it was always entertaining to have you explain it again in the pub the night before the matches started.  BUDA will never be the same without the annual handicap debate.
My pleasure. 😉


And the end of any Whitty bashing in the singles me thinks  ;D

Michael Whitaker

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Re: PESTS GS: BUDA CUP XVIII (2020) @ KINGTON & WELSHPOOL
« Reply #205 on: August 17, 2020, 05:52:21 PM »
Mike, we understood the difference completely but it was always entertaining to have you explain it again in the pub the night before the matches started.  BUDA will never be the same without the annual handicap debate.
My pleasure. 😉


And the end of any Whitty bashing in the singles me thinks  ;D
You wish!!!
"Solving the paradox of proportionality is the heart of golf architecture."  - Tom Doak (11/20/05)

Mark Pearce

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Re: PESTS GS: BUDA CUP XVIII (2020) @ KINGTON & WELSHPOOL
« Reply #206 on: August 19, 2020, 05:11:11 AM »
So, we have some very understandable withdrawals.  How many are still in? I (and at least two of three offspring) still are.  As is Conrad.
In June I will be riding the first three stages of this year's Tour de France route for charity.  630km (394 miles) in three days, with 7800m (25,600 feet) of climbing for the William Wates Memorial Trust (https://rideleloop.org/the-charity/) which supports underprivileged young people.

Robin_Hiseman

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Re: PESTS GS: BUDA CUP XVIII (2020) @ KINGTON & WELSHPOOL
« Reply #207 on: August 19, 2020, 07:16:26 AM »
Still game.


We might be 10-12. Can we recruit any more UK'ers?
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Thomas Dai

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Re: PESTS GS: BUDA CUP XVIII (2020) @ KINGTON & WELSHPOOL
« Reply #208 on: August 19, 2020, 07:27:51 AM »
Son and heir and I plan to be at Kington on at least one day.
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Sean_A

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Re: PESTS GS: BUDA CUP XVIII (2020) @ KINGTON & WELSHPOOL
« Reply #209 on: August 19, 2020, 10:58:40 AM »
Sean, it seems the decision has been made for me. The Netherlands have been removed from the list of safe travel corridors yesterday, so I'd have to self-isolate for 14 days upon arriving in the UK. That cannot be done, so I have to pull out. This stinks. I hope I can join next time!

Sorry to hear this.  Email me your bank details and I will refund the deposit.

Ciao
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Tony_Muldoon

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Re: PESTS GS: BUDA CUP XVIII (2020) @ KINGTON & WELSHPOOL
« Reply #210 on: August 26, 2020, 05:45:46 AM »
As ever i'm up for more golf! Happy to organise with the clubs.


Doc and Boony are you still up for Church Stretton on the Thursday PM?


Also considering staying over Sunday night and adding Landrindod Wells Sunday PM.

Returning eastwards is there a better choice to break the journey than Broadway (which I've yet to see) on Monday?
Let's make GCA grate again!

Mark Pearce

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Re: PESTS GS: BUDA CUP XVIII (2020) @ KINGTON & WELSHPOOL
« Reply #211 on: August 26, 2020, 06:30:57 AM »
Tony,


Finlay, Gregor and I might be interested in Church Stretton on the Thursday afternoon, too.


Sean,


We're still looking at Cam's travel options but his attendance is looking less likely.  Hold on to the cash for the moment.


Mark
In June I will be riding the first three stages of this year's Tour de France route for charity.  630km (394 miles) in three days, with 7800m (25,600 feet) of climbing for the William Wates Memorial Trust (https://rideleloop.org/the-charity/) which supports underprivileged young people.

Robin_Hiseman

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Re: PESTS GS: BUDA CUP XVIII (2020) @ KINGTON & WELSHPOOL
« Reply #212 on: August 26, 2020, 08:19:48 AM »
Tony


Yes from me. I'll be at Church Stretton.
2024: RSt.D; Mill Ride; Milford; Notts; JCB, Jameson Links, Druids Glen, Royal Dublin, Portmarnock, Old Head, Addington, Parkstone, Denham, Thurlestone, Dartmouth, Rustic Canyon, LACC (N), MPCC (Shore), Cal Club, San Fran, Epsom, Casa Serena, Hayling, Co. Sligo, Strandhill, Carne, Cleeve Hill

Niall C

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Re: PESTS GS: BUDA CUP XVIII (2020) @ KINGTON & WELSHPOOL
« Reply #213 on: August 27, 2020, 06:00:28 PM »
Sean/Tony


I'm in. The alternative tour got cancelled. I'll need to check what I signed up for previously but I think I'd be up for stretching the trip out a bit.


Niall

Duncan Cheslett

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Re: PESTS GS: BUDA CUP XVIII (2020) @ KINGTON & WELSHPOOL
« Reply #214 on: August 29, 2020, 01:44:52 AM »
Jayne and I will wend our way down to Welshpool for the afternoon round on the Friday. On Saturday I'll play 36 at Kington while Jayne will have a lie in and join us in the afternoon. We'll both play Sunday morning - although Jayne reserves the right to change her mind about that!  ;)


If anyone travelling from the north fancies breaking the journey in the Manchester area we'd be delighted to host you at Cavendish and/or Stockport on the Thursday. Welshpool is only an hour and 40 minutes from us.


Looking forward to it!
« Last Edit: August 29, 2020, 01:56:39 AM by Duncan Cheslett »

Thomas Dai

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Re: PESTS GS: BUDA CUP XVIII (2020) @ KINGTON & WELSHPOOL
« Reply #215 on: August 29, 2020, 03:15:46 AM »
The long hitting 'Lighthouse' and I are looking forward to seeing you all and playing Kington on the Sunday.
atb

James Boon

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Re: PESTS GS: BUDA CUP XVIII (2020) @ KINGTON & WELSHPOOL
« Reply #216 on: August 29, 2020, 06:48:52 AM »
Tony


Yes from me. I'll be at Church Stretton.


Yep, I'm still up for Church Stretton beforehand.


Just spoke to Sean to confirm I'm still up for all day at Welshpool and the morning of the first day at Kington but I may be able to stretch that. I'll confirm shortly.


Cheers,


James


ps Robin, looking at your signature, this may be the first time we ever meet up when you will have had more golf under your belt than me!  :o

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Robin_Hiseman

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Re: PESTS GS: BUDA CUP XVIII (2020) @ KINGTON & WELSHPOOL
« Reply #217 on: August 30, 2020, 04:31:46 PM »
James


Making up for missing most of 2019!


Shall we say noon to meet at Church Stretton?
2024: RSt.D; Mill Ride; Milford; Notts; JCB, Jameson Links, Druids Glen, Royal Dublin, Portmarnock, Old Head, Addington, Parkstone, Denham, Thurlestone, Dartmouth, Rustic Canyon, LACC (N), MPCC (Shore), Cal Club, San Fran, Epsom, Casa Serena, Hayling, Co. Sligo, Strandhill, Carne, Cleeve Hill

Thomas Dai

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Re: PESTS GS: BUDA CUP XVIII (2020) @ KINGTON & WELSHPOOL
« Reply #218 on: August 30, 2020, 04:54:56 PM »
Any participants looking for a game on the Mon/Tues after Kington by all means get in touch.
Minchinhampton Old, Painswick, Cleeve Cloud, etc etc.
Atb

John Mayhugh

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Re: PESTS GS: BUDA CUP XVIII (2020) @ KINGTON & WELSHPOOL
« Reply #219 on: August 31, 2020, 12:16:43 PM »
Sean's profile of Church Stretton has one of my favorite golf photos - the 12th green and the participants.

https://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,44733.msg975496.html#msg975496

Killing me to miss this trip.



Mike Hendren

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Re: PESTS GS: BUDA CUP XVIII (2020) @ KINGTON & WELSHPOOL
« Reply #220 on: September 01, 2020, 11:07:57 AM »
John, thanks for posting - I was compelled to re-read the entire review.  When reading Sean's excellent profiles I can't help but wonder:  When and why  did golf architecture go awry in so many ways?


Like you, I am so disappointed regarding Buda.  I think I'll console myself with a two weeks trip next year to Wales and the Cotswolds.   


Be well,


Mike
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mike_malone

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Re: PESTS GS: BUDA CUP XVIII (2020) @ KINGTON & WELSHPOOL
« Reply #221 on: September 01, 2020, 05:28:56 PM »
Golf.com just issued 25 best courses in the world under 6000 yards. Both Welshpool and Kington were listed. Arghh.
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Sean_A

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Re: PESTS GS: BUDA CUP XVIII (2020) @ KINGTON & WELSHPOOL
« Reply #222 on: September 01, 2020, 05:48:31 PM »
Golf.com just issued 25 best courses in the world under 6000 yards. Both Welshpool and Kington were listed. Arghh.

It's good to receive any accolades, but these two courses are excellent full stop. There is no need for a 6000 yard descriptor.

Ciao
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Mark Pearce

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Re: PESTS GS: BUDA CUP XVIII (2020) @ KINGTON & WELSHPOOL
« Reply #223 on: September 02, 2020, 04:12:12 AM »
Golf.com just issued 25 best courses in the world under 6000 yards. Both Welshpool and Kington were listed. Arghh.

It's good to receive any accolades, but these two courses are excellent full stop. There is no need for a 6000 yard descriptor.

Ciao
They are.  But top 25 in the world under 6000 is a pretty strong accolade. 


Cameron definitely out, btw.  Can't make it work with his paymasters.
In June I will be riding the first three stages of this year's Tour de France route for charity.  630km (394 miles) in three days, with 7800m (25,600 feet) of climbing for the William Wates Memorial Trust (https://rideleloop.org/the-charity/) which supports underprivileged young people.

Sean_A

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Re: PESTS GS: BUDA CUP XVIII (2020) @ KINGTON & WELSHPOOL
« Reply #224 on: September 02, 2020, 04:17:13 AM »
Golf.com just issued 25 best courses in the world under 6000 yards. Both Welshpool and Kington were listed. Arghh.

It's good to receive any accolades, but these two courses are excellent full stop. There is no need for a 6000 yard descriptor.

Ciao
They are.  But top 25 in the world under 6000 is a pretty strong accolade. 

I don't have a clue about sub 6000 world. I am usually dubious of any world list to do with most things.

In GB&I I think Kington and Welshpool are very high up the sub 6000 yard list.

Ciao

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