The Lost Courses of Philadelphia/ Joe Bausch&Pete Trenham

[MCirba]

Sven


Lakeside and Montrose are one and the same.

[mike_malone]

Mary Lyons became a Catholic girls high school and now is a technical school. It’s in my township.

Was this in Wallingford?  I went to Strath Haven for high school, and I don't remember a technical school nearby.  But that was a long time ago.

It is on Manchester Avenue that heads to the Moylan station out of Media. It’s Pa. Institute of Technology.

[Sven Nilsen]

Mary Lyons became a Catholic girls high school and now is a technical school. It’s in my township.

Was this in Wallingford?  I went to Strath Haven for high school, and I don't remember a technical school nearby.  But that was a long time ago.

It is on Manchester Avenue that heads to the Moylan station out of Media. It’s Pa. Institute of Technology.

Mike:

Don't think you have the location of the Mary Lyon School quite right (see the map below).  Mary Lyon was a prep school founded in 1913 in connection with Swarthmore College.  The five buildings of the school were located south of SC near Harvard Avenue.  A few of these buildings still exist today and are part of the college.

The Mary Lyon golf course was built in 1930 on the other side of Crum Creek, which would put it just north of Springhaven.

Pretty sure the course that was at the location you noted was the Idlewild GC.

Sven

[MCirba]

A bit about Long's Park in Lancaster.


https://lancasteronline.com/opinion/editorials/long-s-park-is-the-result-of-a-generous-team/article_7d2dc0b4-64b1-11e6-b6a6-0b5253e6ed72.html

[Kyle Harris]

I doubt Bustleton had anything to do with the NLE Somerton Springs golf course. The railroad nearest there was the Reading which had no station named Bustleton.

The Bustleton station of the Pennsylvania RR fits the location description Sven provided.

Location looks to be closer to the NE Philly Airport.

[MCirba]

By June of 1897 the Philadelphia Inquirer was reporting the Clarence A. Griscom had a "small course" on his Haverford property, Dolobran.  It was three holes.


His son and daughter, Rodman and Frances, played golf both here and abroad during that time period starting in 1894 at Philly Country Club at Bala, in 1895 on the Dolobran course, then Merion Cricket in 1896 (where as Green Chair Rodman added nine holes to the  original nine-hole Merion course on adjoining land of Dolobran around 1899 opening in 1900) and in 1899 both Rodman and Frances spent a week at North Berwick training under Benny Sayers.. Rodman reportedly had gotten his first balls and clubs from Sayers five years prior.

##ADDED## -Frances later stated she learned the game in 1894 from her brother Rodman after he returned from Scotland.

Frances subsequently won the 1900 US Women's Amateur as the beneficiary of Sayers tutelage

[Steve_ Shaffer]

Kyle,


There is no current station named Bustleton  on the West Trenton Line. The closest one is now named Somerton just off of Bustleton Pike.  According to Northeast Airport history, there once was a Somerton Airport near Bustleton Pike and Red Lion Road which is not too far from NLE Somerton Springs Golf Complex. On the map that I posted, Masland Street is of short length just south of Bustleton Pike. Somerton Airport could have been the location for the club.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_Philadelphia_Airport#History
Northeast Philadelphia Airport started in the 1930s as the Northeast Airport, a grass field with no paved runways, one of three small airports in the area. Just across Roosevelt Boulevard to the west, next to Red Lion Road, was Boulevard Airport, the most important of the three. Further west was Budd Field (built for Edward G. Budd Manufacturing Company, later as a golf course and other parts for housing) and Somerton Airport (near Bustleton Avenue and Red Lion Road), no longer in existence, close enough that pilots had to take care not to infringe on adjacent traffic patterns. The site of the Boulevard Airport is now a shopping mall (Red Lion Plaza) and housing. The Northeast Airport became today's large airport.
 

[Kyle Harris]

Steve,


The Bustleton PRR station closed in the 1920s. It was located on a Branch that extended from Holmesburg to the north terminating at Bustleton Pike. The station was on Bustleton Pike in an old farmhouse so the description fits.


https://philadelphiaencyclopedia.org/bustleton-station-of-the-pennsylvania-railroad-2/

[Sven Nilsen]

A short article from the Sept. 8, 1936 edition of the Delaware County Daily Times discussing several of the courses noted above.  Although the article notes six clubs in Delaware County, nine are listed.

[Adam_Messix]

I was surprised that Banker's Country Club in Ambler was not listed.  I think Talamore at Oak Terrace is now on that site with a totally different design.  Have no idea of the architect but have seen a scorecard.

[Kyle Harris]

I was surprised that Banker's Country Club in Ambler was not listed.  I think Talamore at Oak Terrace is now on that site with a totally different design.  Have no idea of the architect but have seen a scorecard.

Alex Findlay.


If you can stomach the gross inaccuracies, the Talamore club history explains it all.,

[Sven Nilsen]

I was surprised that Banker's Country Club in Ambler was not listed.  I think Talamore at Oak Terrace is now on that site with a totally different design.  Have no idea of the architect but have seen a scorecard.

It is on the list as the Pine Run CC, which was the club that originally occupied the land.


Sven

[Dave Maberry]

A bit about Long's Park in Lancaster.


https://lancasteronline.com/opinion/editorials/long-s-park-is-the-result-of-a-generous-team/article_7d2dc0b4-64b1-11e6-b6a6-0b5253e6ed72.html

Does anyone have more information on Long's Park golf? I had never heard of this before

[Sven Nilsen]

A bit about Long's Park in Lancaster.


https://lancasteronline.com/opinion/editorials/long-s-park-is-the-result-of-a-generous-team/article_7d2dc0b4-64b1-11e6-b6a6-0b5253e6ed72.html

Does anyone have more information on Long's Park golf? I had never heard of this before

Dave:


The 9 hole course was built in 1914 and was laid out by city engineer Israel Carpenter.  The 1931 Annual Guide noted a 9 hole 1,758 yard course, very much on the shorter side for that era.


It went NLE in 1956 when the city decided the costs of upkeep were too great a burden. 


Sven

[Dave Maberry]

A bit about Long's Park in Lancaster.


https://lancasteronline.com/opinion/editorials/long-s-park-is-the-result-of-a-generous-team/article_7d2dc0b4-64b1-11e6-b6a6-0b5253e6ed72.html

Does anyone have more information on Long's Park golf? I had never heard of this before

Dave:


The 9 hole course was built in 1914 and was laid out by city engineer Israel Carpenter.  The 1931 Annual Guide noted a 9 hole 1,758 yard course, very much on the shorter side for that era.


It went NLE in 1956 when the city decided the costs of upkeep were too great a burden. 


Sven

Thanks Sven!


I have found a second article which mentions the course:


https://lancasteronline.com/lanclife/history/the-history-behind-long-s-park-a-delightful-place-of/article_c24f6242-7e0e-11e8-b940-5ffc57d5ec9f.html


Dave

[Sven Nilsen]

Dave:


I've seen accounts that in the 1930's there were five public courses in Lancaster.


1.  Long Park - noted above
2.  Overlook - still in existence
3.  Williamson Park
4.  Buchmiller Park
5.  Hiemenz


The last three should probably be added to the NLE list above.  Would be interesting to get some more information on them.


Sven

[Dave Maberry]

Dave:


I've seen accounts that in the 1930's there were five public courses in Lancaster.


1.  Long Park - noted above
2.  Overlook - still in existence
3.  Williamson Park
4.  Buchmiller Park
5.  Hiemenz


The last three should probably be added to the NLE list above.  Would be interesting to get some more information on them.


Sven

Sven,


I located a September 1922 USGA Bulletin that lists both Long's Park and Williamson's Park in Lancaster.


Overlook remains in existence today.


Buchmiller Park has a disc golf course today and is located near Meadia Heights GC.


Heimenz (owner of Rossmere Hotel) course was the original 9 hole 2400 yard Lancaster Country Club course that was designed by John Reid for $28 in 1900.


Dave

[Sven Nilsen]

Dave:


The Hiemenz course I was referring to was a different course.  This one opened in 1931.


Sven

June 2, 1931 Lancaster News Era -

[Sven Nilsen]

Here's a May 7, 1933 The Sunday News article discussing the history of golf in Lancaster (going back to the first 2 or 3 hole course laid out by Israel Carpenter), as well as noting all five of the public courses I listed above.

[Sven Nilsen]

A couple of articles discussing Buchmiller Park and its very short course.


July 3, 1929 Lancaster New Era -









May 25, 1930 The Sunday News -

[MCirba]

Sven,


Great stuff, thanks!


Lancaster professional Cyril Hughes also designed what is known today as Paramus (NJ) Golf Course, formerly Saddle River Country Club.