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Duncan Cheslett

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When a hole gets a haircut
« on: May 15, 2018, 01:23:31 AM »

The 16th hole at Reddish Vale


1940


1940 by Duncan Cheslett, on Flickr


2010


16th 2010 by Duncan Cheslett, on Flickr


2018

lett, on FliIMG_0137 by Duncan Cheslett,
on Flickr

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2018

« Last Edit: May 15, 2018, 02:04:46 AM by Duncan Cheslett »

Jon Wiggett

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Re: When a hole gets a haircut
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2018, 02:47:53 AM »
Looks a lot better Duncan

Jason Topp

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Re: When a hole gets a haircut
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2018, 01:22:14 PM »
Setting aside whether or not the tree removal improves the golf hole, I have always wondered whether taking trees out that are next to a stream causes harm to the stream itself. 


As a kid, I can remember my grandfather removing a bunch of trees near a creek to get some extra farm acreage.  It seemed to me that the creek became much less stable and carried a lot more sediment with it thereafter.  It went from a regular location for mock battles with a BB Gun to a place I avoided. 


This example appears to involve fewer trees and likely does not involve black soil so I suspect the impact would not be as significant.   

Tom_Doak

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Re: When a hole gets a haircut
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2018, 09:06:35 PM »
Another downside of removing trees along a stream / river is that you're increasing water temperature by reducing shade, which is generally considered worse for aquatic habitat.  So it's best done on limited stretches of creek.

Duncan Cheslett

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Re: When a hole gets a haircut
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2018, 01:04:45 AM »
Another downside of removing trees along a stream / river is that you're increasing water temperature by reducing shade, which is generally considered worse for aquatic habitat.  So it's best done on limited stretches of creek.


The trees have grown only fairly recently. In this aerial photo from 1945 there are no trees along the golf course side of the river.


raf_3g_tud_uk_108_vp1_5036 by Duncan Cheslett, on Flickr

The removal of the trees was essential for the health of the green. It was becoming progressively wetter, softer, and more prone to disease. 

These are our architect's full plans for the hole;
Hole 16 by Duncan Cheslett, on Flickr
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Adam Lawrence

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Re: When a hole gets a haircut
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2018, 05:29:14 AM »
Another downside of removing trees along a stream / river is that you're increasing water temperature by reducing shade, which is generally considered worse for aquatic habitat.  So it's best done on limited stretches of creek.


Probably not so intense a problem in the Manchester area, where the sun never shines  :)
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corey miller

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Re: When a hole gets a haircut
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2018, 02:24:34 PM »



The hole now looks a lot better.


Is the club doing everything proposed?


Don't particularly care for the bunkers but more bothered by the moving of the tee.  Isn't the one "critical" tree that is remaining for strategy being neutered from the new angle while also making a longer walk from the previous tee?


 

Thomas Dai

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Re: When a hole gets a haircut
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2018, 09:35:13 AM »
Looks to be much improved.
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