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David Davis

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Gavea Golf & Country Club - Rio de Janeiro (18 holes posted)
« on: November 06, 2017, 03:28:53 PM »
Gavea Golf & Country Club was original designed in 1926 by a young lesser known Scotsman named Arthur Davidson. Legend has it that none other than Stanley Thompson and Robert Trent Jones modified the course in the 30's.


In the shadow of the enormous rock structure Pedra de Gavea, one has to admit this is a crazy setting, like no other for a golf course to be located.


This is most certainly the kind of course that the typical Golden Age enthusiast from GCA will immediately love. If any of you have played it I'd be curious of your thoughts. Gavea was incredibly fortunate that one Gil Hanse was spending a lot of time locally building the Olympic Course. So lucky they managed to get him in to undergo a thoughtful renovation to improve an already wonderful and quirky course. I would suggest his changes so far have only served to improve and maximize the usage of the available land and features.


We played the back tees (blue tee) and my descriptions are from these.


1. Par 4 - 319 yds


As short as this hole is as equally quirky and narrow it is. What looks on the card to be a gentle opener was anything but that on our day with a solid 30 mph wind to spice up the quirkiness. This hole runs alongside the driving range on the right and is bordered by a wee burn on the left that doglegs with the hole. Hanse moved the green further into the corner right up against the burn so you must contend with it the entire hole.







The second picture is looking back toward the tee and clubhouse to show the burn which I didn't realize was there when on the tee.

















2. Par 3 - 204 yds


With the range on the right and the highway (that was built well after the course was here, on the left and the wind blowing hard into us from right to left, this hole played even harder than it looks. Oh and if it seems narrow in the photo, wait till you stand on the tee.












3. Par 5 - 485 yds


This very tricky par 5 requires an excellent drive either straight or faded in case you are a longer hitter. A long fade on a normal day can afford a chance to attempt to reach in two. Though I'm not sure how smart that would be given the difficulty of the green and the recovery options around it. On our day it was playing into the wind. The backdrop to me looks like something out of Close Encounters, although if you are familiar with Rio then I guess it's par for the course.





I failed to mention that left is OB.
















4. Par 3 - 178 yds


Delighted with the start this cracking hole was next up. Playing steeply up hill to a wonderful green. My playing companions who were all playing in a club stroke-play event suggested not to miss right or left, ha ha...a common theme the first few holes.







A green with a decent view and no easy way down. Check out the undulations and remember, it's blind from the tee. Cool stuff.












5. Par 4 - 405 yds


What goes up, must come down. This tee box I will admit is not one for people with vertigo. As I'm a huge fan of quirk I was naturally falling in love with Gavea at this juncture. Crazy hole this one. Don't forget the wind I mentioned. Hard left to right against us.







An up hill approach to a tough green with a false front. Don't forget it's Bermuda and it's sticky so you need to get it there.







This is the cool burn crossing the fairway.







I did mention it was in the shadow of...







6. Par 3 - 167 yds


Another hole requiring a precision shot in the wind, don't miss anywhere and especially don't miss long right. It was at this stage the first very good player in our group, carded a no return. He hit long and right and ended up dead in the water in the back bunker of number 3 stuck with no way to get out and not enough will to walk back to the tee after declaring it unplayable.




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Tom_Doak

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Re: Gavea Golf & Country Club - Rio de Janiero (6 holes posted)
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2017, 04:52:53 PM »
Did they keep the little extra par-3 between 5 and 6 that was left over from an older routing?  That was one of my favorite holes.

David Davis

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Re: Gavea Golf & Country Club - Rio de Janiero (6 holes posted)
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2017, 05:58:13 PM »
Did they keep the little extra par-3 between 5 and 6 that was left over from an older routing?  That was one of my favorite holes.


Tom, where was this at? That's not the hole I took a photo of? If not I have no idea where the hole you are talking about is at. No one mentioned anything like that and from 5 you just walk up that little hill in the back ground of my photo, to the left of the 5th green to get to 6 tee. That's a little par 3, isn't that the one you mean?



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Tom_Doak

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Re: Gavea Golf & Country Club - Rio de Janiero (6 holes posted)
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2017, 06:05:59 PM »
Did they keep the little extra par-3 between 5 and 6 that was left over from an older routing?  That was one of my favorite holes.


Tom, where was this at? That's not the hole I took a photo of? If not I have no idea where the hole you are talking about is at. No one mentioned anything like that and from 5 you just walk up that little hill in the back ground of my photo, to the left of the 5th green to get to 6 tee. That's a little par 3, isn't that the one you mean?


No, there was a par-3 playing up the little valley between 5 green and 6 tee.  It was only 125 yards or so, but a lovely setting.  The green was fairly close to #7 fairway on its right side, so it was a bit dangerous if the course was busy.  It was a leftover from the original routing, before the highway, and before the two opening holes were combined into today's #3.

David Davis

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Re: Gavea Golf & Country Club - Rio de Janiero (6 holes posted)
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2017, 06:19:36 PM »
Did they keep the little extra par-3 between 5 and 6 that was left over from an older routing?  That was one of my favorite holes.


Tom, where was this at? That's not the hole I took a photo of? If not I have no idea where the hole you are talking about is at. No one mentioned anything like that and from 5 you just walk up that little hill in the back ground of my photo, to the left of the 5th green to get to 6 tee. That's a little par 3, isn't that the one you mean?


No, there was a par-3 playing up the little valley between 5 green and 6 tee.  It was only 125 yards or so, but a lovely setting.  The green was fairly close to #7 fairway on its right side, so it was a bit dangerous if the course was busy.  It was a leftover from the original routing, before the highway, and before the two opening holes were combined into today's #3.


It might well have been there still. However the guys that hosted me were playing in this stroke play event so they had a really serious round going and might of forgotten to mention this. I didn't notice it on my own.
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Re: Gavea Golf & Country Club - Rio de Janiero (6 holes posted)
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2017, 08:25:30 PM »
David,


Google Earth still shows the hole Tom mentions as of October 2016.  My guess is that it no longer exists as it would seem impossible for you to have missed it walking from 5 green to 6 tee.


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Re: Gavea Golf & Country Club - Rio de Janiero (6 holes posted)
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2017, 08:36:28 PM »
This was the site of the first Shell's WWOG match. Casper vs. Mario Gonzalez (1961).

David Davis

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Re: Gavea Golf & Country Club - Rio de Janiero (6 holes posted)
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2017, 05:57:40 AM »
David,


Google Earth still shows the hole Tom mentions as of October 2016.  My guess is that it no longer exists as it would seem impossible for you to have missed it walking from 5 green to 6 tee.


Tyler


Tyler,


Good call, but guess what. I was just looking at Google Maps and I think it's very possible to miss this hole and that I actually did miss it.


Here's why. The course is a pretty serious walk with some solid elevation changes. It was like 85 degrees and fairly humid, when we finished that hole the caddies and I started walking up that hill but I was called down from one of my hosts and they said come this way. We walked to a kind of snack shack that was left of the hill, front left of the green but off in the trees and kind of invisible from the green and the hill. I think they may have walked me "around" the hole without noticing it. It would of been covered away, kind of separated from the rest.


When we came out of the tree and drink area we were at the tee box to 6 which is kind of below the hole Tom mentioned. I was focused on the next hole and not thinking I could be missing something somewhere.


It look like you can see it from the 7th fairway as well but what you don't see is that the 7th fairway is much lower than the left/right side so you don't see anything there. I just missed it not knowing it was there and it wasn't mentioned either I'm sure because these guys were playing in the stroke play event.


I can't imagine Gil moved that.
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Tom_Doak

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Re: Gavea Golf & Country Club - Rio de Janiero (6 holes posted)
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2017, 06:01:36 AM »
Gil's work was before 2016 so if the hole was still there at that time, I suspect it is today.

MClutterbuck

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Re: Gavea Golf & Country Club - Rio de Janiero (6 holes posted)
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2017, 08:45:05 AM »
This was the site of the first Shell's WWOG match. Casper vs. Mario Gonzalez (1961).


This was the site of Gary Player´s 59. Possibly the first championship 59?

MClutterbuck

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Re: Gavea Golf & Country Club - Rio de Janiero (6 holes posted)
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2017, 08:53:51 AM »

Jim Nugent

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Re: Gavea Golf & Country Club - Rio de Janiero (6 holes posted)
« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2017, 08:58:38 AM »

This was the site of Gary Player´s 59.

Which included one bogey. 

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Re: Gavea Golf & Country Club - Rio de Janiero (6 holes posted)
« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2017, 09:08:34 AM »

This was the site of Gary Player´s 59.

Which included one bogey.


And a par 69 course...

Andy Stamm

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Re: Gavea Golf & Country Club - Rio de Janiero (6 holes posted)
« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2017, 09:35:17 AM »
This was the site of the first Shell's WWOG match. Casper vs. Mario Gonzalez (1961).


Gavea was in the first year (1962) but wasn't the first. Pine Valley was the first filmed, and Wentworth was the first televised.

David Davis

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Re: Gavea Golf & Country Club - Rio de Janiero (6 holes posted)
« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2017, 10:10:57 AM »

This was the site of Gary Player´s 59.

Which included one bogey.



And a par 69 course...




Still an amazing score back in the day on this course. There is a lot that can go wrong very easily without too big of a miss. Only takes a bad bounce on a near miss and a score like that you could forget about. A 3 on #3 if it was the same hole then is very impressive to me, especially with that green.
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Re: Gavea Golf & Country Club - Rio de Janiero (6 holes posted)
« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2017, 11:17:06 AM »
David:


Thanks for posting; not often on GCA you see something different, and this is. Lots of unconventional and unusual stuff here. Looking forward to the rest of the course tour.

David Davis

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Re: Gavea Golf & Country Club - Rio de Janiero (6 holes posted)
« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2017, 03:46:24 PM »
7. Par 4 - 329 yds


#1 handicap hole playing steep up hill and straight into the wind. I'd say it played at least 100 yds longer on our day.


OB left and and long from the green.








8. Par 3 - 186 yds


Tough to judge this medium length drop shot par 3. Wind behind off the right for us. Apologies for the photo. I took other ones but they didn't turn out. My host snapped this one without my knowledge. Notice the wee burn just short. One of Hanse's changes was on this hole as there was a pond short but I guess it looked rather artificial.







9. Par 5 - 486 yds


This one is reachable, especially on our day. Dogleg left and bringing you back down to sea level and back to the club house. It's possible to cut the corner big time which I did by accident. Always better lucky than good.





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Re: Gavea Golf & Country Club - Rio de Janiero (6 holes posted)
« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2017, 03:58:09 PM »
10. Par 3 - 163 yds


After the 9th you walk past the club house and then out the front gate like you re leaving, then across a road with armed guards on both sides protecting the entrances due to the fact that Rio is not the safest place in the world and there is a favela (slum) just up the road that houses about 250,000 people including some serious gangs. 2 tourists were shot the day before. Then you walk under the highway to a portion of the course that would best be classified as links style and borders the beach.


This medium length par 3 played tough on our day. There is water short and left which normally is only in play for bad misses I would say but on our day 2 of my playing partners found it due to the wind being hard from right to left against us. A well struck 4 iron was required with the wind.







11. Par 4 - 340 yds


This holes is an excellent short 4. The drive looks very intimidating but a 3 wood cleared the water by 50 yds. The trick was to get the tee shot to the left of the fairway as this green is very small and best approached from the left side.








This green was one that Hanse moved all the way to the right up against the outer wall. A tricky hole on a windless day.




12. Par 4 - 359 yds

Another short 4 heading out in the same direction slight dogleg right. A fairly tight drive with tough green to approach.


Approach is to a very narrow green heavily bunkered on the left back right side.



13. Par 5 - 473 yds


A reachable par 5 with a slight dogleg left. A solid drive center to left side taking on the waste area will allow for a shot at this green in two, though not into the wind on our day. The left side of the green and even landing area for the 2nd shot is bordered by the water.





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Re: Gavea Golf & Country Club - Rio de Janeiro (12 holes posted)
« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2017, 10:56:14 AM »
Ok, I'm bumping this, anyone check out the 2nd 6 holes? thoughts?
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Re: Gavea Golf & Country Club - Rio de Janeiro (12 holes posted)
« Reply #19 on: November 08, 2017, 02:23:21 PM »
I'm enjoying!


Strangely enough, short of the towering mountain above and the vegetation, this reminds me of rocky, quirky, courses we have around Boston that are now hemmed in by suburbia and city.  All I need is the T running along the outer wall and I'd be right at home.
So I jump ship in Hong Kong....

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Re: Gavea Golf & Country Club - Rio de Janeiro (12 holes posted)
« Reply #20 on: November 09, 2017, 06:37:49 PM »
Got to spend a few days at the club when down during the Olympic Course construction.

Played there on a Sunday, thought the front nine was killer from 3rd to 9th.
Btw, there are some serious snakes in the pond on the 8th.

I actually worked on finishing the 4th green site with Gil
Listened to gunfire all day, thought it was fireworks ... then was clued in by Super.
I have a maintenance staff t-shirt from the club (worked hard enough?)

One Wednesday morning the club and Gil arranged a quiet one on one breakfast with Mario Gonzalez (amazing experience). We actually talked about Stanley Thompson, which was pretty wild.

I do have some old images if people are interested. Tom has stated in the past that while involved, it was limited. I do know he was heading there when he died.

17th is supposed to be his ...
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Re: Gavea Golf & Country Club - Rio de Janiero (6 holes posted)
« Reply #21 on: November 09, 2017, 06:44:27 PM »
Did they keep the little extra par-3 between 5 and 6 that was left over from an older routing?  That was one of my favorite holes.

This it Tom?


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Re: Gavea Golf & Country Club - Rio de Janeiro (12 holes posted)
« Reply #22 on: November 09, 2017, 06:47:24 PM »
Gavea in 1937

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Re: Gavea Golf & Country Club - Rio de Janeiro (12 holes posted)
« Reply #23 on: November 12, 2017, 04:28:20 PM »
Those are great posts Ian! Thanks for contributing them!
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Re: Gavea Golf & Country Club - Rio de Janiero (6 holes posted)
« Reply #24 on: November 15, 2017, 08:58:29 PM »
Did they keep the little extra par-3 between 5 and 6 that was left over from an older routing?  That was one of my favorite holes.

This it Tom?





Ian:  no, I think that's the tee shot at the ninth, from up the hill in the woods behind 8 green.  It was a cool path to get up there; there was a very large iguana on the path, and my hosts explained that the neighbors from the favela will "fish" for them with a baited line for food.