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Tommy Williamsen

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With what club do you chip?
« on: February 17, 2019, 06:14:50 PM »
It seems that many, if not most, TOUR players generally use their sand wedge for every shot around the greens. I was taught to use whatever club got the ball on the green the quickest. I chip with everything from a five iron on. Chipping/pitching is my strongest part of my ever declining game. There is no way I could change.
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Peter Pallotta

Re: With what club do you chip?
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2019, 06:35:50 PM »
I used that method for many years, having read about it from Nick Faldo -- and I know it's valid and it served me well (especially as an average golfer happy just to make good crisp contact and get it in range for no worse than a two putt). But last season I changed, with an eye to trying to practice & become more proficient with one club for all chips, so as to consistently get into one-putt range. And because I never got used to and don't carry a 60 degree wedge, and my 56 has more bounce than I'm comfortable with off tight lies, I've opted for using my 53 degree, and trying to close it down and have it back in my stance for low running chips and opened up and off my left foot for higher flying and quicker stopping chips. So far it seems to be no better and no worse an approach than using 6 or 7 or 9 irons etc depending on the situation... but I'm gonna stick with it another season and see.

Steve Lang

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Re: With what club do you chip?
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2019, 07:29:10 PM »
 8)  PW only
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Tommy Williamsen

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Re: With what club do you chip?
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2019, 08:09:43 PM »
So if you use one very lofted club do you have trouble hitting the shot the height you want? Do you either chilly dip or blade it more often than the other way?
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Ken Moum

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Re: With what club do you chip?
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2019, 09:56:50 PM »
So if you use one very lofted club do you have trouble hitting the shot the height you want? Do you either chilly dip or blade it more often than the other way?


I use a lob wedge almost exclusively. And my short game is the best part of my play by a wide margin.


I do it because it's the only club I've tried that virtually eliminates fat and thin shots. In addition, the short shaft and additional loft means i can use an aggressive stroke on every shot.


The method use is almost identical to what Phil uses and depends on a lot of lag and only a little release. The trajectory is VERY low on most shots, probably lower than most.of.your chips.


But the spin i create means i can be more aggressive, eliminating the need to be "delicate" on fast greens
Over time, the guy in the ideal position derives an advantage, and delivering him further  advantage is not worth making the rest of the players suffer at the expense of fun, variety, and ultimately cost -- Jeff Warne, 12-08-2010

Tommy Williamsen

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Re: With what club do you chip?
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2019, 10:10:42 PM »
I do use my sand wedge or lob wedge when I want some spin or on some downhill shots. I just don't know why anyone would use that shot exclusively. It must work, though, because a lot of folks do it.
Where there is no love, put love; there you will find love.
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Tom_Doak

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Re: With what club do you chip?
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2019, 10:20:47 PM »
I will use anything from 5-iron to PW depending on the grass between me and the hole.  In general, though, I will go for the least-lofted club that I think will work.  I find the distance control to be easier that way.

mike_beene

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Re: With what club do you chip?
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2019, 11:00:27 PM »
Back when I was still using steel shafted irons I chipped with anything down to a six iron. After starting over after a double fusion, I got the recoil shafts in irons which are great for full shots but I could not get the feel of chipping. I took some short game lessons from a tour guy and have learned to hit the 56 degree as low as I want and we are getting a 60 next week. I was surprised how easy it is, and the lies are very tight this time of year. All ball position and body with either using the bounce or on very low shots using back in stance position. It is amazing how high and soft a dead hand total relaxed arms move without any set will go if you move a few inches away from the ball. Been a lot fun and eventually will be more consistent.

jeffwarne

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Re: With what club do you chip?
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2019, 11:19:22 PM »
I will use anything from 5-iron to PW depending on the grass between me and the hole.  In general, though, I will go for the least-lofted club that I think will work.  I find the distance control to be easier that way.


This-though a 7 iron today has the loft of a 5 iron.
Coupled with modern green speeds there are far less occasions to chip with a 7 iron and land it on the green than there used to be, but more situations where landing it short of the green is needed so still a useful and simple method-Allows for imagination especially when the turf is firm or enough turf height to allow crisp contact
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Dave McCollum

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Re: With what club do you chip?
« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2019, 01:28:20 AM »
I used to chip with my most lofted clubs.  10+ years ago, before my first golf trip to Scotland, I thought I ought to learn a bump and run.  For whatever reasons, I tried fo find the club in my set that would produce the best result using the closest thing to a putting stroke, more or less the same backswing and stroke I would use to putt from that distance.  For me it was an 8 iron and it quickly became my go-to first option ever since.  I use my sand and lob wedges when I have to, and other clubs as well.  I know how to hit those shots, but the no wrist action, simple putting stroke is the easiest golf shot, almost anyone can do it, and it has served me well.


The single, most frequently noticed thing I see in the hackers I play with is them trying to hit chips with their most lofted clubs.  It can be done, and well, I used to do it all the time.  But that technique requires manipulating the clubhead, ball position, and so on, and regular practice and touch, something that old guys almost never do.  My technique is based on on taking the simpest stroke required and seeing if it will work for that situation and the clubs in your bag.  If not, hit that flop shot you haven’t practiced in awhile.


Last year I read something about the bounce of the club and ordered a 56 degree sand wedge with 14 degrees of bounce.  I thought it would work for my course.  It’s been fun playing with it, and mostly successful about when to use it, but I think most golfers don’t think about such things, and don’t care, so it’s my private experiment.  I have some golf geeks around to bs about it, and that’s fun, but ultimately it all comes down to what works for you.  Take the club, make the shot you feel gives you the best chance.  Hitting your best shot, no matter how you arrived at that decision, is always best.


           

Thomas Dai

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Re: With what club do you chip?
« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2019, 03:43:38 AM »

I used to play with two elderly chaps one of whom used a 'chipper', ie a putter style/length club with 15*-25* loft. He was brilliant with it. The other used a wooden shafted 'jigger' from a previous era and he was pretty good with that too.
Lots of variables to consider - grass type and length, softness/firmness of terrain where the ball lies, softness/firmness of the terrain at the land and roll-our area, wind direction, ball type (spinny or not) and of course length of shot.
Oh and there's what club type you've got in your bag ..... not just loft but width of sole/flange, bounce, how sharp the grooves are, sole shape/camber and relief if planning to open the face. Even shaft type - good point made above by Mike B about graphite shafts and lack of feel but weight of shaft (overall club weight) has an effect as well. Also do you want to use the same club(s) for grass shots and sand shots plus how many clubs do you usually carry (14 or less?).
Lots and lots of things to consider.
Me? I'll use any club in the bag from the most lofted to the least lofted depending on the course, circumstances and conditions and I own a couple of 'spare' alternative spec lofted wedges each with different sole/flange/bounce/relief configurations which are either in or out of the bag depending on course conditions.
atb

PS - these days I reckon the most interesting aspect of male pro golf on TV is watching the players recovery play and short game.

« Last Edit: February 18, 2019, 03:46:04 AM by Thomas Dai »

Jay Mickle

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Re: With what club do you chip?
« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2019, 01:49:48 PM »
Everything from a hybrid to 58 degree wedge depending on a multitude of factors as enumerated above.

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Bill Shamleffer

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Re: With what club do you chip?
« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2019, 02:16:07 PM »
Sand wedge for everything about 20 yards and closer.
My SW is an old (30 years old?) Wilson JP II, so not too much bounce.


Almost all of my golf is muni golf, so greens are usually not too big and not fast.
Perhaps if I had to deal with bigger greens and/or faster greens, I would use some different clubs.


But for the golf I play, I prefer having one club and just adjusting how I hard or soft to hit each shot with that same club.


I only have 10 clubs (Driver, 3 metal, hybrid, 3(in the bag for low punch shots)/5/7/9 irons, pitching & sand wedge, and putter.
So for chipping I would be limited to the 2 wedges, the 9-iron, and maybe the 7-iron.


I just realized the total age of my 10 clubs combines to approximately 220 years.
(Hogan Apex Plus irons from 1999.  Two Wilson JP II wedges from late 80s. Ping putter from late 80s.  Mid-sized metal driver from mid-1990s.  TaylorMade Pittsburgh Persimmon 3 wood.  My hybrid is only club less than 10 years old.)
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George Pazin

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Re: With what club do you chip?
« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2019, 02:23:05 PM »
I mostly use my pitching wedge, occasionally use my 8 iron.


I've always thought that the use of many clubs requires A LOT of practice. Those silly charts in the instruction books are just that, silly - no chart can tell you air versus ground ratios for all clubs, as greens differ so dramatically in speed, tilt, contour, etc.


I really like chipping with my pitching wedge. The sand wedge simply has too much bounce to work for me. But sometimes I do like the additional run a less lofted club affords, and for those, I've always felt my 8 was my guy.


Off to read why I'm wrong.....
Big drivers and hot balls are the product of golf course design that rewards the hit one far then hit one high strategy.  Shinny showed everyone how to take care of this whole technology dilemma. - Pat Brockwell, 6/24/04

Peter Pallotta

Re: With what club do you chip?
« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2019, 02:39:59 PM »
8 iron is a terrific club, George -- don't let those books sway you.
One great tip came from Hale Irwin: from deep rough to a tight pin, just 'drop' a 9 iron behind-on top of the ball and it pops right up and out. A tip so good it works even for me!


Jerry Kluger

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Re: With what club do you chip?
« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2019, 05:53:56 PM »
Butch Harmon recently said that he taught players at all levels, including touring pros, to use a variety of clubs for chipping.  He did note that one of his best players used only his lob wedge and he was not about to try and change him.

George Myers

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Re: With what club do you chip?
« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2019, 10:49:21 PM »

I used to play with two elderly chaps one of whom used a 'chipper', ie a putter style/length club with 15*-25* loft. He was brilliant with it. The other used a wooden shafted 'jigger' from a previous era and he was pretty good with that too.
Lots of variables to consider - grass type and length, softness/firmness of terrain where the ball lies, softness/firmness of the terrain at the land and roll-our area, wind direction, ball type (spinny or not) and of course length of shot.
Oh and there's what club type you've got in your bag ..... not just loft but width of sole/flange, bounce, how sharp the grooves are, sole shape/camber and relief if planning to open the face. Even shaft type - good point made above by Mike B about graphite shafts and lack of feel but weight of shaft (overall club weight) has an effect as well. Also do you want to use the same club(s) for grass shots and sand shots plus how many clubs do you usually carry (14 or less?).
Lots and lots of things to consider.
Me? I'll use any club in the bag from the most lofted to the least lofted depending on the course, circumstances and conditions and I own a couple of 'spare' alternative spec lofted wedges each with different sole/flange/bounce/relief configurations which are either in or out of the bag depending on course conditions.
atb

PS - these days I reckon the most interesting aspect of male pro golf on TV is watching the players recovery play and short game.



I use 8 iron through LW, and  sometimes a 22 hybrid also.


Thomas, I recently read Michael Bamberger's, A Golfing Life, and he had a new version Jigger club made, called it the E-club.

It has a 19* loft and looks like a hybrid head with at least a full shaft offset (like a putter), and the shaft at putter length.

Haven't tried it yet, but it sure seems interesting...


David_Tepper

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Re: With what club do you chip?
« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2019, 11:28:29 PM »
"Thomas, I recently read Michael Bamberger's, A Golfing Life, and he had a new version Jigger club made, called it the E-club.

It has a 19* loft and looks like a hybrid head with at least a full shaft offset (like a putter), and the shaft at putter length.

Haven't tried it yet, but it sure seems interesting..."

George M. -

I have one of those clubs. Bot it off of e-bay years ago. Funny thing is I have yet to try it out.

DT

This is it:  https://www.ebay.com/itm/E-Club-Golf-Chipper-Texas-Wedge-RH-19-Type-II-Jigger-Bantam-Golf-Co-Head-Cover/283385778615?hash=item41fb1bd1b7:g:YYcAAOSwVVlca2B9:rk:1:pf:0
« Last Edit: February 18, 2019, 11:31:07 PM by David_Tepper »

Ken Moum

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Re: With what club do you chip?
« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2019, 12:10:07 AM »

I have one of those clubs. Bot it off of e-bay years ago. Funny thing is I have yet to try it out.

DT



It's just a semi-putter


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-SP-Semi-Putter-MacGregor-Radite-Golf-Club-Accurate-H-New-Wont-Rust-35-/382066460502
Over time, the guy in the ideal position derives an advantage, and delivering him further  advantage is not worth making the rest of the players suffer at the expense of fun, variety, and ultimately cost -- Jeff Warne, 12-08-2010

John Crowley

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Re: With what club do you chip?
« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2019, 12:58:50 AM »
58 degree Callaway PM wedge 90% of the time since recently adopting the Mickleson hinge and hold method (YouTube).


In last two weeks have chipped in 3 times, holed two bunker shots and holed two 20-30 yard pitches.



Pat Burke

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Re: With what club do you chip?
« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2019, 06:41:56 AM »
I used 3 hybrids at times for long chips from fringe or fairway, hit them like putts.


Hit chips with 5 thru LW


Learned young to get it on the ground as soon as reasonable.


Realistically, I probably overused my LW at times when I look back

Ken Moum

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Re: With what club do you chip?
« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2019, 09:44:06 AM »
58 degree Callaway PM wedge 90% of the time since recently adopting the Mickleson hinge and hold method (YouTube).


In last two weeks have chipped in 3 times, holed two bunker shots and holed two 20-30 yard pitches.


IMHO, all those who think using that much loft is "harder" need to at least give this method a try.  I think it's much less dependent on feel than trying to delicately hit a long-shafted, low-lofted iron or hybrid.


FWIW, however, I think it's worthwhile to watch what Phil does on those shots and ignore some of what he says.  Because his technique is a bit less "stiff" than his description.  He actually does have a little release


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgkcnZygGnY




And then this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvmHU5Hcs2k
Over time, the guy in the ideal position derives an advantage, and delivering him further  advantage is not worth making the rest of the players suffer at the expense of fun, variety, and ultimately cost -- Jeff Warne, 12-08-2010

Erik J. Barzeski

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Re: With what club do you chip?
« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2019, 09:50:29 AM »
Most often my 60, with 22° bounce, but sometimes my 54/17, and sometimes my 48/14.

I only rarely see the need to chip or pitch with a lower lofted club. I almost never practice my short game, so when I do I'm not hitting a lot of 8-irons. So I'm comfortable with the wedges, and particularly how much bounce and glide and thus forgiveness they provide.
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Brad Tufts

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Re: With what club do you chip?
« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2019, 10:11:18 AM »

I try to simplify as much as I can.


56 for most shots around the green, plus the occasional PW (43-deg now, woof) for the runners.  I'm not a huge fan of putting from off the green, as I play mostly on fast greens in the northeast, and I don't have much sense for the speed of 10 feet of fairway before it hits the green.


The hardest shot for me is from a tight fairway lie to a green that is 2-4 feet above me to a close pin.  Do you pitch it and try to spin it?  Bang it into the hill?  Usually the run-up play is best, but it takes control out of my hands, and adds doubt.


As I was an improving player in my mid-teens, I often used a 7-iron for chipping...but now the weighting and length of a club like a 7-iron feels very odd to me on a short shot.  I thought this would change when playing links golf, but I usually use the same chipping/pitching clubs just playing for little to no spin.
So I jump ship in Hong Kong....

Paul Jones

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Re: With what club do you chip?
« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2019, 09:33:12 PM »
I use whatever club will land the ball 1/3 distance to the hole from the edge of the green. If the flag is 9 yards on, I want my chip to land 3 yards on and roll the rest.
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