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Trey Kemp

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Re: par threes, short par fours, and par fives in a row.
« Reply #25 on: January 23, 2019, 11:39:25 AM »
Holes 7 - 10 at Stevens Park Golf Course in Dallas play 3-3-5-5.
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Sven Nilsen

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Re: par threes, short par fours, and par fives in a row.
« Reply #26 on: January 23, 2019, 11:57:52 AM »
The topic made me think of the back nine at Old Mac, specifically the 13th and 14th.


After a tough stretch at 10, 11 and 12 (two longer par 4's and a tough par 3), you get what amounts to two breather holes.  This is followed up by nearly 2,000 yards of golf for the last four, which go 5-4-5-4.


13, 14 and 15 can be birdie holes, as can 18.  The rest are about as tough a par as you'll find on the resort.


On a breezy summer day, its kind of nice to tell guests after 11 that they've played the last really tough hole into the wind.


Sven
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Nicolas Joakimides

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Re: par threes, short par fours, and par fives in a row.
« Reply #27 on: January 25, 2019, 12:49:31 PM »
Hello,


Back to back 270 yards par 4 at Teelal ( Morocco) on holes 2 ( heading east ) & 3 heading south)
You can have a great start !
 ;)

Doug Siebert

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Re: par threes, short par fours, and par fives in a row.
« Reply #28 on: January 25, 2019, 01:54:44 PM »
One of my local favorites, Saddleback Ridge in Solon IA, has a back nine of 4-4-3-5-3-5-5-3-4, so it not only has back to par 5s but three out of four holes is a par 5 and there's a six hole stretch without a par 4.

It has three par 3s, three par 4s and three par 5s on each nine, but does an amazing good of mixing it up so that each hole presents a unique challenge. Pretty much the only "average" course I've ever seen where every hole is feels different, and it doesn't seem like you're facing the same shot multiple times in a round.

It is pretty easy to score on, especially for a good player, since the rough is kept short, the majority of the greens are fairly simple, trees are few and there are only two bunkers (one of which I've never seen anyone in) If anyone from GCA is ever driving down I80, skip The Harvester and visit Saddleback instead. It is more fun, and the routing and strategy is better. It just doesn't get notice because it is too easy - but if they really wanted to change that they could grow in the rough, sand fill the more obvious hollows (which I think were probably intended for bunkers but didn't get them for whatever reason - probably maintenance cost) and Doak up some of the more pedestrian greens and it would get a lot of buzz without needing to change a single teebox or fairway line.
« Last Edit: January 25, 2019, 01:56:17 PM by Doug Siebert »
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Brad Tufts

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Re: par threes, short par fours, and par fives in a row.
« Reply #29 on: January 25, 2019, 04:14:29 PM »

My home course has that, all in a row!  Tedesco CC in MA.


Threes: #7 (230) and #8 (130)
Short fours, our two shortest: #5 (350) and #6 (275)….I realize 350 is sorta cheating.
Fives: #9 (505) and #10 (560)
So I jump ship in Hong Kong....

Tommy Williamsen

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Re: par threes, short par fours, and par fives in a row.
« Reply #30 on: January 25, 2019, 04:47:35 PM »
I really like courses that have 6 threes, 6 fours, and 6 fives.  I get tired of par fours. There just aren't many with that configuration. I used to play a course with five threes and five fives. Loved it.
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James Brown

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Re: par threes, short par fours, and par fives in a row.
« Reply #31 on: January 25, 2019, 09:25:12 PM »
The topic made me think of the back nine at Old Mac, specifically the 13th and 14th.


After a tough stretch at 10, 11 and 12 (two longer par 4's and a tough par 3), you get what amounts to two breather holes.  This is followed up by nearly 2,000 yards of golf for the last four, which go 5-4-5-4.


13, 14 and 15 can be birdie holes, as can 18.  The rest are about as tough a par as you'll find on the resort.


On a breezy summer day, its kind of nice to tell guests after 11 that they've played the last really tough hole into the wind.


Sven


18 at Old Mac is tough as nails.  A Birdie hole?

James Brown

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Re: par threes, short par fours, and par fives in a row.
« Reply #32 on: January 25, 2019, 09:27:36 PM »
Moray Old has two back to back drivable par 4s on the front nine.  Made two fluke birdies on them the only time I’ve played it. 

Sven Nilsen

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Re: par threes, short par fours, and par fives in a row.
« Reply #33 on: January 26, 2019, 07:32:20 AM »
The topic made me think of the back nine at Old Mac, specifically the 13th and 14th.


After a tough stretch at 10, 11 and 12 (two longer par 4's and a tough par 3), you get what amounts to two breather holes.  This is followed up by nearly 2,000 yards of golf for the last four, which go 5-4-5-4.


13, 14 and 15 can be birdie holes, as can 18.  The rest are about as tough a par as you'll find on the resort.


On a breezy summer day, its kind of nice to tell guests after 11 that they've played the last really tough hole into the wind.


Sven


18 at Old Mac is tough as nails.  A Birdie hole?


Sure, its downwind in the summer.   


For a good player its hybrid up the left and then punch 9 iron or wedge onto the green.  For the bombers its driver putter.
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Forrest Richardson

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Re: par threes, short par fours, and par fives in a row.
« Reply #34 on: February 01, 2019, 10:19:26 AM »
Bishop Auckland is a charming 18-hole layout in Northern England. The Bishop, as it is known, sports a most unpredictable order of par. Beginning on the front side, golfers face holes of modern-day par 4, 5, 5, 5, 3, 4, 3, 3, 5 = 37, and, continuing on the back, par 3, 5, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4 = 35. Take that!
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Greg Tallman

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Re: par threes, short par fours, and par fives in a row.
« Reply #35 on: February 01, 2019, 10:48:40 AM »
Most unconventional I recall is Quivira here in Cabo. Back nine is par 38 with a single par 3, a trio of 5s and the rest 4s.


This was a mistake as the 14th could be a very strong long uphill par 3 that would follow the dramatic short, cliff side par 3 at 13th. Sadly 14 is a rather awkward 90 degree dogleg par 4 with no real option to drive the green or gain any advantage by cutting the corner... missed opportunity that hurts the course as much as the disjointed routing.

Tommy Williamsen

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Re: par threes, short par fours, and par fives in a row.
« Reply #36 on: February 01, 2019, 11:15:50 AM »
Bishop Auckland is a charming 18-hole layout in Northern England. The Bishop, as it is known, sports a most unpredictable order of par. Beginning on the front side, golfers face holes of modern-day par 4, 5, 5, 5, 3, 4, 3, 3, 5 = 37, and, continuing on the back, par 3, 5, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4 = 35. Take that!


Wow!! I don't know this course but the order might be the most unusual I've heard of. I've never seen three par fives in a row, or four on one nine. I used to play a par 38 (FT Meade, MD) but it had three fives and one three.
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Tommy Williamsen

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« Reply #37 on: February 01, 2019, 11:32:41 AM »
Actually, I think Town and Country in MN and Inwood have three par fives in a row.
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Where there is no love, put love; there you will find love.
St. John of the Cross

"Deep within your soul-space is a magnificent cathedral where you are sweet beyond telling." Rumi