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Matthew Petersen

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Re: What can golf do without?
« Reply #25 on: February 06, 2019, 11:08:42 AM »
CCFADs

Scott Senior

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Re: What can golf do without?
« Reply #26 on: February 06, 2019, 12:41:29 PM »
Baba booey and mashed potatoes.


I couldn't agree more. Stop yelling at golf events.....

Erik J. Barzeski

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Re: What can golf do without?
« Reply #27 on: February 06, 2019, 12:46:53 PM »
I couldn't agree more. Stop yelling at golf events.....
People can't clap anymore because their hands are holding phones, beer, etc.
Erik J. Barzeski @iacas
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I generally ignore Rob, Tim, Garland, and Chris.

Sean_A

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Re: What can golf do without?
« Reply #28 on: February 06, 2019, 01:26:10 PM »
I can do without a lot of stuff, more stuff that I can do with!  At the moment, my beef would be the obsession with 18 holes...adding mediocre holes to a good course to make 18, not using a good piece of land because it won't yield 18 holes and cramming in 18 holes when fewer holes works better.

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Mark Pritchett

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Re: What can golf do without?
« Reply #29 on: February 06, 2019, 01:33:21 PM »
People who think they have all the answers. 

Jeff_Brauer

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Re: What can golf do without?
« Reply #30 on: February 06, 2019, 02:05:04 PM »
People who think they have all the answers.



Those of us in the biz would probably tell you that this would eliminate all 25M golfers in the US...….or at least about 5000 greens committees.


Or, as someone once said, this job would be a lot easier without customers.
Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach

Ed Brzezowski

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Re: What can golf do without?
« Reply #31 on: February 06, 2019, 02:35:30 PM »
iron covers.
We have a pool and a pond, the pond would be good for you.

Sven Nilsen

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Re: What can golf do without?
« Reply #32 on: February 06, 2019, 02:43:11 PM »
People who think they have all the answers.


This times 10.


Nothing on this list promotes inclusivity. 


Its a big world, and golf means different things to different people.



"As much as we have learned about the history of golf architecture in the last ten plus years, I'm convinced we have only scratched the surface."  A GCA Poster

"There's the golf hole; play it any way you please." Donald Ross

Steve_Lovett

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Re: What can golf do without?
« Reply #33 on: February 06, 2019, 04:34:30 PM »
Exclusive and proprietary use of the term "Patron"

Ben Malach

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Re: What can golf do without?
« Reply #34 on: February 06, 2019, 07:40:57 PM »
I think the biggest thing golf could do without is all of the old man toxic BS. I grew up playing golf with my mother as my primary playing partner as my father has little interest in the game and it is astounding the amount of comments that drew. As I have grown older I have talked with a lot of female members of the golf industry and the comments I hear from all most every single one make my skin crawl. Its a real shame that golf is one of the last bastions of this kind of behavior as I personally believe that behavior has no place in polite society.     
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Duncan Cheslett

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Re: What can golf do without?
« Reply #35 on: February 07, 2019, 04:39:05 AM »
Agreed.


Golf clubs can be appallingly misogynistic  places.


Unfortunately, many of the old guard who compromise the Ladies Section at a lot of clubs do little to make other women welcome either.


Niall C

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Re: What can golf do without?
« Reply #36 on: February 07, 2019, 07:23:12 AM »
Duncan

My 83 year old mother might have something to say about that. At her club new members irrespective of age or ability were always made most welcome. Unfortunately for whatever reason sometimes new members leave fairly quickly. That happens in the men's game as well.

Niall

Brock Lynch

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Re: What can golf do without?
« Reply #37 on: February 07, 2019, 08:53:55 AM »
1. Slow Golfers
2. Stupid Rules like anchoring putting and others that make golf too cumbersome for average golfers
3. Golf Snobs who want to take the game of golf back to some bygone era
4. Having to take a golf cart at your private club during prime weekend hours, take a caddy or be allowed to walk or use pull cart
5. Slow Play!!!!!!
6. People with their face planted in their cell phones on the golf course
What golf can use more of
1. Music on the golf course
2. No OB and all lateral hazards (with one stroke penalty)
3. Hot female Co-Eds selling booze to make up for lack of golf carts on the course
4. Lift/Clean and Place for all golf rounds in the non-posting season
5. Timers to remind golfers of their pace of play


Russ


1. Golf doesn't need music on the golf course.
2. Golf doesn't need booze on the golf course. If you need these two things, go to the club.
3. Lift, clean, and place will not help with slow play. Play the ball as it lies!

4. The group behind you is the timer you are asking for.

Cheers

John Kavanaugh

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Re: What can golf do without?
« Reply #38 on: February 07, 2019, 09:06:28 AM »


I think the biggest thing golf could do without is all of the old man toxic BS.
   


When I first started golfing in 1968 all the old men were dead or broken. The old man golfer is a relative new phenomenon. I sincerely have fought becoming that old man that I always hated but it's an uphill battle. Just last week I was old man at Disney, old man at the pool, old man getting seated at a restaurant and finally old man at the airport. I don't hate getting old, I hate being old.

Duncan Cheslett

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Re: What can golf do without?
« Reply #39 on: February 07, 2019, 01:12:25 PM »
Duncan

My 83 year old mother might have something to say about that. At her club new members irrespective of age or ability were always made most welcome. Unfortunately for whatever reason sometimes new members leave fairly quickly. That happens in the men's game as well.

Niall


There are some lovely old ladies like your mum at golf clubs who go out of their way to make newcomers welcome.


You can’t deny however, that there are also a lot of poisonous old bags.


Golf would be well rid of them, together with their male counterparts.
« Last Edit: February 07, 2019, 01:14:24 PM by Duncan Cheslett »

Angus Moir

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Re: What can golf do without?
« Reply #40 on: February 07, 2019, 03:39:19 PM »
When you ask random fellow golfers how they enjoyed their round and they start at the first tee shot....

Jim Lipstate

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Re: What can golf do without?
« Reply #41 on: February 08, 2019, 11:31:33 AM »
Walking only golf courses.
Open the course for a couple of hours for carts to get out those that need or just enjoy the game more with a cart. Why exclude a major portion of golfers?


I rail at the opposite issue - courses that only allow cart golf or greatly restrict walkers to odd hours. Doesn’t seem right to discriminate against the golfer who prefers to walk to instead chase after the revenue cart rental brings in. Just seems foreign to the origins of the game not to mention the health benefits of a good 5-6 mile hike.

Mark Pavy

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Re: What can golf do without?
« Reply #42 on: February 08, 2019, 07:08:24 PM »
Off the top of my head and I might revise later but… the PGA Tour, European Tour, and all other major professional tours.


Bingo!

Tom_Doak

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Re: What can golf do without?
« Reply #43 on: February 08, 2019, 09:11:36 PM »
Golf could do without all the rules that people have created for it in the last 100+ years:


how to play, how to dress, how to act
what's fair or unfair
what par should be
how to take a legal drop
etc.


Golf anarchy would be more fun.




Mark_F

Re: What can golf do without?
« Reply #44 on: February 08, 2019, 10:45:20 PM »
Golf could do without all the rules that people have created for it in the last 100+ years:

how to play, how to dress, how to act
I disagree.  We live in a world increasingly full of uncouth, feral bogan retards.  A lot of them even wear a suit to work. Golf clubs are one of the last bastions of civility and decency.

You can’t deny however, that there are also a lot of poisonous old bags
Golf clubs can be appallingly misogynistic  places.
Beautiful.

Tom_Doak

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Re: What can golf do without?
« Reply #45 on: February 09, 2019, 11:15:05 AM »
Golf could do without all the rules that people have created for it in the last 100+ years:

how to play, how to dress, how to act
I disagree.  We live in a world increasingly full of uncouth, feral bogan retards.  A lot of them even wear a suit to work. Golf clubs are one of the last bastions of civility and decency.


Well, that was my point.  Civility and decency aren't based on what you're wearing.  And how can the clothes of the guys two groups ahead of you, offend you?


As for how people act, if someone is offensive to you, are you going to invite them to play with you next Saturday?

Kalen Braley

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Re: What can golf do without?
« Reply #46 on: February 09, 2019, 11:27:30 AM »
Tom,

I think those are good points especially when considering most weekend hacks break several rules, knowingly or not. And rules bifurcation would be absolutely necessary in this case for competitive play.

P.S.  I also concur that golf desperately needs to adopt a "content of their character" approach vs all the outward appearance criticisms.

Gib_Papazian

Re: What can golf do without?
« Reply #47 on: February 10, 2019, 12:27:46 AM »
Golf and I have not gone through a divorce - but as a practical matter, it has been more of a trial separation. How is it possible a guy who had his own seat in the Men's Bar be so unenthusiastic about diving back into that opium den? The truth is, the list of things golf can "do without" has started to eclipse the reasons we subject ourselves to this maddening exercise.


First off, I put the bats on my shoulder to commune with nature, not listen to your fucking ghetto blaster. And no, I am not impressed with your bootleg recording of Stairway to Heaven. Further, if you're going to bring Bambi Blonde along to gasp at your manly blasts, tell her to lose the heels before she starts with the selfies on the green.


And while we are on the subject of greens, these Stimpmeter measurements of club penis length has gone past insanity. Golf could "do without" cups cut into the side of a contour - on a green Stimping at 13. Since everybody plays money games (except me) - because the game itself is evidently not enough to hold your attention - there are so many side bets, everyone must play each hole to the bitter end.


Golf could also "do without" constant arbitrary rough lines, often leaving deep grass in front of a bunker - along the line of play. Or the opening of a putting surface having a swath of deep rough to stifle any run-up shot. I'm watching this 13th Beach Golf Links on the Euro Tour and it looks like heaven. Golf can "do without" rough at all on the amateur level.


Even before I became a fat old grouch and could actually play this game a little, I felt rough was a nuisance that adds nothing to the game. Since I am standing alarmingly close to my tee shot after the ball stops rolling these days, the idea of hacking my Top Flite out of the cabbage all day has the same allure as hemorrhoid surgery.


And the one thing that golf could "do without" that irritates the shit out of me is the gross lack of generosity amongst upper echelon memberships. We do a great job at Olympic - the place is crawling with high school and college teams - but I don't see that kind of commitment from enough clubs. In the end, this selfish attitude - "you can only play Monday, when the course is closed" - demeans the game.


The Libertarian in me says clubs ought to do as they please, but that does not mean we have to approve of what they do. What the USGA ought to be doing - aside from the First Tee - is challenge each local golf association and their member clubs to seek out a local high school team and give them some afternoon playing privileges. How about some of the more enthusiastic members caddy for the kids during their home matches?


In other words, golf could "do without" all the snobby exclusivity, and be nicer to kids so that - God forbid - they have somebody to emulate besides Joe Six-Pack at the local muni. Nothing against the hoi polloi, but if every muni player behaved like those of us brought along with the traditional values of our game, it would do society a lot of good - especially given the fact that, clearly, both major political parties in America are now led by mentally ill sociopaths.             


     


       
« Last Edit: February 10, 2019, 12:30:05 PM by Gib Papazian »

Kyle Harris

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Re: What can golf do without?
« Reply #48 on: February 10, 2019, 07:09:07 AM »

4. The group behind in front of you is the timer you are asking for.

Cheers



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Brock Lynch

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Re: What can golf do without?
« Reply #49 on: February 10, 2019, 07:21:36 AM »
Kyle,


Yes and thank you. I was assuming the author couldn't see the group in front of him.


Gib,


The absolute best post I've ever read on this site!!


Cheers