Capuchino was designed by one guy: Max Behr.
The fact that Sven can’t get through that head of his is hilarious! This is proof that you can’t believe everything you read!
Whatever Sven posts here just assume it’s going to be hit or miss. This is what happens when you take newspaper articles as fact when they made many mistakes or had inaccuracies.
While I [size=78%]do admire Sve’s passion for history, it’s becoming more comedy![/size]
Okay, Tommy, let's have the conversation.
Show me anything that says Max Behr designed Capuchino and I'll take your word for it. As for the other course that we've disagreed on, show me anything that says Willowick existed before 1929 and was built by William Bell. If there's anything else I've "missed" on, I'd be happy to hear what you think I've gotten wrong.
But that's not your style, you'll take your potshot and fade into the dark corners of your little lounge. Wish that wasn't the case, as I'm here for meaningful discourse, discourse you seem unwilling or unable to participate in.
This is all rather laughable. You're the guy who has maintained Willowick opened in the early 1920's, was a William Bell design and started as a 12 hole course. Do a search on this site and there are a number of examples of your claim. You've also claimed there was a 1927 aerial of the course. As laid out in the "Ten Munis Worth Saving" thread, Willowick opened in 1929, it was not designed by William Bell and it started as a 9 hole course.
Indeed, proof you can't believe everything you read, this time things written by you.
What you don't get is that I don't believe the old papers to have been 100% accurate. I've actually read Mitchell Charney's seminal work on the subject. Papers made mistakes, but most of those mistakes were minor, like misspellings or other small errors that did not effect the context of the information being relayed. When critical errors in reporting were made, they were corrected. There's a 1939 article on Ponte Vedra that claimed Donald Ross designed the course. This was a mistake, and in a following issue a correction was made noting Herbert Strong as the architect.
I've laid out the context I have on Capuchino in the Robert Hunter thread. There's the stand alone July 10, 1926 article noting Mackenzie and Hunter working on the design. There are also a series of later articles discussing the construction and opening of the course. None of these mention an architect. And then there is the coverage of Mackenzie's estate proceedings and the estate's claim for $1135 from the club for services rendered, an amount eerily similar to the amounts owed by other clubs where we know he performed design services. Seems pretty clear that Mackenzie did something for Capuchino.
I have seen nothing noting Behr working for the club. I've asked both you and Sean Tully to share what you have. Sean doesn't seem to have this information on hand (or he's been told not to share it with me). You are unwilling to provide it and demand that I take your word on this. I don't work that way. Until I see something dispositive on the subject, I'm not going to jump to any conclusions. If that proof is provided, I'll happily walk away from the conversation. But right now, I can only work with the information I've seen, and frankly your blatant errors on Willowick give me little reason to take your word on Capuchino.
As I stated above, these are the only two times I know of where we've discussed the history of a golf course and disagreed. If there are others, please let me know. But to show up here and take potshots at me is poor form. You've questioned my objectivity. You've called me a revisionist. You personally insulted me, and now you're telling folks here that my efforts are comedic and my posts lack veracity. I'll let others decide if your little vendetta against me has any more cause than your own bruised ego.
You're better than this, Tommy. Stick around a sec, and actually have the conversation. Show all of us what you have on Capuchino. If I'm wrong on Willowick, show us why.
Until then, I'll continue to do what I do fully aware of who values it.
Sven