[Michael Moore]

between the clubhead and the ball or whatever intervenes between the club and the ball. (Decision 14-1a/4)


https://www.golfchannel.com/video/2018-hero-world-challenge-tiger-woods-ruling-rd-2


So a fair strike out of the sand with a two-inch backswing can propel the ball twenty feet?

[Ken Moum]

between the clubhead and the ball or whatever intervenes between the club and the ball. (Decision 14-1a/4)


https://www.golfchannel.com/video/2018-hero-world-challenge-tiger-woods-ruling-rd-2


So a fair strike out of the sand with a two-inch backswing can propel the ball twenty feet?

There's no effing way that ball wa fairly struck at.


I could give a crap whether he hit it more than once, he clearly shoved it out of the bush. Chamblee even said, "the club and the ball are travelling together."


But I really don't give a crap because the pros have long ago abandoned any pretense or golf being a game of honor. 


I wasn't watching much golf on TV, and with all the BS that's happened lately with bogus rulings like this and the whole backstopping deal, I stopped completely.  Except for the US Open, Open Champioship and Ryder Cup... where the crybabies are out in force.

[Kalen Braley]

Thank the Lawd for Frank Nobilo, a voice of reason in all the insanity of slow-mo shots, angles, and other nonsense.


If they looked at high speed camera footage of every chip and touch shot around the green, there would probably be far more double hits than people think.  For Gawds sake, just golf your ball!

[Kevin_Reilly]

Frank Nobilo has never said anything controversial or against the grain (including that 2-minute debate with Chamblee 4 or 5 years ago). 


Kudos to that Golf Channel guy (I don't recognize him) who asked some good questions about Tiger's "stroke".

[Peter Flory]

When you have only a couple inches of backswing, a scrape is almost certain since your clubhead speed at impact will be almost zero.


With next year's rules, it seems like it allows scrapes in these situations because the player won't be trying to do it, even though it is inevitable. 


Other than this type of situation, the rule change seems like a good one. 

[Mark Chaplin]

Tiger has zero integrity, never has, never will.

[Brian_Ewen]

"Spirit of the Game" ..... LOL !

[Jim_Coleman]

Tiger has zero integrity, never has, never will.

+1

[Rob Marshall]

I couldn't understand why he didn't take an unplayable lie.

[jeffwarne]

I couldn't understand why he didn't take an unplayable lie.

+1


the guy with the best hands in the history of golf....
couldn't feel the club hit the ball twice....


should never have had to go to video review

[Thomas Dai]

Where’s Colonel Duncan when you need him? Or John Paramor for that matter.

Atb

[Steve Wilson]

Where’s Colonel Duncan when you need him? Or John Paramor for that matter.

Atb

Clarify please.


Never mind I looked it up and have the answer.  Rules referees.


I'm not going to impugn Tiger's integrity on the golf course, but I do know there is no way that was a stroke.  I find it interesting that after doing the wishy-whitewashy glossing over in defending the player and citing the rule for 2019, Chamblee describes it as a scrape while reviewing the recap of Tiger's round.  It is my understanding that a scrape will still be illegal next year and is no way absolved by the double (or more) hit rule.
   
But, you know what, when you are in golf's silly season I guess you can expect silly rulings.  No one want to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs. 

[Erik J. Barzeski]

I can see Tiger not feeling a double-hit because if you watch it in real-time speed, you can see how (IMO) that's not possible with the sounds, the sand, the bush… etc.

But I'm with y'all in that if you're gonna give him the benefit of the doubt there, he loses it on making a fair stroke at the ball. That backswing was 2" long, and with the ball coming out of sand, it wasn't going to leave the clubface very quickly at all.

So, given the size of the backswing, he either had to double-hit it or he was going to make a "non-stroke" at the ball.

[Greg Chambers]

You can’t tell me that a guy that’s hit as many golf balls in his life as has Tiger, that he didn’t know he made an illegal swipe at that golf ball.  The guy has absolutely no integrity whatsoever.

[Erik J. Barzeski]

You can’t tell me that a guy that’s hit as many golf balls in his life as has Tiger, that he didn’t know he made an illegal swipe at that golf ball.

Did you see the shot in full speed? There's a bunch of noise and sand and all sorts of stuff.

I can believe fully that he isn't sure about a double-hit. But if you're talking about whether he "pushed, scraped, or spooned" it, then I'd be more likely to concur.

[Greg Chambers]

I did see it.  And he scraped the ball.  My argument is a guy that’s hit as many balls in his life as he has (and I’ve been playing for around an equivalent amount of time) will know when he’s hit a legit golf shot or not.  Camera angles be damned....you know...you can feel it in your hands.  He’s a douche

[Erik J. Barzeski]

I did see it.  And he scraped the ball.  My argument is a guy that’s hit as many balls in his life as he has (and I’ve been playing for around an equivalent amount of time) will know when he’s hit a legit golf shot or not.  Camera angles be damned....you know...you can feel it in your hands.  He’s a douche

It's quite possible to not feel the "double hit" there in that particular instance. But your mind was made up. So whatever…

[Greg Chambers]

I don’t think so.  A person that’s hit so many balls knows when they’ve hit it multiple times.  You can’t tell me otherwise.  As to your second comment...my mind was open until I saw what happened.  But thanks for trying to scew my opinion.

[Sean_A]

This is the problem with tv review rules negotiation.  I am 100% against using tv unless the tool is used equally on all players.  In this case though, its pretty obvious Tiger scooped the ball by the way he gathered the ball by hooding the club. Still, I would rather some infractions are missed if we can't equally apply tv review.  No sport is perfect.  After experiencing endless rules infractions debates over several years across many sports...I am certain perfection is not the way to go. I long for the old days of human error and moving on because for the sake of getting some calls right, the entertainment value of sports is dropped. Jeepers, most of the time these calls are still debatable even in slow mo.  Already slow moving games are even slower...downtime in sports is an entertainment buzzkill.  For sure, the bigger picture is far more important than a courtroom style of rules implementation.

At the end of the Tiger...once again...Tiger brought this shit on himself.  Why on earth didn't he take a drop?  Tiger gained very little for risking a lost shot.

Ciao

[Rich Goodale]

I saw the "stroke" and expected a fluff, but didn't see any double hit.  Quite frankly, if you can extend a 2" (or whatever) back swing through the sand, continuing the momentum of the sand and the club without a double hit, it is OK under the rules. Think of a highly talented boxer's jab, which starts at 2" (or whatever) from the chin, and it can be accelerated through the landing of the punch and  only slightly attenuating the force through the fist and the glove.


Maybe that's what happened to Sonny Liston (the ball) and Muhammed Ali (the club) at Lewiston, Maine (were you there, Michael?)?  I saw that happen in a theater in the Bay Area, with a future NFL Pro Bowler Linesman as a part of our posse.  He nearly killed the ticket seller after not getting a refund.  Maybe he was wrong, and Ali that talented.....

[jeffwarne]

Sean has it right-Slow motion is killing sports.
Sure some calls get fixed, but then in super slow it could go either way, and generally the call on the field is right.
Football is unwatchable.Give each Coach one challenge and make ALL calls reviewable-(including pass interference)
and stop showing the replays on the jumbotron UNLESS a Coach uses his challenge.
Then carefully review every game and every ref and use those that are the best and let them do their jobs.


If I were a network I would eliminate all zoom ins on Tiger, as he clearly is a protected species-so why jeopardize the franchise?


I'm sure neither Erik or I would try that shot with a 2 inch backswing for fear of a scrape call.
Tiger clearly has the utmost confidence in himself(or as a protected species)
cause he ain't stupid

[Kalen Braley]

Interesting that those who argue an extremely highly developed player like Tiger couldn't not know it was double hit....also claim he lacks those same skills to make a stroke with a 2 inch backswing.


So which is it? 

[jeffwarne]

Interesting that those who argue an extremely highly developed player like Tiger couldn't not know it was double hit....also claim he lacks those same skills to make a stroke with a 2 inch backswing.


So which is it? 

Kalen,
It takes very little skill to know when you've hit a ball twice with same swing.

[Dan_Callahan]

Remember that story years ago about Tiger at the range with (either Nike or Titleist, can't remember) equipment guys? And he could tell that one grips had an extra wrap of tape on it, and there was something about an iron or a putter that he was told was identical to another one but he insisted it was slightly heavier and they weighed it and he was right?


Tiger would know if he double hit a ball.

[Rich Goodale]

I agree with you and Sean, Jeff.


Football (NFL and College) has 6 guys (of various abilities) covering 22 players per play, and god knows how many cameras, and they still get it wrong far too many times, as well as prolonging games into the 4 hour realm.


Golf is a game that should be played with 2-3 players playing their own ball 3:30 or so (or less), even at the highest levels.  Football players get the same 30 seconds to decide how to play the next play (offense and defense).  Golf has 2-3 players each of whom ought to be able to play their ball in a minute each, regardless how difficult or confusing be the lie and/or the shot.  If they can't, penalize them a shot per minute.  How so, how hard for the golfing snowflakes?  Tough titty!  Fuggedaboot the cameras.  Assign an oor John vander Borght to adjudicate the Rules for every player.  Pay them $2000 (or whatever) for the first two rounds and $5000 (or whatever for the last two rounds).  It will take c. $500K from the pot, but that is nada when you see how much money is scoffed by the players and their sponsors and the sellers of the TV rights.  Peanuts for the guys who actually play and make some money.  I can't wait to have JvB calling a 30 minute shot penalty on Tiger or even one of the rabbits on the tour.  Of course, it will never happen....


Rich

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