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Dale Jackson

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AV Macan
« on: February 03, 2018, 10:13:03 PM »
It is long overdue but Arthur Vernon Macan has been announced as one of the 2018 inductees into the Canadian Golf Hall of Fame.  The other inductee is former LPGA player Gail Graham.


Thanks to Jeff Mingay for promoting Macan to this well deserved honour.


Here is a link to the Golf Canada press release. 


http://golfcanada.ca/article/gail-graham-and-the-late-a-v-macan-to-be-inducted-into-the-canadian-golf-hall-of-fame


There are 4 other architects of the CGHOF, Graham Cooke, Geoffrey Cornish, Jack Nicklaus and Stanley Thompson.


Macan is perhaps the most under appreciated of the "golden age" architects.  He was the most influential architect on the west coast and his courses, while frequently and tragically redone, remain superb examples of great routing.  While I am highly biased, being a member for 25 years, Royal Colwood remains his first and most authentic design.  Others include California Golf Club, Broadmoor GC, Inglewood GC, Fircrest GC in Seattle/Tacoma and Shaughnessy, Marine Drive, Richmond and Gore Vale in BC.  He was responsible for designing and renovating many, many others on the west coast. 


Well done Mac!
I've seen an architecture, something new, that has been in my mind for years and I am glad to see a man with A.V. Macan's ability to bring it out. - Gene Sarazen

David_Tepper

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Re: AV Macan
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2018, 10:45:50 PM »
Glad to see Mr. Macan get this honor.

Sadly Mr. Macan's course in San Geronimo, CA (Marin County) has closed. Its' future is very much in doubt. I believe he also designed Contra Costa CC in the East Bay. 

http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,65245.msg1559131.html#msg1559131

Turn it into a farm?

http://www.marinij.com/general-news/20180201/marin-group-turn-san-geronimo-golf-course-into-farm
« Last Edit: February 03, 2018, 10:52:14 PM by David_Tepper »

Kevin_Reilly

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Re: AV Macan
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2018, 01:48:55 AM »
Contra Costa is a good walk and a fun course to play.  It was renovated by the Rees Jones organization a few years ago, but still retains most of the original routing that was really well done (caveat: unfortunately a cool short par 4 with a blind tee shot was converted to a "blah" par 3 as part of the work).  Assuming Macan was responsible for the original routing, it was done really well.
"GOLF COURSES SHOULD BE ENJOYED RATHER THAN RATED" - Tom Watson

Charles Lund

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Re: AV Macan
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2018, 02:33:00 AM »
I played Inglewood and Fircrest for the first time well over 50 years ago and had the opportunity to play Royal Colwood for a few days when they hosted the PNGA Men's Amateur aound 1980.  I've been back to Fircrest and Inglewood in recent years and would enjoy seeing Royal Colwood again. 


At Royal Colwood, I recall massive fir trees and swirling wind.  It was a memorable experience.


Last summer when I played Inglewood, it waa the first time I had played there in 35 years.  The member who invited me had older photos from well before I first played it in 1962.


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Pete_Pittock

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Re: AV Macan
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2018, 03:17:08 AM »
Good on 'em. He did some pretty good work in Oregon also. The book about his is a nice read, also.

Jeff_Mingay

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Re: AV Macan
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2018, 11:41:39 AM »
Thanks Dale.


I'm very happy that Mr. Macan's story and legacy will now be rightfully, deservedly preserved in the Canadian Golf Hall of Fame for all time.


Us Canadians consider Harry Colt's design at The Toronto Golf Club to be a watershed moment in our country. Colt's work at Toronto, beginning about 1910, set a new benchmark for golf architecture in Canada. I'm always amazed that Macan was simultaneously designing Royal Colwood, a course that did the same on the opposite coast. And, as Dale mentions, Macan's courses have been tinkered with over the years, but I've never seen one of his routings improved upon.
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Sean Ogle

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Re: AV Macan
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2018, 11:45:53 AM »
His work at Columbia Edgewater in Portland is fantastic. The Muirfield-esque inside out routing is one of the more unique in the area and very well done.

JC Urbina

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Re: AV Macan
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2018, 12:38:39 PM »
Dale,


I applaud the Canadian Golf Hall of Fame. A.V Macan was a main stay in the Great Northwest, creating some of the most respected clubs in that part of the world.  Regarding Macan, not every golf course he built was a knock out but they provided an alternative to what was being built in that part of the country at that time.  He was practicing his craft with a handicapp which I am sure tested his resolve while making site visits.

I would like to share a quote that I used in a letter of introduction to a club designed by Macan that I was attempting to visit.

Macan once wrote:

“The usual practice with many of the architects is to draw plans, put a construction man in charge of the work and visit the site occasionally. I cannot do that.  The design and construction of a putting green is a very personal job, I liken it to painting a picture and what artist could invite another to paint on his canvas.  Strange as it may seem I probably spend infinite more time on a golf course site during the construction period than any of them.  This is the only method I know and the only way I can satisfy myself.  If I can not satisfy myself then I do not see how I can satisfy those who employ me.”

That quote from Macan, resonates with me

 

On another note,  I have to agree with Kevin Reilly, Contra Costa was spot on with the routing, Macan positioned every green site on this moderate hilly site to perfection.  Sorry to hear it has been modified.
« Last Edit: February 06, 2018, 12:50:00 PM by JC Urbina »

Garland Bayley

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Re: AV Macan
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2018, 10:23:37 PM »
I have updated my tour of Macan's Kelowna CC with pictures moved from photobucket to flickr.

http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,54431.0.html
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Dale Jackson

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Re: AV Macan
« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2018, 11:03:24 PM »
Jim, thank you for sharing that quote, Macan wrote a fair amount over his life and his writing seems to lend itself to quotations many years later.  Several years ago I wrote the 100 year history of Royal Colwood and the book, in part, consisted of descriptions and history of each hole.  I started each hole with a Macan quote and it was a problem editing the material to 18 "sound bites" such was the richness of the material available.


I would be interested in your perspective on Marine Drive after your work there.  How much was original Macan, how much had changed?  What did you admire about his work there?  Other observations.


Dale,


I applaud the Canadian Golf Hall of Fame. A.V Macan was a main stay in the Great Northwest, creating some of the most respected clubs in that part of the world.  Regarding Macan, not every golf course he built was a knock out but they provided an alternative to what was being built in that part of the country at that time.  He was practicing his craft with a handicapp which I am sure tested his resolve while making site visits.

I would like to share a quote that I used in a letter of introduction to a club designed by Macan that I was attempting to visit.

Macan once wrote:

“The usual practice with many of the architects is to draw plans, put a construction man in charge of the work and visit the site occasionally. I cannot do that.  The design and construction of a putting green is a very personal job, I liken it to painting a picture and what artist could invite another to paint on his canvas.  Strange as it may seem I probably spend infinite more time on a golf course site during the construction period than any of them.  This is the only method I know and the only way I can satisfy myself.  If I can not satisfy myself then I do not see how I can satisfy those who employ me.”

That quote from Macan, resonates with me

I've seen an architecture, something new, that has been in my mind for years and I am glad to see a man with A.V. Macan's ability to bring it out. - Gene Sarazen

Jeff_Mingay

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Re: AV Macan
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2018, 10:08:50 AM »
Garland,


Since 2012, we've worked on every hole at Kelowna except 2, 4, 12 and 14 - which will also be reworked over the next couple of years. The par 3 2nd is next on the list, this fall.


So, you need to get back to Kelowna to update your tour! The course has a very different look now.
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Garland Bayley

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Re: AV Macan
« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2018, 09:33:42 PM »
Jeff,
I played Kelowna on the way to Kings Putter. Any chance there will be another Kings Putter in the area?
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

JC Urbina

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Re: AV Macan
« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2018, 01:37:16 PM »
Dale,

Macan's quote is easy to like.  Pete Dye would have never said that so eloquently but that's how I learned to build golf courses under Pete's tutelage, just build the greens yourself.

Marine Drive was my first introduction to A.V Macan.  Michael Riste the curator of the B.C golf museum helped me with a lot of the background info on Macan’s design history.  I toured his museum years ago, included in that tour was some of the Plasticine models that Macan used to create his green formations.  I would recommend a visit to Michael’s museum for anyone in the Vancouver area, his efforts are well showcased and he is such an enjoyable person to be around.


I made it a mission to visit almost every notable Macan course in the Northwest.  What I found out is that many of them had changed either by the usual evolution of the golf course or by greens committee’s or other consultants trying to do one better. In most cases the second go around was not much better.


Marine Drive had a interesting routing that caught my attention, it looped in between the river and the hillside over and over and for that reason I thought it kept the golf course interesting, kind of like a figure 8 routing weaving back and forth from East to West and North to South.  The greens were small but conditioning kept them interesting. I got interested in the golf course because of its potential.  With the help of George Waters and Tony Russell we got the consistency of the bunkers looking right, the mowing lines as good as we could get them and most of the teeing grounds a little more in line with a 1920's look.  We have a way to go but the club seems willing.  Holes to note are #4-11-12-14 and 17.  Many of the green sites were altered from there original intent by other visiting consultants, we have eliminated a lot of the modern looking mounding surrounding the green sites, now it feels like a 20's design.  We restored almost all of the original Macan bunkers, a few left to do but those are scheduled to be done soon.  Other projects have kept us from finishing but I have my fingers crossed we can be done with the project soon.


Of all of the Macan golf courses I have seen, Richmond C.C. and Royal Colwood have the best chance to showcase Macan’s genius.  Fircrest would be a close third as far as his golf courses go.  Victoria GC wins the beauty award.  MD fits in nicely with this group.

Many of Macan's designs had really interesting greens but the fair mongers have taken some of the fun out of his greens, making flat boring greens the replacement for interesting green sites.  I am hoping Richmond doesn't flatten all of Macan's greens out; they are truly inspirational for me.

You know the term 6 degrees of separation, here is my 6-degree story.  The late Charlie Mulligan from Ballyneal and I spent time together and one day Charlie called me and said he had some interesting memorabilia that he wanted to share with me.  The next visit I would make to Ballyneal he was going to have a plastic storage container full of stuff I may be interested in.  When I arrived Charlie met me and opened up the container, in the box were trophies, matches, scorecards and other gifts that were given to the gentleman and family he had befriended in Eastern Colorado.  It turns out that Charlie had inherited the winning trophies of the second club champion at Marine Drive.

It included scorecards, ball markers, tees and various other golf trinkets. Charlie was so happy that he could turn them over to me.  Several months later I took the trophies and related objects to MD so they could display lost history.  Charlie was so happy to share his finding with Marine Drive and me. From that time forward Charlie and I had a special bond in fact when Charlie would call me while laid up in bed, we would talk about that rare 6-degree moment.   That time was priceless.

 
 
« Last Edit: February 10, 2018, 01:40:25 PM by JC Urbina »

Dale Jackson

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Re: AV Macan
« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2018, 05:12:45 PM »
Jim, thank you for that very thoughtful response.  I love what you have done at MD.


I completely agree with the BC golf Museum and Mike Riste, I have never had a conversation with Mike where I did not learn something new and important.  Macan's green models are fascinating.


That is a tremendous story about the MD memorabilia,  this stuff turns up in the strangest places sometimes.  I once purchased a small piece of Royal Colwood memorabilia off of eBay from a seller in the UK, how it got there I have no idea.
I've seen an architecture, something new, that has been in my mind for years and I am glad to see a man with A.V. Macan's ability to bring it out. - Gene Sarazen

Garland Bayley

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Re: AV Macan
« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2018, 10:32:02 PM »
Salem Golf Club is an AV Macan design. My photo tour is at http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,56212.msg1304435.html#msg1304435
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Charles Lund

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Re: AV Macan
« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2018, 02:52:47 AM »
I went back and looked at a very limited number of PGA events in the Pacific Northwest during my childhood years.


Broadmoor Golf Club hosted a 1945 PGA Tour event won  by Byron Nelson as part of his record streak of tournament wins, as I recall.  Fircrest hosted the 1960 Carling World Open, won by Ernie Vossler.  The Seattle Open was held in 1961 at Broadmoor for a couple of years and later moved to Inglewood for a couple of years.


The choice of these courses for PGA events during that time speaks to the fact that Macan's work around that time waa regarded as among the most highly regarded in this region.


Charles Lund

Garland Bayley

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Re: AV Macan
« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2018, 06:36:23 AM »
Salem Golf Club is an AV Macan design. My photo tour is at http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,56212.msg1304435.html#msg1304435

Last night I copied my pictures from photobucket to Flickr to update the tour. When I went to do the update, the pictures were displaying from photobucket. I see this morning that they are not displaying, so I will update the tour, and post again when done.
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Jeff_Mingay

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Re: AV Macan
« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2018, 10:18:04 AM »
I went back and looked at a very limited number of PGA events in the Pacific Northwest during my childhood years.


Broadmoor Golf Club hosted a 1945 PGA Tour event won  by Byron Nelson as part of his record streak of tournament wins, as I recall.  Fircrest hosted the 1960 Carling World Open, won by Ernie Vossler.  The Seattle Open was held in 1961 at Broadmoor for a couple of years and later moved to Inglewood for a couple of years.


The choice of these courses for PGA events during that time speaks to the fact that Macan's work around that time waa regarded as among the most highly regarded in this region.


Charles Lund


Macan's Inglewood hosted a Senior Tour event for a number of years, too, which resulted in a number of original greens being rebuilt, unfortunately.
« Last Edit: February 14, 2018, 01:55:46 PM by Jeff_Mingay »
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Garland Bayley

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Re: AV Macan
« Reply #18 on: February 14, 2018, 01:32:25 PM »
Salem Golf Club is an AV Macan design. My photo tour is at http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,56212.msg1304435.html#msg1304435

Last night I copied my pictures from photobucket to Flickr to update the tour. When I went to do the update, the pictures were displaying from photobucket. I see this morning that they are not displaying, so I will update the tour, and post again when done.

The tour is now updated with pictures on Flickr. Much of what I saw at Salem Golf Club corresponds to Macan's philosophy as outlined in Riste's book.
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Dale Jackson

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Re: AV Macan
« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2018, 09:28:43 PM »

Jeff, I completely agree, I would love to see Macan style greens back in place at Inglewood.  Do your best!


Also, this is, I think, post #19 in this thread.  A couple more will get it onto page 2 and that is very rare for a Macan thread. The Man train is starting to roll!




Macan's Inglewood hosted a Senior Tour event for a number of years, too, which resulted in a number of original greens being rebuilt, unfortunately.
I've seen an architecture, something new, that has been in my mind for years and I am glad to see a man with A.V. Macan's ability to bring it out. - Gene Sarazen

Garland Bayley

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Re: AV Macan
« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2018, 11:54:36 PM »
I just started a photo thread on Columbia Edgewater, which I have never played, with pictures taken from outside the ropes at the LPGA event. Hope some of you Macan fans can add some commentary.
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Jeff_Mingay

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Re: AV Macan
« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2018, 10:34:57 AM »

Jeff, I completely agree, I would love to see Macan style greens back in place at Inglewood.  Do your best!


Also, this is, I think, post #19 in this thread.  A couple more will get it onto page 2 and that is very rare for a Macan thread. The Man train is starting to roll!


Dale,


Future plans include rebuilding 13, 14, 15 and 16 greens at Inglewood in a Macan style using historic photos and other materials. We've already done work (expansions, etc.) at the 3rd, 4th and 9th greens. And, there's discussions on-going about what to do about the 1st and 2nd, which are not original greens either.


We recently rebuilt the 5th green at Broadmoor. The best compliment was from a member who said, "It looks and feels and plays like the old greens." We're working on the 4th green at Broadmoor later this summer, and have plans to rebuild the 10th, 11th and 17th as well, all Bill Robinson greens from the Sahalee era. Macan's original 11th at Broadmoor was an authentic Redan, which we intend to restore. The plan's been approved by the committee.


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Garland Bayley

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Re: AV Macan
« Reply #22 on: February 20, 2018, 07:57:56 PM »
Jeff,

When you have researched the history of Macan courses you work on, has the history born out the principles that Riste writes that Mac followed?

Seldom back to front slope.
No bunkers past the halfway point of a green.
The mix of hole lengths with the emphasis on par 4.5.
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Jeff_Mingay

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Re: AV Macan
« Reply #23 on: February 21, 2018, 06:27:37 PM »
Great question, Garland. The answer is an easy, no.


It's similar to looking at the "principles" Alister Mackenzie and Stanley Thompson, for example, set out and publicized early in their respective careers. Those two great architects ended up breaking every "rule" they claimed at one point to be gospel at different projects that presented different challenges and opportunities. Macan's no different.


No true artist can be defined by a single rule(s), thankfully.
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Garland Bayley

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Re: AV Macan
« Reply #24 on: February 24, 2018, 08:52:57 AM »
Jeff,

With my limited play of his courses it seems he did follow his formula of 6 holes around the limit of reachability in two, 5 drive and iron holes, 3 drive and pitch holes, and 4 one shot holes pretty closely. Have you seen the same?
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne