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Thomas Dai

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What can golf do without?
« on: February 05, 2019, 05:05:07 PM »
What can golf do without?
Thoughts and suggestions?
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Erik J. Barzeski

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Re: What can golf do without?
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2019, 05:40:01 PM »
Off the top of my head and I might revise later but… the PGA Tour, European Tour, and all other major professional tours.
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Erik J. Barzeski @iacas
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Peter Flory

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Re: What can golf do without?
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2019, 05:48:26 PM »
Speakers in other people's carts.
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V. Kmetz

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Re: What can golf do without?
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2019, 05:54:17 PM »
Quote from: Erik J. Barzeski on February 05, 2019, 05:40:01 PM
Off the top of my head and I might revise later but… the PGA Tour, European Tour, and all other major professional tours.


... this board, too often.
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Pat Burke

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Re: What can golf do without?
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2019, 06:11:16 PM »
Quote from: Erik J. Barzeski on February 05, 2019, 05:40:01 PM
Off the top of my head and I might revise later but… the PGA Tour, European Tour, and all other major professional tours.


As a former player, I’d like to ask why?
No fight in me, just curious why
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George Pazin

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Re: What can golf do without?
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2019, 06:32:24 PM »
One play raters.
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Kalen Braley

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Re: What can golf do without?
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2019, 06:33:38 PM »
Quote from: Pat Burke on February 05, 2019, 06:11:16 PM
Quote from: Erik J. Barzeski on February 05, 2019, 05:40:01 PM
Off the top of my head and I might revise later but… the PGA Tour, European Tour, and all other major professional tours.


As a former player, I’d like to ask why?
No fight in me, just curious why

Pat,

I might be inclined to agree with him, but find it odd/interesting Erik would suggest this given Teaching has hugely benefited from the Tours, TV Coverage, and Celeb Teachers exposure....
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Erik J. Barzeski

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Re: What can golf do without?
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2019, 06:45:07 PM »
Quote from: Pat Burke on February 05, 2019, 06:11:16 PM
As a former player, I’d like to ask why?
No fight in me, just curious why
Because we could stop giving a massively disproportionate amount of weight to a tiny fraction of golfers.

Quote from: Kalen Braley on February 05, 2019, 06:33:38 PM
I might be inclined to agree with him, but find it odd/interesting Erik would suggest this given Teaching has hugely benefited from the Tours, TV Coverage, and Celeb Teachers exposure....

I think teaching, coaches, instructors, etc. would get exposure in other ways: magazines, books, YouTube, etc.

Like I said, it was a bit of a hot take off the top of my mind… that I reserve the right to take back at any time. But not yet. :)
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Erik J. Barzeski @iacas
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Tim Leahy

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Re: What can golf do without?
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2019, 06:53:29 PM »
Walking only golf courses.
Open the course for a couple of hours for carts to get out those that need or just enjoy the game more with a cart. Why exclude a major portion of golfers?
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Steve Lang

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Re: What can golf do without?
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2019, 07:21:27 PM »
Yeh what Tim just said... as hips or knees start aching, older golfers getting short-changed from experiencing some courses.


Just wait.... your time will come
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Pat Burke

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Re: What can golf do without?
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2019, 07:44:57 PM »
Quote from: Erik J. Barzeski on February 05, 2019, 06:45:07 PM
Quote from: Pat Burke on February 05, 2019, 06:11:16 PM
As a former player, I’d like to ask why?
No fight in me, just curious why
Because we could stop giving a massively disproportionate amount of weight to a tiny fraction of golfers.

Quote from: Kalen Braley on February 05, 2019, 06:33:38 PM
I might be inclined to agree with him, but find it odd/interesting Erik would suggest this given Teaching has hugely benefited from the Tours, TV Coverage, and Celeb Teachers exposure....

I think teaching, coaches, instructors, etc. would get exposure in other ways: magazines, books, YouTube, etc.

Like I said, it was a bit of a hot take off the top of my mind… that I reserve the right to take back at any time. But not yet. :)




Haha I’m not in this to argue your point.
Personally, I believe the tour gets too much weight good and bad.


The distance they are hitting it gets so much attention, that very good golf courses, (that will see very few golfers with that type of speed), make changes looking for a solution to a problem they do not have.


The influence over the years on conditioning, especially over green and over fast for greens has caused many problems for superintendents.


The cost of equipment and focus on money are certainly pro golf influenced.


BUT, the over reaction to what is seen at the tour level is, in part, our fault.
We’ve lost touch with the %95 +  of golfers because the overlords of golf too often let professional golf influence their decisions imo
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Mark_Fine

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Re: What can golf do without?
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2019, 07:49:12 PM »
- 4 1/2 - 5 hour rounds!  Length of time to play is one of the biggest reasons golf has dropped in popularity.


- $100+ green fees.  How many golfers can drop that amount of cash a couple times a month let alone a couple times a week.


- Over maintained courses.  Striving for perfect conditions only drives up the cost of the game.


- Less resistance to trollies/pull carts.  Many clubs still think they are taboo. Sad as not everyone can carry their own bag for 18 or even 9 holes.






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Cal Seifert

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Re: What can golf do without?
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2019, 07:51:20 PM »
Emphasis on stroke play as the only way to play.
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Ryan Hillenbrand

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Re: What can golf do without?
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2019, 08:09:30 PM »
The 16th hole at the Waste Management
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Ira Fishman

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Re: What can golf do without?
« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2019, 08:20:24 PM »
Range Finders
Ball Retrievers
Putts Read from Both Sides of the Hole
Ugly Blazers Awarded to Tour Winners
Cultural Norms That Are Elitist and Exclusionary


Ira
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Ian Mackenzie

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Re: What can golf do without?
« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2019, 08:37:06 PM »
The need to rake bunkers.



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RussBaribault

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Re: What can golf do without?
« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2019, 08:41:53 PM »
1. Slow Golfers
2. Stupid Rules like anchoring putting and others that make golf too cumbersome for average golfers
3. Golf Snobs who want to take the game of golf back to some bygone era
4. Having to take a golf cart at your private club during prime weekend hours, take a caddy or be allowed to walk or use pull cart
5. Slow Play!!!!!!
6. People with their face planted in their cell phones on the golf course
What golf can use more of
1. Music on the golf course
2. No OB and all lateral hazards (with one stroke penalty)
3. Hot female Co-Eds selling booze to make up for lack of golf carts on the course
4. Lift/Clean and Place for all golf rounds in the non-posting season
5. Timers to remind golfers of their pace of play
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jeffwarne

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Re: What can golf do without?
« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2019, 08:52:17 PM »
Quote from: Tim Leahy on February 05, 2019, 06:53:29 PM
Walking only golf courses.
Open the course for a couple of hours for carts to get out those that need or just enjoy the game more with a cart. Why exclude a major portion of golfers?


I don't know of a walking only golf course that excludes those who need carts-except maybe Bethpage

To answer the thread question?
Rules changes by organizations that don't respect the  logical thought that went into the original rule and think they can simplify the rules but instead complicate them worse with unintended consequences-or ridiculously stupid wording like the caddy lineup prohibition.
How difficult would it have been to say the caddie can't stand behind the player once he has addressed the ball? (rather than wording that penalizes putting his foot or club down 4 feet from the ball)
Could've cured cancer with the dialogue and thought that has gone into the pin in/out thing-who gives a shite?

« Last Edit: February 05, 2019, 08:59:35 PM by jeffwarne »
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MLevesque

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Re: What can golf do without?
« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2019, 09:12:13 PM »
DEEP rough, able body Yahoo!'s in carts with blaring music, 5+ hour rounds, out-bounds (stroke and distance) and TV golf showing Tiger leaning on his putter (out of contention) while the tournament leaders play in obscurity.
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John Emerson

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Re: What can golf do without?
« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2019, 09:15:22 PM »
Over watered turf
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Greg Chambers

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Re: What can golf do without?
« Reply #20 on: February 06, 2019, 02:41:10 AM »
The stimpmeter.
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Matthew Rose

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Re: What can golf do without?
« Reply #21 on: February 06, 2019, 06:05:15 AM »
Baba booey and mashed potatoes.

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Tim Gavrich

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Re: What can golf do without?
« Reply #22 on: February 06, 2019, 08:07:06 AM »
Snobs.
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Jim Nugent

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Re: What can golf do without?
« Reply #23 on: February 06, 2019, 09:38:50 AM »
For pro's during tournaments...
* Yardage books or course guides of any kind
* Caddies* No time clock (i.e. install a time clock)* Marking ball on any single green more than once* Greens that stimp more than 10

For golf overall...
* Slope ratings
* 2 stroke penalty for OB and lost ball
 



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Jeff_Brauer

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Re: What can golf do without?
« Reply #24 on: February 06, 2019, 10:34:55 AM »

IMHO, 20,000+ SF Clubhouses, but then, a few clubs need them, just not as many as actually have them.


TBH, a nice thread, but the real title should be "What can golf do with Less of and What does golf need MORE of?"  In other words, shades of gray rather than black and white ideas.
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