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Thomas Dai

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Re: England Golf Ideas & Ireland
« Reply #25 on: July 30, 2018, 02:31:51 PM »
Try to squeeze in Formby Ladies. You won’t be disappointed
+1. Or is it +2?!
See - [size=78%]http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,60714.msg1568910.html#msg1568910[/size]
Atb

Michael Wharton-Palmer

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Re: England Golf Ideas & Ireland
« Reply #26 on: July 30, 2018, 03:09:52 PM »
I cannot argue with Seans essential list..very well compiled.
Additions for me would be Swinley,Woking,New Zealand and above all Brancaster which to me is an experience unlike any other anywhere.
The architectural features are so bold and the routing so wonderful that is could be in my favourite five courses to play anywhere, just great great fun.
In my opinion it is not to be missed and as such with its proximity to Hunstanton, you might as well play there.
As for accomodation, do yourself a favour, save some money and stay in a pub with lodging, get to experience the real England.
After all you are they to play golf and all you need is a bed. ;D

Daryl David

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Re: England Golf Ideas & Ireland
« Reply #27 on: July 30, 2018, 06:47:03 PM »
Try to squeeze in Formby Ladies. You won’t be disappointed
+1. Or is it +2?!
See - [size=78%]http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,60714.msg1568910.html#msg1568910[/size]
Atb


I should have added to be sure and take in lunch in the ladies clubhouse. Great food and very warm welcome to visitors.

Mark Chaplin

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Re: England Golf Ideas & Ireland
« Reply #28 on: July 31, 2018, 04:20:10 PM »
John whilst disappointed with RND I thought there were some outstanding holes at St Enodoc, in the trip mentioned I don’t think they warrant a 4-5 hour detour in the opposite direction when the OP could go 90 mins out of their way to play West Sussex, Hunstanton, Brancaster or Deal.
Cave Nil Vino

John Mayhugh

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Re: England Golf Ideas & Ireland
« Reply #29 on: July 31, 2018, 04:41:07 PM »
Mark,In his original post, Steve said he had either played or planned to play a number of courses. The list included St. Enodoc and Westward Ho!  I'm not sure which category the Devon/Cornwall courses fit into. Whether they are worth a major detour depends on goals for the trip. If you want to see the absolute best England has, I think St. Enodoc is in the top 5-10. Westward Ho! is down the list quite a bit, but throw in the overall uniqueness and it moves way up.
Quite a bit different if one has a single visit and wants to play five courses than if they are interested in multiple trips and want to see as much of an architectural range as possible. That's how I was approaching the question.

Mark Saltzman

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Re: England Golf Ideas & Ireland
« Reply #30 on: July 31, 2018, 04:50:39 PM »
Mark,Not a huge detour to see Seascale on your way south from Silloth. Not as scenic due to the power station, but I enjoyed it a lot. And at Formby, try to see the Ladies course as well as the main one.


I had hoped to play Seascale but I am coming from north and Silloth could only accommodate in the afternoon.  Rather than travel to Seascale and double-back I chose to play Southerness.


I'd really like to play Formby Ladies, and I expect I will.  I just didn't want to book too much and exhaust myself... but there are a few open slots in my schedule.

Sean_A

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Re: England Golf Ideas & Ireland
« Reply #31 on: August 01, 2018, 04:49:03 AM »
I cannot argue with Seans essential list..very well compiled.
Additions for me would be Swinley,Woking,New Zealand and above all Brancaster which to me is an experience unlike any other anywhere.
The architectural features are so bold and the routing so wonderful that is could be in my favourite five courses to play anywhere, just great great fun.
In my opinion it is not to be missed and as such with its proximity to Hunstanton, you might as well play there.
As for accomodation, do yourself a favour, save some money and stay in a pub with lodging, get to experience the real England.
After all you are they to play golf and all you need is a bed. ;D

Michael

My list is stripped down for the guy who ain't gonna spend much time in England.  I could see maybe adding Woking.  Swinley is much like Sunny Old when we get right down to it.  I could see preferring Swinley to Sunny Old and playing that instead.  I need to get back to Swinley because Sheehy says it is in much better nick these days than previously.  New Zealand is different, but is it a great course?  Needs serious tree clearing!  However, maybe being a great course doesn't matter.  The customers I send there love it. Maybe Brancaster should be added because of its use of water, but again, is it a great course?  I am currently on the side of no because of so many dull holes....I think the property is a bit small, hence all the manufactured doglegs into the dunes.  I find Rye to be quite similar to Brancaster, but a better course.  Hell, if we add Brancaster, I would be inclined to add Formby.  I think its better than Brancaster and its a bit different with its trees. 

Ciao
« Last Edit: August 01, 2018, 04:58:10 AM by Sean_A »
New plays planned for 2025: Ludlow, Machrihanish Dunes, Dunaverty and Carradale

John Mayhugh

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Re: England Golf Ideas & Ireland
« Reply #32 on: August 01, 2018, 08:47:55 AM »
Mark,
I figured you had a good reason for skipping Seascale, but just making sure.

Sean,
The two must sees (of courses I have played) in England are Sandwich and Brancaster. Sandwich is likely the best course in the country. Brancaster is an utterly unique combination of charming and quirky that for me seems the most English of courses (even if that's wrong). Perfect clubhouse and a course with highs and lows to be sure, but far better than the sum of its parts. Throw in dogs and a beach and I can't imagine a better place to visit.

Sean_A

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Re: England Golf Ideas & Ireland
« Reply #33 on: August 02, 2018, 06:26:21 AM »
Mark,
I figured you had a good reason for skipping Seascale, but just making sure.

Sean,
The two must sees (of courses I have played) in England are Sandwich and Brancaster. Sandwich is likely the best course in the country. Brancaster is an utterly unique combination of charming and quirky that for me seems the most English of courses (even if that's wrong). Perfect clubhouse and a course with highs and lows to be sure, but far better than the sum of its parts. Throw in dogs and a beach and I can't imagine a better place to visit.

Tucky

Its interesting as to what attracts us to certain courses. Like you, I enjoy the off course aspects of golf such as the house, history, club culture etc.  Also like you, I enjoy seeing holes which are a bit different and the 8th certainly fills that bill.  Plus there are a few other very good holes such as the 3rd, 9th & 14th.  And while not a great hole, I really like the bunker/green combo for 18.  The playability of Brancaster too is very good, at least in my experience.  For these reasons Brancaster is top 50 favourites for me, yet its some way behind the top few of Kington and St Enodoc.

Ciao
New plays planned for 2025: Ludlow, Machrihanish Dunes, Dunaverty and Carradale

John Mayhugh

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Re: England Golf Ideas & Ireland
« Reply #34 on: August 02, 2018, 08:06:14 AM »
Sean,Thanks for the comments. I think I fell in love with Brancaster before I ever went through the gates onto the course.

I do need to see Brancaster again. Not because I'm questioning my assessment, though. I just need to see it again. Hard to believe it's been five years.

Keith Phillips

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Re: England Golf Ideas & Ireland
« Reply #35 on: August 11, 2018, 07:08:29 AM »
Just back from 9 rounds in 6 days in NW England.  A fabulous 16-person father-son trip.  Handicaps were 8-22 and the wind was up, so scores were high but we had a blast.  DNP Hillside or Formby Ladies for scheduling reasons but did play some great ones.  We stayed at The Vincent in Southport, which was a very solid modern hotel in an elegant small city...convenient location and some good food.  The golf was a blur.  Golf itinerary as follows:


1. Southport & Ainsdale - great terrain but very narrow driving corridors and the flat greens were running 5-6
2. Wallasey - several spectacular holes combined with quality holes on flatter terrain
3. West Lancs - a blur - I recall liking it but can't remember much!
4. Silloth on Solway - played without caddies on a dark, rainy, windy day but that couldn't hide the great terrain and interest provided
5. Formby - quality golf all the way - fantastic greens, a few distinctive wooded holes that wouldn't be out of place at Spyglass - a posh club
6. Royal Birkdale - world-class but I struggled to enjoy as I was in my pocket much of the afternoon
7. Royal Liverpool x2 - played in a 3-club wind but played well enough to avoid the internal out-of-bounds - some really interesting diverse golf 
8. Royal Lytham & St. Annes - quality all the way around - fantastic bunkering, strong greens, first class all the way


The consensus #1 was certainly Royal Birkdale but I played poorly there so it's down my list a bit.  Formby and Royal Liverpool would be tops on my list if I were to join a club over there.  Wallasey and Silloth had the best views, but overall the scenery is less dramatic than in SW Ireland or parts of Scotland.  Logistics are pretty straight-forward for this region - non-stop flights into Manchester from many airports and, other than Silloth, all courses within 10-60 minutes of a central location like Southport.  Many locals consider Hillside the best of the non-Royals so it's too bad we couldn't fit that in. 

Shelly Jones

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Re: England Golf Ideas & Ireland
« Reply #36 on: August 14, 2018, 01:37:26 PM »

I assume that you are playing both courses at Sunningdale.
I have always enjoyed Walton Heath, and Rye is a very challenging (and fun) course.

Steve_Roths

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Re: England Golf Ideas & Ireland
« Reply #37 on: October 17, 2018, 03:16:15 PM »
I just returned after playing the following:


St. Enodoc
Royal Porthcawl
Pennard
Rye
Sunningdale New
Royal Hague
DePan
European Club
Waterville


Odd mix for sure.  DePan, Waterville, St. Enodoc and Pennard were the highlights of the trip.   I was really amazed/impressed with DePan. 


Pennard is truly something special.  Same could be said for St. Enodoc.




Dan_Callahan

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Re: England Golf Ideas & Ireland
« Reply #38 on: October 18, 2018, 04:38:05 PM »
I was in England/Scotland over the summer and, for what it's worth, I really enjoyed Alwoodley. Probably my favorite inland course on the trip.