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Jeff Shelman

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Re: The Top 30 Courses in the Great State of Minnesota - #5 Now Posted
« Reply #150 on: January 15, 2018, 11:52:05 AM »
Minnesota and golf?  Fuhgeddaboutit!  It’s all about Stefon Diggs bolting down the sideline, stumbling, righting himself and then sprinting into the endzone as time expires!!!


And then he goes all Rod Tidwell (see: Jerry Maguire), hurling his helmet and righteously glowering at the crowd.


One of the greatest moments in American sports that I’ve ever witnessed. That’s Minnesota.




It was completely amazing. I had to double check this morning that it was actually real.

Terry Lavin

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Re: The Top 30 Courses in the Great State of Minnesota - #5 Now Posted
« Reply #151 on: January 15, 2018, 11:57:29 AM »
I’m no Vikings fan. And I hardly watched much regular season football, but I’ve been watching the playoffs and we were screaming at the top of our lungs yesterday. Unexpected, unpredictable and utterly unforgettable. That’s a lotta u’s!!!
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Jason Topp

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Re: The Top 30 Courses in the Great State of Minnesota - #5 Now Posted
« Reply #152 on: January 15, 2018, 12:55:55 PM »
I think I have played most of the courses in the top 15 of this list at least 5 times and have played most of them 10 or more times.  My first thought with each of them relates to the experience of playing the place rather than the quality of the golf courses.  Each of the courses is a unique place due to history, the membership, how special it is to be invited to play there or due to some memorable round played there.


It is a treat to play Hazeltine because of its tournament history and terrific membership.  It is interesting to speculate where the Hazeltine golf course would rank if it had not hosted major tournaments.   

Hazeltine has a reputation as being a brute but I have not always found that to be the case.  Its difficulty depends on the tees you play, the weather and the length of the rough. The course hides a lot of yardage in par 3's and Par 5's so I have found that it plays a bit shorter than the yardage on the card indicates. However, if you are hitting long irons or hybrids into many of the greens, you are in for a long day. 

I believe the 16th hole provides a fabulous setting but is actually a relatively mundane hole.  The creek on the left side of the fairway turns the tee shot into a simple test of whether you can hit the fairway.  The green angled into the water is memorable but similar to what you find on a zillion courses in Florida.  10 is a much more interesting challenge, primarily because of the downhill 2nd to a green that tilts towards water. 

The course has two reverse camber dogleg par 4's - the 2nd and the 5th.  I think the 2nd works well but the 5th does not.
The short par 4 14th is a very interesting example of a short tight par 4 that I think works very well.  The 6th has always been a favorite of mine but that may be because I tend to turn the ball right to left.

Most of the remaining par 4's are long, to wide fairways flanked by deep fairway bunkers.  The finishing holes on each side are dull uphill par 4's that play long or short depending on the tee you hit from.

The par 5's tend to be long.  The 7th is very interesting if you have some chance to get to the green in two.  For most of it it is a layup.  The 11th and 15th are over dull land but use bunkers to force some decision-making along the way.  The 3rd is a unique hole.  It is a long par 5 where a big dip over the last 130 yards before the green poses some interesting decisions.  A thoughtless layup down the middle hit as far has the player can hit it will result in an awkward shot from the right rough with some trees that come into play to a shallow green perched on top of a hill. 

Two of the par 3s play in the same direction and are very similar holes (4 &13).  The other two par 3s have very severe greens.  The 8th is very skinny and tilted towards the water on the right.  The best way to make a big number is to bail out away from the water left.  The 17th has a very severe green that was built for slower green speeds and for a pitch shot on what was originally a short par 4. 

I gave it a Doak 5 but could have given it a 6.  Setting aside its tournament history, there are at least 10 courses I would rather play in Minnesota.

PCCraig

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Re: The Top 30 Courses in the Great State of Minnesota - #5 Now Posted
« Reply #153 on: January 15, 2018, 10:39:33 PM »
One of the neat things about Hazeltine is that hosting major golf tournaments is literally its mission statement. Members know what they are signing up for from day one and everyone just embraces the club's role...which I think is terrific.The course is big, brawny, and the most difficult test of golf in Minnesota. Therefore, when you play there you know your game will be challenged and its hard not to be a little excited playing the holes that you have seen played so often on TV recently.


There are some really fun holes there. The 10th is my favorite hole on the course, and even if the strategy is fairly straightforward on the 16th I still think it's a fun second shot as the pin can appear to be floating in the middle of the lake. #14 is a fun short, but tight, par-4 that works well mostly due to an interesting green. The par-5's for me are all three shot holes, so for me they are mostly about not making a terrible swing and giving myself the best chance to attack the pin on a 3rd shot. My favorite par-3 might actually be the 13th, which is long and in the trees, but I think it's a fun green with a ton of slope.


Overall, Hazeltine has been vastly improved over the past five years or so by GCA's own Chris Tritabaugh. When I first played the golf course in 2010, the course was choked with trees and while green, the turf played soggy. Chris has done a wonderful job removing hundreds (thousands?) of trees, opening up the grounds to airflow as well as views (such as on the 10th, where trees were removed and a wonderful view view of Lake Hazeltine was opened up to the left of the green). In addition, the turf is still green but it now plays very firm and fast which really accentuates strategy. Natural fescue areas were introduced and they have really helped add needed texture to the property.
H.P.S.

Tom_Doak

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Re: The Top 30 Courses in the Great State of Minnesota - #5 Now Posted
« Reply #154 on: January 16, 2018, 01:46:24 AM »
I have never been to Hazeltine, and honestly ive never heard anyone talk about it in a way that compelled me to want to go.  It doesn't seem to have much topography to make the fairways interesting, and the bunkering looks utterly straightforward.  What. Am I missing there?

Sean_A

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Re: The Top 30 Courses in the Great State of Minnesota - #5 Now Posted
« Reply #155 on: January 16, 2018, 04:38:09 AM »
One of the neat things about Hazeltine is that hosting major golf tournaments is literally its mission statement. Members know what they are signing up for from day one and everyone just embraces the club's role...which I think is terrific.The course is big, brawny, and the most difficult test of golf in Minnesota. Therefore, when you play there you know your game will be challenged and its hard not to be a little excited playing the holes that you have seen played so often on TV recently.

Given the above, shouldn't the course be at least partially judged on how well it does the job?  Meaning, one really needs to completely drop the idea of playability and try to see Hazeltine through the eyes of the best players?  It is harsh to judge an archie's work when it is taken out of context.


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Chris Tritabaugh

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Re: The Top 30 Courses in the Great State of Minnesota - #5 Now Posted
« Reply #156 on: January 16, 2018, 08:26:24 AM »
One of the neat things about Hazeltine is that hosting major golf tournaments is literally its mission statement. Members know what they are signing up for from day one and everyone just embraces the club's role...which I think is terrific.

There are some really fun holes there. The 10th is my favorite hole on the course, and even if the strategy is fairly straightforward on the 16th I still think it's a fun second shot as the pin can appear to be floating in the middle of the lake. #14 is a fun short, but tight, par-4 that works well mostly due to an interesting green. The par-5's for me are all three shot holes, so for me they are mostly about not making a terrible swing and giving myself the best chance to attack the pin on a 3rd shot. My favorite par-3 might actually be the 13th, which is long and in the trees, but I think it's a fun green with a ton of slope.

Overall, Hazeltine has been vastly improved over the past five years or so by GCA's own Chris Tritabaugh. When I first played the golf course in 2010, the course was choked with trees and while green, the turf played soggy. Chris has done a wonderful job removing hundreds (thousands?) of trees, opening up the grounds to airflow as well as views (such as on the 10th, where trees were removed and a wonderful view view of Lake Hazeltine was opened up to the left of the green). In addition, the turf is still green but it now plays very firm and fast which really accentuates strategy. Natural fescue areas were introduced and they have really helped add needed texture to the property.


I've been following this thread with great interest, and its brought me out of my GCA hibernation. I was actually surprised my account still worked. Its pretty neat that 18 of my 24 seasons working on courses have been spent at courses on this list, well, one isn't yet, but I suspect it will be. Neat to see T&C so high up. I spent seven seasons there are Bill's assistant. I've always rated it higher than most and the work done lately only seems to have improved things.


Pat is right about Hazeltine, and the unique nature of its mission statement. I'm impressed ever time I read it at how well the Club has done in sticking to it over the years. It can be easy for a club to lose its way during the course of 55 years, Hazeltine has not, which is an amazing testament to the membership.


Hazeltine is a wonderful membership, totally committed to the mission of the Club, but also the game of golf. I feel very fortunate to have been able to work for such a passionate group of people. The tree removal Pat mentions started when the club rebuilt the greens in 2010. They did an excellent job of opening up the green sites, preparing for the conversion to bentgrass. We've taken a few more in that regard since I've been there, but for the most part, this particular work was successful. And difficult I must say. Many of those trees were old growth hardwoods, the type that are difficult to take down, even for myself.
The club moved to bentgrass in 2010 and it has served us very well. If one were to go back and read my posts from my time at Northland, these practices, fine-tuned of course, are being used to great effect on Hazeltines bentgrass. Firm, fast conditions are the only way or me, and its nice to hear people enjoy that aspect of Hazeltine today.

My architecture chops are no where near most on here, but I do think Hazeltine offers a great deal more interesting shots than most might think. I find it to very much be an approach shot course. Approach shots are often long, and must be precise, and with tree removal, many of the backdrops have been removed. Tom is right, most fairways are on flat terrain, and for that reason I found Jason's dislike of five fairway interesting. It is more undulated and requires consideration of what happens when the ball lands more so than any fairway on the course. Jason is right when it comes to the tees. Hazeltine's enjoyment/challenge ratio moves drastically depending on the tee you play.

I'll let others discuss the architecture, but I will say from my standpoint, Hazeltine is fantastic place to ply my trade.
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Jim Franklin

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Re: The Top 30 Courses in the Great State of Minnesota - #5 Now Posted
« Reply #157 on: January 16, 2018, 09:16:22 AM »
Hazeltine is dramatically better than when I first played there 10 years ago. Tree removal has been extensive and now the views of the lake are appealing. Before, as Pat said, it was a long, wet slog with deep, penalizing rough. Well, the rough is more playable and the fairways are firmer. From an architectural standpoint, maybe it is not the best, but from a test of golf, it is pretty damn good.
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BHoover

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Re: The Top 30 Courses in the Great State of Minnesota - #5 Now Posted
« Reply #158 on: January 16, 2018, 10:15:22 AM »
When I played Hazeltine, I was blown away how firm the turf plays. I can’t speak to how it played 10 years ago, but it was amazingly firm last May. So whatever Chris and his team are doing, it’s working.


I haven’t had the chance to play links golf, but for parkland courses, Hazeltine and Canterbury set the standard for me when it comes to the quality of the playing surfaces.

Jason Topp

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Re: The Top 30 Courses in the Great State of Minnesota - #5 Now Posted
« Reply #159 on: January 16, 2018, 10:56:41 AM »
I have never been to Hazeltine, and honestly ive never heard anyone talk about it in a way that compelled me to want to go.  It doesn't seem to have much topography to make the fairways interesting, and the bunkering looks utterly straightforward.  What. Am I missing there?


Tom:


The topography does not come across well on television and is not all that relevant to the professional game. 


For us, there is quite a bit of interest posed by slopes in the fairways.  The 2nd and 5th are reverse camber doglegs, the 3rd uses topography to require an interesting second shot, the 6th is a cool dogleg left where slope can be used to shorten the approach.  The 10th is about as dramatic as a hole can get.  I am not sure how far the fairway drops to the green but it is very significant. 

Rick Shefchik

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Re: The Top 30 Courses in the Great State of Minnesota - #5 Now Posted
« Reply #160 on: January 16, 2018, 01:15:28 PM »

The par-4 16th:

Regarding the issue of topographical interest at Hazeltine, it is true that most of the slopes are gentle (though #9 and #18, while unfortunately similar, parallel holes, are steeper than they appear on TV), with the exception of the point where the plateau drops dramatically down to Hazeltine Lake. That drop was actually used better in RTJ's original design, though the rest of the design, with its 90 degree doglegs, was a valiant but ultimately doomed effort to combat the new wave of long hitters in pro golf. RTJ's original #10 -- a sharp dogleg left with a steep drop down to the green -- remains more or less untouched, and most agree it is one of the best holes on the course, if not one of the best he ever designed. He also used that slope to create two NLE holes: the downhill par-3 16th and the short, uphill dogleg right par-4 17th.

The 16th (with a tee located to the left of where the above photo was taken, and its green to a location left of the current 16th green) was controversial because of a huge cottonwood left of the green that created what many called a dogleg left par-3. That hole would have survived, however, had the pros and P.J. Boatwright of the USGA not developed an almost pathological hatred for the 17th. It required a mid-to-long iron up the hill for placement, and then a short iron or wedge to the green (which still exists on the current par-3.) In the 1970 Open, Tony Jacklin hit through the fairway and had to punch out of the trees from his knees and managed to save par. Was it a great hole? No, but it was not the abomination the lynch mob claimed it was. I thought it was a fun hole, and still prefer it to the relatively dull par-3 17th. But Boatwright told Hazeltine in no uncertain terms that the Open would never return to Hazeltine unless the hole was changed. After bringing back RTJ to (reluctantly) tweak the course but still not winning USGA favor, the club finally bit the bullet and changed 16 to its current par-4 iteration and converted the hated 17th to a par-3.

With those two changes, Hazeltine essentially eliminated the use of that steep drop on two of the three holes that originally used it. I think the current 16 is a terrific hole, but it is dead flat, running along the lake; if the tee were up on the hill near the 15th green (somewhere near where the above photo was taken), it would add an element of drama that is now missing. I suppose there isn't enough room to do that, but that picture makes me wish there were. And, of course, the shot back up the hill on the original 17 is long gone. Hazeltine is a better course than it used to be, but there are some missed opportunities, too.
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Jim Franklin

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Re: The Top 30 Courses in the Great State of Minnesota - #5 Now Posted
« Reply #161 on: January 16, 2018, 01:20:25 PM »
My friend's house is right at the 16th tee. It is a great view from his deck.
Mr Hurricane

Chris Tritabaugh

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Re: The Top 30 Courses in the Great State of Minnesota - #5 Now Posted
« Reply #162 on: January 16, 2018, 03:17:15 PM »
I've always felt the 16th had some of the elements of a cape hole, although the lake is probably too far from the fairway on the right and the creek on the left probably starts about 50 yards too far to the left as one stands on the tee. It's an enjoyable hole, especially when the wind is blowing anywhere from the west to the north. I also agree the hole gets more spectacular the higher the elevation from which one views it. The idea of a tee from a higher elevation is something with a great deal of awareness, and there would be plenty of room.


When I arrived, the hillside from 15 green to 16 tee was completely covered with scrub brush and trees. All but a few hardwoods have now been cleared and its make both 15 and 16 much more visually appealing.


I agree with comments on 9 and 18. They are more uphill than it appears on TV. The visual appearance of these holes has been enhanced a good deal by tree work. They also differ more in my mind than people generally assume based on their side by side nature. 9 is shorter with a drive that is all uphill. The approach shot is usually shorter, but you can't see the putting surface. 18 is uphill initially, but a long enough drive will reach the downslope adding a good deal of yardage. The approach can been real long, or real short depending on the day. The green is very deep and as on 9, you don't see the surface on your approach.


When I arrived and had a chance to be on the course, I found it to have much more nuance than I anticipated from watching on TV and a couple rounds.

Jason Topp

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Re: The Top 30 Courses in the Great State of Minnesota - #5 Now Posted
« Reply #163 on: January 16, 2018, 04:10:52 PM »

When I arrived and had a chance to be on the course, I found it to have much more nuance than I anticipated from watching on TV and a couple rounds.


Thanks for chiming in Chris!  Is there a hole you have grown to appreciate more and more over time? 

Jeff_Brauer

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Re: The Top 30 Courses in the Great State of Minnesota - #5 Now Posted
« Reply #164 on: January 16, 2018, 04:23:50 PM »

I liked Hazeltine much more when I played it than when watching on TV.


I really liked 9 green, and it has been the basis for a few greens in my own designs.  I learned a lot about how RTJ got those rolling greens - they are really multi shelf greens, but the edge is sinewy to a degree that you don't really notice the double deck feature.  9 has an upper deck left, with a small sand bunker front left, and then fairly simple grass rough, while the right side is lower and framed by a larger bunker.  While tempting to bail out, chipping from a downhill lie to a green falling away, and over a tier to the lower deck is probably harder than playing out of the bunker.


1 and 9 used to both be very sharp doglegs around the range. When it was moved, they both straightened out, presumably because the excessive number of sharp doglegs was the biggest complaint about the course.
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PCCraig

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Re: The Top 30 Courses in the Great State of Minnesota - #4 Now Posted
« Reply #165 on: January 16, 2018, 10:37:11 PM »
#4 - The Minikahda Club, Minneapolis

The Minikahda Club is located directly in the heart of the uptown neighborhood of Minneapolis. Its name is translated to "on the side of the water" which is fitting as it sits on a bluff directly overlooking Lake Calhoun. The club was founded in 1898 by men who were members of Town & Country Club but lived in Minneapolis and didn't want to travel across the river for golf.

Minikahda's first golf professional, William Watson, in conjunction with Robert Foulis, laid out the original nine hole course in 1899. After the purchase of additional land, Foulis, Robert Taylor and member C.T. Jaffray created a new eighteen hole course in 1907. Shortly thereafter Thomas Bendelow was brought in to make adjustments to the course and later in 1920 Donald Ross redesigned the golf course. Ron Prichard completed a renovation of the golf course in 2001 which removed hundreds of trees, adding length, restored putting surfaces to their original sizes, and renovated bunkers.

Minikahda has a rich history of hosting major golf tournaments. It's first was the 1916 U.S. Open, which was won by Chick Evans and is largely credited as the birth of the Evans Scholarship. In 1927, Bobby Jones won the U.S. Amateur. In 1957 the club hosted the Walker Cup and most recently in 2017 it hosted the U.S. Senior Amateur.

The following photos are from Peter Wong's website (http://www.peterwongphotography.com/minikahda/):

The small target at the par-4 1st:

The par-3 3rd:

The green at the short par-4 5th:

The par-5 7th:

Looking through the trees at the par-3 8th:

The par-4 10th:
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The par-3 11th:

The rolling fairway at the 12th:

The par-5 13th:

The terrific green at the short par-4 17th:

A view of the Minneapolis skyline from the 18th green:

The stately clubhouse:
H.P.S.

Chris Tritabaugh

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Re: The Top 30 Courses in the Great State of Minnesota - #5 Now Posted
« Reply #166 on: January 17, 2018, 09:04:46 AM »

Sorry to regress to a previous course. Pat got Minikahda posted before I had the chance to reply. Minikahda BTW is the course in Minnesota, of which I've never worked, that I have played the most frequently. I love it!


When I arrived and had a chance to be on the course, I found it to have much more nuance than I anticipated from watching on TV and a couple rounds.


Thanks for chiming in Chris!  Is there a hole you have grown to appreciate more and more over time?




There are a number of holes I'd put in this category, but the one I'd say has grown on me the most is five. I do love the fairway and the opposite camber. Its the first hole where a long straight drive isn't necessarily the best play. Well, that's probably false, two is also that way. Then the approach shot, from any angle is a tough one due to the bunkering and the skinny nature of the green. The best play is often an approach hit a half club long allowing you to chip back uphill towards the hole. Five doesn't get much play on TV because it comes early in the round (championships). It probably did get a little more TV time in the Ryder Cup as the 14th. Also, people spectating don't see it often because its on the far end of the course and most don't walk down there. Its a hole that challenges on every shot.


I really enjoy setting up the course for tournaments and club events. The way many of the greens sit angled to the intended line of play, with a bunker at the back, offers some cool set up options. This fact makes them especially difficult when the greens are firm and balls skip, rather than stick. One really must control their distance on approach shots, especially coming from the rough, when you have little chance of holding the greens. The greens, as Jeff B mentioned have some great sections to them, which makes that aspect fun.


I'll be back with some further POVs on what I suspect will be one of the top 3.


Dan Kelly

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Re: The Top 30 Courses in the Great State of Minnesota - #5 Now Posted
« Reply #167 on: January 17, 2018, 01:13:50 PM »
In the 1970 Open, Tony Jacklin hit through the fairway and had to punch out of the trees from his knees and managed to save par. Was it a great hole? No, but it was not the abomination the lynch mob claimed it was. I thought it was a fun hole, and still prefer it to the relatively dull par-3 17th.


My memory (perhaps faulty, though it's usually not for things that distant in the past -- especially those that I witnessed with my own eyes) is that Jacklin punched it through the trees, running it between the twin water hazards up onto the green, and made the birdie putt.


As you know, I loved the original 17th. I wish they'd bring it back and play to a par 73.


After all, P.J. Boatwright is dead.
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Jason Topp

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Re: The Top 30 Courses in the Great State of Minnesota - #4 Now Posted
« Reply #168 on: January 17, 2018, 01:25:33 PM »

Every person who plays Minikahda has to experience the fear of the opening tee shot.  The parking lot is filled with nice cars parked right of the fairway.  As someone who has a right-by-right block as a regular part of his arsenal, there have been times that the parking lot seemed a more likely landing spot for my opening tee shot than the golf course.

Minikahda was my first exposure to a golden age course renovation and Ron Prichard's work opened my eyes to how much a course could be improved without eliminating its essential character. 


The only weak hole I can identify on the course is the 18th.  It is a straight 360 yard hole.  Every other hole has at least an interesting feature.  Some identify holes 15-17 across the street as weak.  I am sure I have done so at times.  Thinking more about it, I think that view is mistaken.  The land is less interesting over there than it is on the rest of the course but as I go through it each hole is beautiful, presents optional lines off the tee and has a very interesting green.  It is hard to see how such holes could be considered weak. 


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Jason Topp

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Re: The Top 30 Courses in the Great State of Minnesota - #4 Now Posted
« Reply #169 on: January 17, 2018, 01:32:15 PM »
One other interesting feature of the course: The 14th is a 476 yard par 5 from the white tees but a 461 yard par 4 from the blue tees.  I love that approach to holes of in-between length.


Here is the Blue Golf Photo-tour:


https://course.bluegolf.com/bluegolf/course/course/minikahdac/aerial.htm?next=tour.htm
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Dan Kelly

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Re: The Top 30 Courses in the Great State of Minnesota - #4 Now Posted
« Reply #170 on: January 17, 2018, 01:53:41 PM »
Some identify holes 15-17 across the street as weak.  I am sure I have done so at times.  Thinking more about it, I think that view is mistaken.  The land is less interesting over there than it is on the rest of the course but as I go through it each hole is beautiful, presents optional lines off the tee and has a very interesting green.  It is hard to see how such holes could be considered weak.


Jason --


Since playing in the state Senior Am a few years ago, I have pointed to No. 17 as a prime example of a hole that is easy ... until you make a mistake (left bunker off the tee, front bunker on the approach). Then it becomes a beast -- particularly in competition.


I learned that lesson by putting my approach into the front bunker in the first round and skulling my third onto Excelsior Boulevard. I have never been more nervous on a golf course than I was as I hit shot No. 4. Thankfully, it turned out fine and I made 6 -- rather than the feared 6 plus X.


In Round 2, I was more nervous than I should have been (I wasn't going to make the cut, anyway) over my short-iron to 17 -- which turned out great, leading to a very rare birdie.


Dan
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BHoover

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Re: The Top 30 Courses in the Great State of Minnesota - #4 Now Posted
« Reply #171 on: January 17, 2018, 02:14:40 PM »
I enjoy Minikahda very much. As a club, I think it and Windsong are the ones I would choose.


The photos of Minikahda are a bit misleading in the sense it looks like the trees come into play more than they really do. For the most part, unless you hit a wayward shot, I found the trees generally don’t come into play.


The really good holes at Minikahda are the 2nd, 6th, 8th, 9th, 13th, and 17th. The opening tee shot, as Jason stated, is really intimidating because you don’t want to be the one who fires a ball into the parking lot. I agree that the 18th is rather weak as a finishing hole, which is the only criticism I can find with the course.

Jim Franklin

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Re: The Top 30 Courses in the Great State of Minnesota - #4 Now Posted
« Reply #172 on: January 17, 2018, 02:19:44 PM »
I enjoy Minikahda very much. As a club, I think it and Windsong are the ones I would choose.


The photos of Minikahda are a bit misleading in the sense it looks like the trees come into play more than they really do. For the most part, unless you hit a wayward shot, I found the trees generally don’t come into play.


The really good holes at Minikahda are the 2nd, 6th, 8th, 9th, 13th, and 17th. The opening tee shot, as Jason stated, is really intimidating because you don’t want to be the one who fires a ball into the parking lot. I agree that the 18th is rather weak as a finishing hole, which is the only criticism I can find with the course.

I agree with this. I did not think the trees encroached on play quite as much as the pictures lead you to believe. And as a person with that right to right tee shot, the opening tee shot is just a bit intimidating. But I loved the course. 17th green site was my favorite.
Mr Hurricane

Dan Kelly

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Re: The Top 30 Courses in the Great State of Minnesota - #4 Now Posted
« Reply #173 on: January 17, 2018, 02:31:20 PM »
The really good holes at Minikahda are the 2nd, 6th, 8th, 9th, 13th, and 17th.


Brian --


This is interesting to me, as an indicator of how differently people see things -- and as one of many indicators of why, IMO, ranking courses is a bad idea. (Thread to follow, when this one concludes).


Ask me to list my favorite six holes at Minikahda, and the 6th, 8th and 13th don't make the list; 6 and 8 don't even come close. Mine are:


3rd


5th


9th


10th


11th


12th


FWIW.


Dan






 
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« Reply #174 on: January 17, 2018, 02:38:24 PM »
The really good holes at Minikahda are the 2nd, 6th, 8th, 9th, 13th, and 17th.

Brian --

This is interesting to me, as an indicator of how differently people see things -- and as one of many indicators of why, IMO, ranking courses is a bad idea. (Thread to follow, when this one concludes).

Ask me to list my favorite six holes at Minikahda, and the 6th, 8th and 13th don't make the list; 6 and 8 don't even come close. Mine are:

3rd

5th

9th

10th

11th

12th

FWIW.

Dan

Well, seeing as how you didn’t participate in the rankings, then it’s a moot point, right?
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