[Sven Nilsen]

If you want to make any improvements to the list, pick a hole that was around in 1940.

Feb. 19, 1940 Journal Herald -

[Terry Lavin]

Great find, my friend!

[Tom_Doak]

I guess back in 1940 they didn't have many ground rules for an "eclectic" ... he didn't stick to choosing a first hole for #1.


Imagine building the 13th hole at Pine Valley as your opener!

[Peter Pallotta]

Yes - that it's superintendents (not players or writers/critics or architects) creating the list, and that they turned for advice to the '1940' Robert Trent Jones (when he was still in his mid 30s and with Peachtree still to come) makes for an intriguing and informative list. Plus, it comes (obviously/necessarily) from decades before today's classic-modern framework and also before the 'bifurcation' of courses, eg resort vs championship test or good members course vs tour venue. And telling too (perhaps) that the writer identifies supers as "the men who should know" about top courses, as if (perhaps) the 'demarcation' between design and maintenance was not yet as formalized, or that the line between 'architecture' and 'playability' was more fluid.
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[Sven Nilsen]

I guess back in 1940 they didn't have many ground rules for an "eclectic" ... he didn't stick to choosing a first hole for #1.

Addressed in the article, if you didn't just skim it to see what holes made the list.

[Peter Flory]

It's the same selection of holes that was in the 1942 Life Magazine article.  I guess Life must have borrowed it. 

[Neil Regan]

This is one of the earliest such lists.
It was published also in 1942, in Life Magazine, with pictures.
One of my favorites.
Feast your eyes, and consider how time changes things, and doesn’t.

[Neil Regan]

PS
Peter,


 I assume you have the picture of Lido’s 4th ?

[James Reader]

Hard to imagine any picture editor making the mistake with the photos for #4 and #5 these days given the exposure Augusta gets.

[Peter Flory]

PS
Peter,

 I assume you have the picture of Lido’s 4th ?

I do, thanks. 

[Craig Disher]

Neil,I'm assuming you have a copy of the magazine. Is there a list of credits for the photos?

[Neil Regan]

Neil,I'm assuming you have a copy of the magazine. Is there a list of credits for the photos?

Craig,


  I do have a few copies of the magazine, but I used Google Books to capture those pages.
Here are the photo credits for that issue (July 20, 1942). Pages 62 - 63.


Do you recognize any of the photographers ?

[Kyle Harris]

Hard to imagine any picture editor making the mistake with the photos for #4 and #5 these days given the exposure Augusta gets.

Augusta Country Club? That's what is listed, not Augusta National.

[Sven Nilsen]

Certainly not the first list of its kind, as this May 1927 Golf Illustrated article shows.

Interesting to note the holes that make both lists, including the 13th at Pine Valley, the 13th at TCC and the 4th at Lido.

[Peter Flory]

Hard to imagine any picture editor making the mistake with the photos for #4 and #5 these days given the exposure Augusta gets.

Augusta Country Club? That's what is listed, not Augusta National.

Same zip code at least. 

[Craig Disher]

Neil,I don't. I hoped that Charles Mayo would pop up - the last superintendent at Lido who was reported to have taken photos of every hole prior to the course closing.

Neil,I'm assuming you have a copy of the magazine. Is there a list of credits for the photos?

Craig,


  I do have a few copies of the magazine, but I used Google Books to capture those pages.
Here are the photo credits for that issue (July 20, 1942). Pages 62 - 63.


Do you recognize any of the photographers ?

[Ted Sirbaugh]

Interesting to note the holes that make both lists, including the 13th at Pine Valley, the 13th at TCC and the 4th at Lido.

It's especially interesting that the 13th at TCC made both lists. I'd say it's now more of an under the radar great hole, while we tend to focus on 3, 11, and 17 (though 17 has a lot to do with Justin Leonard).

[Kyle Casella]

Interesting to note the holes that make both lists, including the 13th at Pine Valley, the 13th at TCC and the 4th at Lido.

It's especially interesting that the 13th at TCC made both lists. I'd say it's now more of an under the radar great hole, while we tend to focus on 3, 11, and 17 (though 17 has a lot to do with Justin Leonard).

I always think of it as my favorite hole on the course. The bunker really creeps into the fairway more than you ever think from the tee, no matter how many times you play it. And I love the challenge of that green, especially when the hole is in the front. The trees on the left are certainly a lot more full some now than they were in the photo!

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