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Steve_ Shaffer

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Nicklaus Design to build new course in Surprise, AZ
« on: October 01, 2018, 02:08:55 PM »
The West Valley of Phoenix will have a new 18 hole course designed by Nicklaus Design in a new residential community to be developed by Toll Brothers:


https://realestatedaily-news.com/toll-brothers-buys-781-acres-in-surprise-for-62-5-million/
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Cal Seifert

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Re: Nicklaus Design to build new course in Surprise, AZ
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2018, 03:39:32 PM »
Doubt many on here will be dying to play this one.
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Adam Clayman

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Re: Nicklaus Design to build new course in Surprise, AZ
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2018, 08:55:12 AM »
I'm more interested in playing this design over something JN did in his heyday.


Why?




[size=78%]Supposedly, Jack has changed his viewpoint. [/size]
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Robert Emmons

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Re: Nicklaus Design to build new course in Surprise, AZ
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2018, 09:02:38 AM »
wow...2,200 residences and only 1 course....RHE
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Steve_ Shaffer

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Re: Nicklaus Design to build new course in Surprise, AZ
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2018, 01:15:13 PM »
Let me respond:


!. Nicklaus Design ( Jack Nicklaus II) opened GC Estrella in the West Valley in 1999. It's public and managed by Troon Golf. It's among the best of the West Valley. https://www.estrellagolf.com/course_tour/
2. JN has essentially retired from his namesake company: https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2018/02/09/jack-nicklaus-retiring-from-his-namesake-company.html
3. Design work is now being done by associates, JN II and Chad Goetz among them.
4. Toll Bros will NOT build 2200 houses at once. It's a 10 year project. Moreover, the usual ratio of golfers who buy  in a residential golf community is about one-third. So, the best time to play such a course is immediately after it opens. I remember playing Troon North without houses. It's much different now.
5. Construction on the course hasn't started yet;
6. I presume the course will be public like GC Estrella.
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Steve_ Shaffer

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Re: Nicklaus Design to build new course in Surprise, AZ
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2018, 11:16:21 PM »
I understand that 9 holes will be built initially and that the community will be " age targeted"- age 50-rather than "age restricted." The first section of 400 houses should be ready for sale by mid 2020. Construction of roadways and infrastructure is scheduled to start soon.
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