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Thomas Dai

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Peninsula Kingswood, Victoria, Australia
« on: May 28, 2019, 02:13:59 PM »
I came across this link on social media - https://www.caddiemag.com/peninsula-kingswood-country-golf-club/
It looks awesome. Epic.
https://www.peninsulakingswood.com.au/cms/
Thoughts, especially from those Downunder.
Atb

Tyler Kearns

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Re: Peninsula Kingswood, Victoria, Australia
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2019, 03:17:07 PM »
I played both courses with Michael Clayton back in the mid 2000's after the north course had been renovated by his firm and some work was being done to the south.  Have both these courses received another total renovation or has the final steps of a master plan just being completed?


Tyler

Mike_Clayton

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Re: Peninsula Kingswood, Victoria, Australia
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2019, 02:04:33 AM »
Tyler,


We - OCCM - redid them both completely. 36 new greens, (the only ones to noticeably move from when we played were 8 North and 17 South) all the bunkers either, rebuilt, repositioned or, in a few cases, removed plus all new tees and a vegetation program going back primarily to only indigenous plants - something giving it a subtle but still noticeably different feel from most of the rest of the sandbelt.
Plus the practice fairway was redone along with a significantly larger short game area.


It's not for us to judge the success of the Peninsula work but with the recently redone Gunnamatta Course at The National and the rebuilding of all 18 greens at Victoria it's been a significant few years for golf in Melbourne and the Mornington Peninsula - which seems to get closer to Melbourne every year.

Mark_F

Re: Peninsula Kingswood, Victoria, Australia
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2019, 05:42:18 AM »
Thoughts, especially from those Downunder.
Both courses underwent varying degrees of rebuild in the late 1990s/early 2000s, some of it successful, other parts - mainly a few greens on the South course - were less successful with the more unadventurous members.

The South course was rebuilt this time first, with, sadly, one or two of the wilder greens softened or removed.  Nevertheless, the remaining greens OCCM have built on the South are a stupendous set.  There's been a lot of tree removal, more, it feels, than the North course.

It's a club with two different yet similar courses.  The South is longer, wider, with bigger, more severe greens sparsely defended by bunkers, and plenty of short grass and a little water.

The North is tighter and more twisting over a better piece of land, with smaller, more intricately shaped greens hemmed in by elaborate bunkers. 

Given the acreage of the property, there's still some re-vegetation work to do, especially on the off-fairway areas of the South, but the result is two of the better courses in the country (although I would obviously say that). I know Ash Towe is a fan.  :)
Holes such as 3,4,9,11,12 and 14 South, and 1,2,8,12 and 18 North are some of the best holes in the country, but really, there isn't a poor or even ordinary hole there, which is a fine achievement out of 36.

Brian Walshe

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Re: Peninsula Kingswood, Victoria, Australia
« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2019, 07:32:43 AM »
Great summation Mark.  For anyone visiting Melbourne, Peninsula Kingswood North and South are now must plays. Some very good to great land, really good routing and outstanding green complexes.  The bunkering alone is worth the price of admission.

Jim Nugent

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Re: Peninsula Kingswood, Victoria, Australia
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2019, 08:02:04 AM »

Holes such as 3,4,9,11,12 and 14 South, and 1,2,8,12 and 18 North are some of the best holes in the country, but really, there isn't a poor or even ordinary hole there, which is a fine achievement out of 36.
Could you put together a composite course, that mixes the best of the North and South, and that works reasonably well from a routing standpoint? 

Thomas Dai

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Re: Peninsula Kingswood, Victoria, Australia
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2019, 08:22:50 AM »
Sounds even better with every written word!


This looks so cool. Shades of a certain Dr originally from Leeds!?



and the little hump at the top of the ridge and its implications for play seems really cool!



Seems like we used to get numerous GCA posts and photos from Aussie and NZ. Not so many these days, which is a great shame, especially when details about courses such as this are post-able.


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Ash Towe

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Re: Peninsula Kingswood, Victoria, Australia
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2019, 03:09:59 PM »
Like Mark said I am a big fan of these 2 courses.


Peninsula Kingswood is now a club at the forefront of Australian golf.


If you are visiting Melbourne they should be at the top of your list along with RM and KH.

Derek Holland

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Re: Peninsula Kingswood, Victoria, Australia
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2019, 05:36:42 PM »
I was lucky enough to play the North during my visit to Melbourne and came away really impressed. A fun but challenging course. 1 (one of my favorite openers), 2, 6, 12, 13 and 18 were my favorites. The bunkering was outstanding. Really glad I got the chance to play!

Mark_F

Re: Peninsula Kingswood, Victoria, Australia
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2019, 05:51:08 PM »
Great summation Mark. 
Thanks, Brian.

Could you put together a composite course, that mixes the best of the North and South, and that works reasonably well from a routing standpoint? 
There are a couple of iterations that do work reasonably well, but if they did ever hold a tournament there, it would be more interesting to hold it with two rounds on each course.

and the little hump at the top of the ridge and its implications for play seems really cool!

18 North is a really good green Thomas, but it would be even better if they put the pin somewhere else, rather than where it is in this image (99% of the time, it would seem).

If you are visiting Melbourne they should be at the top of your list along with RM and KH.
Surely if you only have time for a few rounds in Melbourne, you skip KH, Ash? ;D

Ash Towe

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Re: Peninsula Kingswood, Victoria, Australia
« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2019, 01:55:44 AM »
Mark,


Peninsula is now on the same level as KH. I would not miss either, given the opportunity.

Mark_F

Re: Peninsula Kingswood, Victoria, Australia
« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2019, 11:22:26 PM »
Mike Clayton mentioned The Gunnamatta course at The National above in his reply.

They have a website for the project, which is now, amazingly, open for limited play by members, one of whom posted some images.  It sure looks a lot better than before, although those greens look worryingly small.  :)
https://ocean.nationalgolf.com.au/photo-gallery-gunnamatta-open-for-play/

Mike_Clayton

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Re: Peninsula Kingswood, Victoria, Australia
« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2019, 03:19:35 AM »
Mark,


I heard yet again today (for at least the fifth time) that the course is 'too easy'. 
I'm assuming played off the back tees in anything close to the usual seaside winds and to some interesting pins it is far from being 'too easy' and anyway a club with two quite difficult courses could perhaps do with something less demanding.
I'm looking forward to playing it when it opens to non-members.

Mark_F

Re: Peninsula Kingswood, Victoria, Australia
« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2019, 03:30:24 AM »
Mike,
It goes to show that most club members' opinions on their course should be disregarded.

It looks pretty interesting from those images, with the course appearing to play the land rather than fight it, which can surely only be a good thing.

I don't know how long it is, but surely 6500 yards, clever and interesting beats 7000 dull but hard yards, especially as they have one of those already.

Thomas Dai

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Re: Peninsula Kingswood, Victoria, Australia
« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2019, 03:44:45 AM »
Very jealous of folks Downunder. Oh to be in Aussie, particularly certain golfy hotspots, for a few months of the year.
Interesting aside from Mike earlier about how the Mornington Peninsula is getting closer to Melbourne.

Atb

Mike_Clayton

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Re: Peninsula Kingswood, Victoria, Australia
« Reply #15 on: June 01, 2019, 04:09:46 AM »
Thomas,


When I was a kid way back in the mid-1960s there was only one quite narrow coast road back from the Mornington Peninsula. I remember it once taking four hours at the end of the holidays (Are we there yet?!!) to get back to the city.
Inevitably they built a new road in the early 1970s and then another freeway opened a few years ago and the same trip now is barely more than an hour.
Colin Campbell, an old golf pro, was the first to recognise the impact the 1970s road would have and he built Cape Schanck (1972 -3 probably and some of that land became part of The Old Course at The National) - and then The Dunes close by.
So far was Peninsula from Melbourne in terms of travel time the original club/course/ country club was The National way before The National and it was the out of town, holiday course for many sandbelt members - which is what The National is for many now.

Thomas Dai

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Re: Peninsula Kingswood, Victoria, Australia New
« Reply #16 on: June 01, 2019, 06:21:41 AM »
Mike,
Nice story. The expansion of society. Will it every stop?
I recall in about 1981 driving to/from central Melbourne and Portsea in a old Mini, windows wide open in those non a/c days, on one of those Melbourne summer days when the wind comes from the north and the temp shoots sky high. Took forever!
Is there a better 365 days per year golf city/area these days than Melbourne and the Mornington I wonder?
Atb


Edit - here's a 1937 photo I happened across of an earlier Clubhouse at Peninsula. Bit of a difference to the modern version!
« Last Edit: June 29, 2019, 07:43:26 AM by Thomas Dai »

Mike_Clayton

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Re: Peninsula Kingswood, Victoria, Australia
« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2019, 07:06:20 PM »
Thomas,


For 365 golf there is no better now and it was probably always that way but it's far advanced from where it was in 1981.

Brian Walshe

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Re: Peninsula Kingswood, Victoria, Australia
« Reply #18 on: June 04, 2019, 01:57:15 AM »

Mark,


Had a wander around Gunnamatta today.  The greens are actually quite large, at a guess I'd say that total green area would be greater than on the Ocean (RIP).

Mark_F

Re: Peninsula Kingswood, Victoria, Australia
« Reply #19 on: June 04, 2019, 07:47:44 AM »
I was only joking, Brian.  It's difficult to tell green size from casual images. 

I assume all of the greens of Ocean (RIP) 2 are pinnable, unlike its predecessor? ;D


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