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Bob_Garvelink

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Golf Digest Top 100 Public Courses - 2019-2020
« on: May 08, 2019, 09:09:40 PM »
Gents,


Here is the link and we all know that ratings really mean nothing as they are so subjective but it was great to see Greywalls get added to the list along with The Loop red and black courses.  Other thoughts? 


https://www.golfdigest.com/gallery/americas-100-greatest-public-courses-ranking
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Tom_Doak

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Re: Golf Digest Top 100 Public Courses - 2019-2020
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2019, 10:20:03 AM »
It's such an odd list of courses, this one.  They've got some of my favorite courses interspersed with others that you couldn't pay me to play [Wolf Creek and Tullymore, to name two].


It's also weird that they insisted on separating out the two different courses at The Loop, only to rate them almost dead even.  My fear was that if one was rated significantly higher than the other, it would undermine alternating between the two routings every day, but it looks like we did well to balance the two so that won't happen.

Eric Smith

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Re: Golf Digest Top 100 Public Courses - 2019-2020
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2019, 10:44:01 AM »
Wow, Forest Dunes with three Top 100 courses. My guess is Mr. Thompson has spent far fewer marketing dollars than Mr. Keiser when he was at three courses.

Garland Bayley

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Re: Golf Digest Top 100 Public Courses - 2019-2020
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2019, 11:15:04 AM »
What do people think about Ferry Point, and why wouldn't it make this list?
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Cal Seifert

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Re: Golf Digest Top 100 Public Courses - 2019-2020
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2019, 11:16:53 AM »
What do people think about Ferry Point, and why wouldn't it make this list?


Ferry point is certainly better than many courses on that list. 

astavrides

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Re: Golf Digest Top 100 Public Courses - 2019-2020
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2019, 11:38:20 AM »
Any idea when Golfweek's best public courses by states will come out? It usually comes out each spring, but seems like it is overdue this year.

Bob_Garvelink

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Re: Golf Digest Top 100 Public Courses - 2019-2020
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2019, 12:01:11 PM »
It's such an odd list of courses, this one.  They've got some of my favorite courses interspersed with others that you couldn't pay me to play [Wolf Creek and Tullymore, to name two].


It's also weird that they insisted on separating out the two different courses at The Loop, only to rate them almost dead even.  My fear was that if one was rated significantly higher than the other, it would undermine alternating between the two routings every day, but it looks like we did well to balance the two so that won't happen.


I agree with Tom that there are some interesting selections on this list and leave me shaking my head.  The fact that the Bear at the Grand Traverse Resort, Tullymore, and the Boyne Highlands Heather course made the list is shocking to me.  I can think of 10 better courses in Michigan that I would rather play than those. 


Arcadia Bluffs South, Pilgrims Run, Harbor Shores, Stoatin Brae, Eagle Eye, Treetops Signature, and plenty of others in blow those 3 out of the water.  I am not suggesting that any of these are in the top 100 but after seeing those 3 on there then maybe they should be.


I was also shocked at the lack of Arizona courses on the list.  We-Ko-Pa is awesome in my opinion so was surprised they were left off the list this year.


Bottom line is ratings are fun and in my opinion are good for the game.  They do get people to go to courses that they never would have considered in the past but sometimes things to get a bit silly although I dont have a solution to the problem so I probably should not complain.


Having played 27 of the top 100 on this list there are a few I dont get why there is so much hype.  I will probably get killed for this but I never understood the hype on Erin Hills.  Yes, I had a great time and I admit that the golf environment is pretty cool but the course itself did nothing for me.  It reminded me of Angels Crossing (which I really enjoy) but nothing that should be in the top 15 in the country.


Now with that being said I now many on this forum will say that Erin Hills is in their top 5 if not higher and I totally respect that.  It hosted the U.S. Open so it probably should be but I just was not overly thrilled when I played it.  I am not saying it was a dog track or that people should not play it but I just did not think it was that great. My point is each of us have our own things that we value and I guess maybe we should not get mad at these raters as we all have our own personal bias on certain courses.


So ratings in my opinion are good for golf but at times will drive certain people crazy which I totally understand.  Heck....maybe next year Angels Crossing will be in the top 100 and that would be fine by me :)


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Anthony Butler

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Re: Golf Digest Top 100 Public Courses - 2019-2020
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2019, 12:09:03 PM »
It's such an odd list of courses, this one.  They've got some of my favorite courses interspersed with others that you couldn't pay me to play [Wolf Creek and Tullymore, to name two].
Would it be fair to say the first 50 feels like it's driven by ratings  and the next 50 by marketing arrangements?
« Last Edit: May 09, 2019, 01:08:04 PM by Anthony Butler »
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Cal Seifert

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Re: Golf Digest Top 100 Public Courses - 2019-2020
« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2019, 12:12:10 PM »
Isn't Belvedere a private course that allows outside play only during certain times?  Does that really make it public?

MCirba

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Re: Golf Digest Top 100 Public Courses - 2019-2020
« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2019, 12:20:11 PM »
I would read this list but I'm concerned that I'll have an aneurysm so I'd best not.
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Frank Sekulic

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Re: Golf Digest Top 100 Public Courses - 2019-2020
« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2019, 12:23:57 PM »
Any idea when Golfweek's best public courses by states will come out? It usually comes out each spring, but seems like it is overdue this year.


I was wondering about the Golfweek lists as well, as they are normally out by mid April at the latest.

Ken Fry

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Re: Golf Digest Top 100 Public Courses - 2019-2020
« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2019, 01:08:03 PM »
A couple observations:


- I still don't get the reverence for Whistling Straits.  Is this really Pete Dye's best public course???


- Arcadia Bluffs description talks about them being a sleeper but if a proposed 2nd course is built it could help their notoriety.  Do they mean the one that opened last year?!?


- Congrats to Jeff Brauer for a nice ranking at Giant's Ridge!


- Cog Hill in it's current form shouldn't be on this list


- Nice to finally see Greywalls get some respect!


- Lawsonia should be on this list and much higher!


- Great to see the Ross Course at French Lick get recognition.


As has been mentioned before, it's all fodder at the end of the day.


Ken

George Freeman

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Re: Golf Digest Top 100 Public Courses - 2019-2020
« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2019, 02:54:42 PM »
Very (and pleasantly) surprised to see Belvedere GC on this list.  It's the type of golf course that seems like the antithesis of the Golf Digest rating system...
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Ryan Hillenbrand

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Re: Golf Digest Top 100 Public Courses - 2019-2020
« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2019, 03:37:19 PM »
I still don't get the love for TPC Sawgrass.

Completely agree that Lawsonia is way underrated

A little surprised Streamsong Black wasn't higher. I haven't played it but I thought it made a bigger splash than that.

David Davis

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Re: Golf Digest Top 100 Public Courses - 2019-2020
« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2019, 04:14:48 PM »
Only played a little over a quarter of this list but it's pretty much par for the course when compared to their world list as far as I can tell.


One question for anyone that has played Pine Needles and Mid Pines - as I think quite a few of us have played them both. Anyone find Pine Needles the better course? If so why?
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Emile Bonfiglio

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Re: Golf Digest Top 100 Public Courses - 2019-2020
« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2019, 04:17:54 PM »
Pretty cool that Oregon has 8 course on this list, that says a lot about how much great accessible golf we have here. Take out Bandon and that is still 4x the amount that Arizona has on the list. I also feel that Pasatiempo should be higher but I'm not sure who it bumps out.
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Steve Kline

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Re: Golf Digest Top 100 Public Courses - 2019-2020
« Reply #16 on: May 09, 2019, 04:23:47 PM »
I skimmed through the list. My instant reaction was if you want to play a good public then you should probably go to a resort.

Peter Pallotta

Re: Golf Digest Top 100 Public Courses - 2019-2020
« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2019, 06:19:40 PM »
Wow, Forest Dunes with three Top 100 courses. My guess is Mr. Thompson has spent far fewer marketing dollars than Mr. Keiser when he was at three courses.
Almost made it there a couple of years ago - literally had to turn back at the border.
For all sorts of reasons, mainly the Loop, when the day comes my one/first trip to the US will be there.
In my mind, it's Forest Dunes that actually represents 'golf as it should be played'.
But I recognize that it's a Big World, and indeed I noticed that this time, ie looking at the list, I was struck by the diversity in quality gca

Jay Mickle

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Re: Golf Digest Top 100 Public Courses - 2019-2020
« Reply #18 on: May 09, 2019, 06:55:32 PM »
One question for anyone that has played Pine Needles and Mid Pines - as I think quite a few of us have played them both. Anyone find Pine Needles the better course? If so why?


I can't answer the question but am interested tin the responses.
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Tim Leahy

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Re: Golf Digest Top 100 Public Courses - 2019-2020
« Reply #19 on: May 09, 2019, 09:46:21 PM »
Did they miss Rustic? Too inexpensive and not worth a comped round for raters? I would rather play Rustic Canyon over #42 Cordevalle especially when green fees are over $200 less.
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Chad Anderson (Tennessee)

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Re: Golf Digest Top 100 Public Courses - 2019-2020
« Reply #20 on: May 10, 2019, 11:47:44 AM »
Only played a little over a quarter of this list but it's pretty much par for the course when compared to their world list as far as I can tell.


One question for anyone that has played Pine Needles and Mid Pines - as I think quite a few of us have played them both. Anyone find Pine Needles the better course? If so why?


I've played both and prefer Mid-Pines by a landslide.  From my experience, people usually really like one and think the other doesn't compare.  And it's 50/50 in which one they like the best.  That is the beauty of golf courses, each person likes a different look.
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David Davis

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Re: Golf Digest Top 100 Public Courses - 2019-2020
« Reply #21 on: May 10, 2019, 12:46:56 PM »
Only played a little over a quarter of this list but it's pretty much par for the course when compared to their world list as far as I can tell.


One question for anyone that has played Pine Needles and Mid Pines - as I think quite a few of us have played them both. Anyone find Pine Needles the better course? If so why?


I've played both and prefer Mid-Pines by a landslide.  From my experience, people usually really like one and think the other doesn't compare.  And it's 50/50 in which one they like the best.  That is the beauty of golf courses, each person likes a different look.


Chad,


Interesting that in your experience it's 50/50. I think they are both really fun and definitely a great place to call home but like you I have Mid Pines well above Pine Needles. I think Kyle and his team have done some excellent work down there. I've just never heard anyone say they thought Pine Needles was stronger. Though I'm now wondering what Jay Mickle told me  ;D
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Mark Fedeli

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Re: Golf Digest Top 100 Public Courses - 2019-2020
« Reply #22 on: May 10, 2019, 01:16:34 PM »
What do people think about Ferry Point, and why wouldn't it make this list?


Ferry point is certainly better than many courses on that list.


The Ferry Point course is a step in the right direction, and probably belongs on the list, but I would imagine there was a certain bit of let down when the course finally opened, all those years after the hugely complicated, obscenely expensive project began.


It's a faux links, and plays F&F, and has a few strategically interesting holes, but it's also largely forgettable. The impression you're left with is hole after hole of fairways running through fake dunes that never come into play with a lot of forced carries required over green-fronting pot bunkers. Leaving aside the name on the sign, which probably doesn't help, the place isn't run in the spirit in which it was sold to the city — as NYC's premier, taxpayer-funded, municipal course. Not only are the prices outrageous for residents (and only a slightly better deal than everyone else gets), but you aren't even allowed to take push carts.


While none of those things should be held against its architecture, it's probably only fair that the ornamental frivolities that Trump thinks are so special about his other courses could have worked against him in this case. 
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Matthew Petersen

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Re: Golf Digest Top 100 Public Courses - 2019-2020
« Reply #23 on: May 10, 2019, 05:17:01 PM »
Did they miss Rustic? Too inexpensive and not worth a comped round for raters? I would rather play Rustic Canyon over #42 Cordevalle especially when green fees are over $200 less.


And that's before you factor in the cost of the resort you have to stay in to even book a round at CordeValle ...




Kalen Braley

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Re: Golf Digest Top 100 Public Courses - 2019-2020
« Reply #24 on: May 10, 2019, 05:40:43 PM »
In the name of providing extra data where its perhaps overkill, but what the hell...

I did a quick analysis on the top 50 courses, excluding ones like Pebble, Pinehurst2, Bethpage, etc where its a mixed bag...

Of those that had 3 or more...

Name - # Courses - Avg Rank
Dye - 8 - 20.5
Doak - 5 - 26
CC - 4 - 18.25
Fazio - 4 - 24
Jones Jr - 4 - 39.8
Kidd - 3 - 23
Jack N - 35.3