[V_Halyard]

The year is 2075 and during a hike in the hills of Northern Michigan by Traverse City,
my great grandkids unearth a set of lost DOAK plans that somehow ended up buried in the woods near Treetops.
Being my great grand kids, they of course roust some investors and build the "Bogeyman's Bunker" exactly as Tom's plans prescribe, down to the surrounds and putting surface elevations.

QUESTION: Is this new course now officially able to be categorized as a Tom Doak Course?
Thoughts... Be creative, at least try to have some fun.

RULES OFFICIAL UPDATE: Kyegoalby makes a valid Point:Tom spends time on site to create the greens and surrounds,  so doesn't need the  plan details you describe.

"Later in life, Tom still liked paper and would recite plans to Siri who would render them for him to hold. Unlike the architects that relied on Drones and Virtual Reality, he insisted on walking the ground and having a hard copy record of his dictation. This continued up to the day he mysteriously disappeared on the 5th hole at Askernish"

There... get busy.

[JESII]

Who is Tom Doak?

[Kye Goalby]

Unless the future brings some changes, I think the plans they found are forgeries. 


Haven’t  ever seen a set of  Doak plans with greens elevations as you describe.  Tom spends time  on site to create the greens and surrounds,  so doesnt need the  plan details you describe.

[Jeff Schley]

Wasn't that the golf course architect that disappeared under suspicious circumstances because of his low ratings given in The Confidential Guide? 
Too bad golf didn't survive due to water demand, my grandfather still talks about real grass courses back in the day. Now at least we have Top Golf!


Love ya don't tell ya enough Vaughn for that imagination.

[V_Halyard]

Unless the future brings some changes, I think the plans they found are forgeries. 


Haven’t  ever seen a set of  Doak plans with greens elevations as you describe.  Tom spends time  on site to create the greens and surrounds,  so doesnt need the  plan details you describe.

Point taken...
In his old age, he began dictating things to Siri and she would render them so he wouldn't forget them, like where he put these plans.  See revised Initial post...

[V_Halyard]

Wasn't that the golf course architect that disappeared under suspicious circumstances because of his low ratings given in The Confidential Guide? 
Too bad golf didn't survive due to water demand, my grandfather still talks about real grass courses back in the day. Now at least we have Top Golf!


Love ya don't tell ya enough Vaughn for that imagination.

Thanks Jeff.  Look, golf can be fun and so can GCA every once and a while.

[V_Halyard]

Who is Tom Doak?

Some guy that passed thru Ithaca...

[Kalen Braley]

I think Tom can feel safe that his legacy in large part will remain long after we've all passed along...


As for the question, if you're asking what I think you're asking, I think it would be fair to keep his name on the mast head somewhere, even if he or his team didn't put it in the ground.  But if you were smart, you would take the idea as your own, copy the plans, and not show the original plans to anyone and keep all the credit for yourself!! 

[Peter Pallotta]

North Pole Sentinel
114th - Season Blue - 2075
Anastasia Naccarato 

Ancient drawing key to Modern Course

North Pole golfers may soon be enjoying their newest Par 2, courtesy of Kaiser Age architect Tom Doak and a remarkable find --  recently discovered plans for a never-built 9200 yard [8.4 kilometre] golf course.

Middle-Earth historian Margaret Halyard unearthed the find among the ruins of a mid-Trumpian ranch-style bungalow in Traverse City [Elok Kole] that was owned, before the Flood, by her great grandfather Vaughn Halyard.

"It's definitely an example of Tom Doak's work -- an 18 hole routing straight from his hands", said Halyard. "We know it's authentic because of the little smiley faces he drew on all his greens, and how he'd doodle in the fairways by practicing Pete Dye's signature." Doak was one of the leading architects of his day, having built 14 golf courses for Mike Keiser, the famed developer from whom the era gets its name.

Local architecture aficionado, Mattingly Ginella, has seen the find and is excited about the possibilities it offers. "We're so lucky here in the North Pole, to be able to play golf all 475 days of the year and in such a perfect climate -- and what better way than with a 'new' Tom Doak design". 

Ginella notes, however, that this find also presents some problems: "I mean, obviously, at only 8.4 kilometers it won't offer much of a challenge, and can't qualify even as a championship Par 2 course -- but, fear not, there may be some solutions".  Those include, according to Ginella, limiting play to Titanium only, and/or undertaking a sympathetic restoration to bring it up to a regulation 14.4 kilometer course.   

Whatever the solution, Halyard remains excited by the find itself. "The evidence that sealed it for," she says, "the moment I was absolutely sure it was a Doak, was when I saw the warm dedication he always offered to his very close friend and true creative inspiration, Peter Pallotta. Not even the Doak experts of his day knew about that relationship, and so certainly no modern day forger would've ever thought to include it".     

[V_Halyard]

I think Tom can feel safe that his legacy in large part will remain long after we've all passed along...


As for the question, if you're asking what I think you're asking, I think it would be fair to keep his name on the mast head somewhere, even if he or his team didn't put it in the ground.  But if you were smart, you would take the idea as your own, copy the plans, and not show the original plans to anyone and keep all the credit for yourself!! 

  That's fire! Wait, are you calling for a Tillinghast?  Uh oh...

[V_Halyard]

North Pole Sentinel
114th - Season Blue - 2075
Anastasia Naccarato 

Ancient drawing key to Modern Course

North Pole golfers may soon be enjoying their newest Par 2, courtesy of Kaiser Age architect Tom Doak and a remarkable find --  recently discovered plans for a never-built 9200 yard [8.4 kilometre] golf course.

Middle-Earth historian Margaret Halyard unearthed the find among the ruins of a mid-Trumpian ranch-style bungalow in Traverse City [Elok Kole] that was owned, before the Flood, by her great grandfather Vaughn Halyard.

"It's definitely an example of Tom Doak's work -- an 18 hole routing straight from his hands", said Halyard. "We know it's authentic because of the little smiley faces he drew on all his greens, and how he'd doodle in the fairways by practicing Pete Dye's signature." Doak was one of the leading architects of his day, having built 14 golf courses for Mike Keiser, the famed developer from whom the era gets its name.

Local architecture aficionado, Mattingly Ginella, has seen the find and is excited about the possibilities it offers. "We're so lucky here in the North Pole, to be able to play golf all 475 days of the year and in such a perfect climate -- and what better way than with a 'new' Tom Doak design". 

Ginella notes, however, that this find also presents some problems: "I mean, obviously, at only 8.4 kilometers it won't offer much of a challenge, and can't qualify even as a championship Par 2 course -- but, fear not, there may be some solutions".  Those include, according to Ginella, limiting play to Titanium only, and/or undertaking a sympathetic restoration to bring it up to a regulation 14.4 kilometer course.   

Whatever the solution, Halyard remains excited by the find itself. "The evidence that sealed it for," she says, "the moment I was absolutely sure it was a Doak, was when I saw the warm dedication he always offered to his very close friend and true creative inspiration, Peter Pallotta. Not even the Doak experts of his day knew about that relationship, and so certainly no modern day forger would've ever thought to include it".     

Honors.
Mr. Palotta, you may come retrieve a handful of Thin Mints from the jar on my desk. Mr. Braley, see me after class. The rest of you, back to work.   Anastasia Naccarato ... Brilliant

[Joe Hancock]

North Pole Sentinel
114th - Season Blue - 2075
Anastasia Naccarato 

Ancient drawing key to Modern Course

North Pole golfers may soon be enjoying their newest Par 2, courtesy of Kaiser Age architect Tom Doak and a remarkable find --  recently discovered plans for a never-built 9200 yard [8.4 kilometre] golf course.

Middle-Earth historian Margaret Halyard unearthed the find among the ruins of a mid-Trumpian ranch-style bungalow in Traverse City [Elok Kole] that was owned, before the Flood, by her great grandfather Vaughn Halyard.

"It's definitely an example of Tom Doak's work -- an 18 hole routing straight from his hands", said Halyard. "We know it's authentic because of the little smiley faces he drew on all his greens, and how he'd doodle in the fairways by practicing Pete Dye's signature." Doak was one of the leading architects of his day, having built 14 golf courses for Mike Keiser, the famed developer from whom the era gets its name.

Local architecture aficionado, Mattingly Ginella, has seen the find and is excited about the possibilities it offers. "We're so lucky here in the North Pole, to be able to play golf all 475 days of the year and in such a perfect climate -- and what better way than with a 'new' Tom Doak design". 

Ginella notes, however, that this find also presents some problems: "I mean, obviously, at only 8.4 kilometers it won't offer much of a challenge, and can't qualify even as a championship Par 2 course -- but, fear not, there may be some solutions".  Those include, according to Ginella, limiting play to Titanium only, and/or undertaking a sympathetic restoration to bring it up to a regulation 14.4 kilometer course.   

Whatever the solution, Halyard remains excited by the find itself. "The evidence that sealed it for," she says, "the moment I was absolutely sure it was a Doak, was when I saw the warm dedication he always offered to his very close friend and true creative inspiration, Peter Pallotta. Not even the Doak experts of his day knew about that relationship, and so certainly no modern day forger would've ever thought to include it".     

I knew it....I just knew it!


Bravo, P. Squared, BRAVO!

[Tom_Doak]

As Kye said, I haven't drawn green plans in a long time.  We have a few from Lost Dunes and Quail Crossing in the office, and I might have drawn an occasional plan since then; but usually I am right there with the shaper, and I don't use paper to communicate.


Just this week I had someone in my office who was very concerned about what some of our old plans are now worth, to a collector.  It freaked him out that I had the original manuscript for The Confidential Guide in a file cabinet!  I took a few things home so at least they wouldn't all be lost in a single fire.


And just as I was about to dismiss his concerns, an old friend called to report that he was down in Florida last week visiting Pete and Alice Dye, and when he was leaving Alice handed him some drawings for safe keeping.  It was all the original drawings for the TPC at Sawgrass.

[Mike Hendren]

Mike Young’s great-grandkids will have proven that Doak was rarely on site for the courses attributed to him and they were actually designed and constructed by “a bunch of farmers.” This will be consistent with a contest where Paul Turner’s great-grand children determine that H. S Colt edges out Doak for Greatest Old Dead Guy Architect (the fix was in).  Finally, The great-grand kids of Phil The Author will produce research that confirms the plans are fake. 


In a separate event Barney’s great-grand kids will have found the Magic Spoon in an attic and auctioned it off for $1.2 million. The wining bidder will be the great-grand kids of the Pizza Man.

[Steve Lang]

   Problem is, since the plans were found at Tree Tops in Gaylord, GCA.COM enthusiasts disputed their authenticity, attributing them to a time capsule buried by Rick Smith & Phil Mickleson after a drunken ThreeTops round late one summer night...

[John Kavanaugh]

We were able to visit the set of the remake of the Wizard of Oz and obtain a comment on the lost set of plans from a much smaller and more engaging clone of the famous architect:

"As architect I must aver,
I thoroughly examined the plans.And they are not only merely fake,They're really most sincerely fake."

[Jeff_Brauer]

Actually, Tom has reams of computer generated plans, usually up to ten multiple schemes for each green meticulously drawn out in 3D to make him look more brilliant when he "discovers" some "new idea" in the field.  In fact, as an Ivy League guy, he not only invented computer plans for golf, some say he invented AutoCad itself, and maybe even the internets.


He has stored them somewhere, with more security than Fort Knox to keep his image intact.

[Peter Pallotta]

 
Two words: The Matrix.
His legion of fans, we don't actually exist (as we imagine ourselves to be). We're just virtual reality 'images' in a vast computer generated world he designed in 1986: the Uni-Cad.
The golf courses too:
Ballyneal? A parking lot in Poughkeepsie.
The Loop? A farmer's field in Paramus, NJ.
Pacific Dunes? It's not by the ocean at all. There *is* no ocean.
The only real thing were the $15 hotdogs at Streamsong.

[BCrosby]

"The only real thing were the $15 hotdogs at Streamsong."

Or as Rene Descartes might say, "I paid $15 for a hotdog, therefore it is." 

Bob

[Quinn Thompson]

If someone wrote some chords, accompanied with lyrics, and the song was never played, nor recorded; yet someone came along the notes and strummed it as their own, would it be a hit ?

[John Kavanaugh]

If someone wrote some chords, accompanied with lyrics, and the song was never played, nor recorded; yet someone came along the notes and strummed it as their own, would it be a hit ?

But there are:


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6cMsXBJ0Y98

[Kalen Braley]

I figured it would be this one...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A899MJ6NXBA

[Sam Andrews]

Are these plans supposed to be by Old Tom Doak or Young Tom Doak (no relation)?

[Thomas Dai]

The worlds population is presently 7.5 billion. There’s a UN forecast that it’ll be 10 billion by 2075.
More likely (unfortunately) that any such old plans will be found when excavating the foundations for new buildings rather than found buried in the woods!
Atb

[Jim Franklin]

I am going to go with yes. We have plans for a second Tillinghast course that was never built. If we ever get it done and use those plans, I believe we were touting it as a Tillinghast course with a co-designer. We shall see. I believe only 12 or 14 holes could still be built as some permanent structures are in the way for an entire 18.

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