[Ronald Montesano]

Chris put a piece together that Ran had hoped I would write years ago. I never got around to it, but it was written by better hands. Here is a link:


https://www.nysga.org/communications-news/ross-in-new-york

[MCirba]

Always enjoy reading Chris's work.  Thanks for sharing, Ron.

[Chris Buie]

Thanks Ron and Mike!
This piece needs a bit of editing. But, I do like the Glens Falls anecdote.

[Ian Andrew]

I too enjoyed the piece.


That was new news to me on Quogue, I had never seen anything mentioning his visit.
Other mentions are clear on the scope of their work, so I'm at a loss on that one.



Not sure what remains at Ardsley CC since quite a few renovations have taken place.
It's hard to get by the last Ken Dye bunker renovation and be able to understand what came before.
Might be one of the best clubhouses I have seen .... for what that's worth.

[MCirba]

Chris,

For the record, it was our own Joe Bausch who proved that Donald Ross designed the first 9 holes at North Fork a few years back on this thread.   

http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,61523.msg1461189.html#msg1461189

[Chris Buie]

Joe Bausch does terrific work!
Here's some additional material that might interest some of you.
The first two pieces are from the Metropolitan Club Managers Association





The Quogue articles are from Benjamin Litman
The County Review November 18 1926 Page 6

[Ed Homsey]

As a Rochesterian, I am rather proud of our city's place in the world of golf.  Pinehurst North?  Not bad.  In fact, Chris could have added another 18 Ross holes by including Brooklea Country Club in the list of Rochester Ross courses.  Don't think we can include the Durand-Eastman 9 that Ross supposedly designed in 1918.  The nine hole map of that original course bears little to no resemblance to the current course.  So, if Ross created the design for that original 9-hole course, it NLE.


The 9 holes that Ross designed at Thendara are a favorite of mine, for sheer fun.  Love those cop bunkers that remain there.

[MCirba]

Great stuff, Chris...thanks for sharing!

[Sven Nilsen]

So the Quogue reference is not to the Quogue course we know, but a project near the town of Quogue.  If you're making any updates, you may want to clarify that in the article.

Add in Grover Cleveland, which Ross worked on when it was the old CC of Buffalo course.

[Sven Nilsen]

I'd also add in Wanakah - http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,36687.0.html

[Ian Andrew]

Chris,


RE; Quogue
That piece talks about a project separate from the Field Club

[Ronald Montesano]

I'd also add in Wanakah - http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,36687.0.html

Chris Wilczynski
       https://asgca.org/architect/cwilczynski/
       http://cwgolfarch.com/about_CW.html


is currently working on the restoration at Wanakah. I am confident that he has eliminated Ross from the argument, with all signs pointing to William "Willie" Watson. Don't know that Ross was involved, despite what is found in the Buffalo Commercial.

[Sven Nilsen]

Ron:

There is no doubt that Watson was involved, but all signs point to his work taking place later.

Here's a brief synopsis of both courses at Wanakah (if there's more to add to the story I'd love to see it):

First Course (opened sometime in 1901 or before, Arch. Unknown)

1902 SOGG Directory of Golf Clubs notes a 9 hole course. 

1905 SOGG notes a 9 hole 2,985 yard course with plans to extend to 18 holes in the future. 

1907 SOGG notes plans to extend present 9 hole course to 18 holes with purchase of 200 acres surrounding the clubhouse with John Harrison as professional. 

April 1915 Golfers Magazine notes Wanakah GC passed out of existence in 1912 and grounds were taken over by Wanakah CC, a new organization which built a new course.

Second Course

May 29, 1913 The Buffalo Commercial notes work on the course under the direction laid out by Donald Ross. 

July 6, 1913 Cincinnati Enquirer notes recent activities of Donald Ross. 

1914 SOGG notes course increased from 9 to 18 holes on newly purchased land and alterations made to the existing 9 holes. 

May 4, 1919 The Arizona Republican notes Watson to rearrange the course. 

June 1919 Golfers Magazine notes course remodeled by Watson. 

June 22, 1919 Sunday Oregonian notes Watson remodeled the course making it modern and of championship caliber. 

May 23, 1924 Buffalo Evening News notes course to be remodeled and increased to 6,440 yards using newly purchased grounds with William Watson as architect. 

Undated 1925 Buffalo Express article notes opening of new 18 hole course which is the work of William Watson. 

Oct. 1925 Golf Illustrated notes new 18 hole course.

[Chris Buie]

Ed it is rightful you're proud of Rochester golf. It is extremely impressive by any standard. There's a bunch of courses there but it was the very close proximity of that handful that reminded me of Pinehurst.
Regarding Durand-Eastman, since there's multiple articles about Ross's work there I'm pretty certain he did a course - 9 holes, I think. If I remember correctly RTJ came in during the Depression.
Quogue - yep that's a bungle! The book just quotes the 1926 article - nothing more. The church pews there stood out in my mind and I forgot how intricate the whole story is. The extended focus that went into the book has essentially moved onto other things.
As it says in the bio, the list of courses will most definitely shift as time goes on and more things are discovered. Sven's already identified some since he vetted the book.

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