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Jeff Schley

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« Reply #25 on: May 11, 2018, 08:13:17 AM »
Would like to see this implemented in a respectful way, where the players can actually take it without complaining (although I'm sure the first 10 guys penalized will).  This will then set a precedent for speeding up recreational play with rangers who are there to encourage average timed played, not fast play, average.  To me rangers on public courses are the key in addition to not pushing tee times down to 7 minute intervals for maximum revenue.
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Pete_Pittock

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Re: Shotclock on the European Tour - Coming June 2018
« Reply #26 on: June 06, 2018, 03:55:36 PM »

This week. Europeam Tour. The Austrian Shot Clock Masters.








  • Its another week of innovation on the European Tour as Diamond Country Club in Austria hosts the inaugural Shot Clock Masters.
1. Make it quick: The Shot Clock Masters makes history this week as the first tournament in professional golf to use a shot clock on every shot as part of the European Tour’s bid to combat slow play. The official European Tour shot time allowances will be in force: a 50 second allowance for a “first to play approach shot (including a par three tee shot), chip or putt” and a 40-second allowance for a “tee shot on a par four or par five, or second or third to play approach shot, chip or putt”.
2  How it works.Eve ry player will be timed on every shot, andon each occasion that a player fails to hit his shot within the time limits, a one-shot penalty will be added to his score for that hole.  However, each player can call for a “time-extension” up to twice in any one round, allowing a further 40 seconds over and above the above allowances to play the shot in question.
3. The technology: A digital clock mounted on a buggy will travel with each group and will be accompanied by a referee who will be responsible for operating the clock and determining when to start the clock for each shot. The clock will be controlled by an iPad using a bespoke app.
Lets see it he after comments are as good as these







Matthias Schwab
"Really anything that improves pace of play is great for the game. I see myself as a relatively fast player so I don't think I'll have too many issues with the new format. It's great for me that they are testing it here in Austria. I know the course fairly well so I'm sure that's a little bit of an advantage for me and it will be a fun week. I'm sure the organisers and the European Tour have thought it through and there's a reason why they picked this tournament. For me it's great, I know the course well, I've played here a lot of times. I don't see myself having too many troubles with the shot clock. It will be fun for sure."
Nino Bertasio
"I'm looking forward to it a lot to be honest. I'm not a slow player. It's going to be good to see, it's going to be interesting to see and I know they are going to give us a little practice in the pro am so I'm looking forward to it. To be honest, once you are prepared, 40 seconds - or 50 seconds if you are first - is quite a bit. But you know if you get a windy day or something pulls you off it can go by very quickly, so I don't know, we'll see."
Miguel Ángel Jiménez
"It's nice to see a different format, to see how we are with the timings. I think it will be very interesting to see how we can deal with that. When I first turned pro I didn't think I would see a tournament like this. They have improved different elements of the game the last few years and trying to make something different, try to see how much we can improve the show. We are here for that and to show our skills, it's nice."



Wu Ashun
"I think the idea of the shot clock is very good and will help many players to play a bit quickly. That helps the game and the tournament. With this rule you have to get ready, you have to be thinking the right way because you don't have much time to think. You have to talk with your caddie and make good decisions with clubs and yardage. It's good I think."


Nicolas Colsaerts
"I'm very much looking forward to it. I think the debate has been on the table for a long time now about trying to speed up play somehow so I'm quite curious to see if this format will make a difference. I tend to think that I'm always early enough not to be bothered by any sort of clock whatsoever but I'm sure it will be in the back of the mind of a few players. Most of the time you think that 40 or 50 seconds is a long time, or enough time actually to pull the trigger and hit a shot but on some occasions you will come quite close to it. I think it's just a matter of being ready on time and just be aware of what's going on in a group and be aware when it's your time to go."Søren Kjeldsen
"It's going to be very interesting and has gathered the attention of the golfing world. It will be really interesting to see how it all pans out, how much time we save and the slower players if they will be under more stress. I'm really looking forward to it. Regards to the time extensions, I think it's important to look at it that it shouldn't really be necessary. I think it's okay that they are in there if you get into an extraordinary situation but I think, as an overall rule, you should play within the 50 or the 40 seconds. If you've got some crazy shot with a tree in the way or something you might take a little bit longer but the whole idea is that we stay under the time limit."






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jeffwarne

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Re: Shotclock on the European Tour - Coming June 2018
« Reply #27 on: June 07, 2018, 04:19:05 PM »
I think it's a great idea.
The only tricky part is when to start the clock.


I can think of situations where you've hit the short drive and the guy in front goes up ahead to start his calculations and makes practice swings in your peripheral vision and puts you off.
Do you get a clock restart when this happens as it is quite common -something that rarely used to happen (obviously I'm getting shorter ;D )
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Pete_Pittock

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Re: Shotclock on the European Tour - Coming June 2018
« Reply #28 on: June 07, 2018, 04:24:28 PM »
I think it's a great idea.
The only tricky part is when to start the clock.


I can think of situations where you've hit the short drive and the guy in front goes up ahead to start his calculations and makes practice swings in your peripheral vision and puts you off.
Do you get a clock restart when this happens as it is quite common -something that rarely used to happen (obviously I'm getting shorter ;D )

There is a referee with each group. The referee is responsible for start/stop of clock.  I would guess that there would be a referee meeting where proper timing is taught.

James Reader

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Re: Shotclock on the European Tour - Coming June 2018
« Reply #29 on: June 07, 2018, 05:57:32 PM »

Seems like there’s been a really positive reaction from the players after the first round - lots of 3 balls round in less than 4 hours and the scoring better than last year as well.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/golf/44405301


Be great if this was widely adopted across all the tours (a tweet from Billy Horschel suggests at least one person wants to see it on the PGA Tour).

Pete_Pittock

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Re: Shotclock on the European Tour - Coming June 2018
« Reply #30 on: June 07, 2018, 07:25:14 PM »
Seems like there’s been a really positive reaction from the players after the first round - lots of 3 balls round in less than 4 hours and the scoring better than last year as well.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/golf/44405301
Be great if this was widely adopted across all the tours (a tweet from Billy Horschel suggests at least one person wants to see it on the PGA Tour).



If that happens it would likely, just as this event, on the week of, before or after a major.  But they'll likely try it out on a web.com event

Mark Pearce

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Re: Shotclock on the European Tour - Coming June 2018
« Reply #31 on: June 08, 2018, 02:32:21 AM »

Seems like there’s been a really positive reaction from the players after the first round - lots of 3 balls round in less than 4 hours and the scoring better than last year as well.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/golf/44405301


Be great if this was widely adopted across all the tours (a tweet from Billy Horschel suggests at least one person wants to see it on the PGA Tour).
Who would have thought it?  Playing quicker can mean playing better?  This shouldn't be an occasional event.  All they are doing is ensuring players comply with the rules.  This should be how golf is every week on tour, at least until the idea of a 2-ball taking five and a half is a distant memory of the way golf was at its worst.
In June I will be riding the first three stages of this year's Tour de France route for charity.  630km (394 miles) in three days, with 7800m (25,600 feet) of climbing for the William Wates Memorial Trust (https://rideleloop.org/the-charity/) which supports underprivileged young people.

Niall C

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Re: Shotclock on the European Tour - Coming June 2018
« Reply #32 on: June 08, 2018, 05:23:29 AM »
There was a quote from Jiminez along the lines that having completed the round under 4 hours how he couldn't recall doing that before !!!

Niall

Kyle Harris

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Re: Shotclock on the European Tour - Coming June 2018
« Reply #33 on: June 08, 2018, 05:39:40 AM »
Now it’s even funnier...


I asked because the US bashing is so quick from our Brit friends. I’m happy to see a swing and a miss on this one.


Yes, quite the LBW that one!
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Constantly blamed by 8-handicaps for their 7 missed 12-footers each round.

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Marc Haring

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Re: Shotclock on the European Tour - Coming June 2018
« Reply #34 on: June 09, 2018, 09:11:39 AM »
Have to say this is working really well. Hardly any violations and good scoring on a F&F course. I think this could work on a broader scale. Like watching pro golf in the seventies minus Nicklaus.
« Last Edit: June 09, 2018, 09:15:06 AM by Marc Haring »

Mark Pearce

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Re: Shotclock on the European Tour - Coming June 2018
« Reply #35 on: June 09, 2018, 06:58:08 PM »
The really interesting thing is that most shots are being played with the best part of 30 seconds left on the clock.  The difference in pace of play is immediately noticeable and, importantly, it's so much more watchable than most weeks on the European Tour of the PGA Tour.
In June I will be riding the first three stages of this year's Tour de France route for charity.  630km (394 miles) in three days, with 7800m (25,600 feet) of climbing for the William Wates Memorial Trust (https://rideleloop.org/the-charity/) which supports underprivileged young people.

Jim Nugent

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Re: Shotclock on the European Tour - Coming June 2018
« Reply #36 on: June 10, 2018, 08:06:39 AM »
I think this could work on a broader scale. Like watching pro golf in the seventies minus Nicklaus.
I wonder how Jack would have played under a rule like this?  Would golf have lost one of its most famous legends?   

Marc Haring

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Re: Shotclock on the European Tour - Coming June 2018
« Reply #37 on: June 11, 2018, 02:42:36 AM »
DJ said in his winning St Jude interview that he loved the format. He noted that the Guys were playing a round in 50 minutes less time and said they should be doing that all the time. Obviously it's something that won't bother him but maybe Jason "takes all" Day, or Spieth would have a problem and as for the J B Holmes depacle at Torry Pines or the Kevin Na one minute twenty second tap in!

James Reader

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Re: Shotclock on the European Tour - Coming June 2018
« Reply #38 on: June 11, 2018, 10:28:11 AM »
As a trial of a new idea I think everyone would have to agree that it worked extremely well - barely a dissenting voice; only a handful of penalties; more than 30 minutes off the average round.


Let’s hope the powers that be recognise it was a huge success, has proven to address slow play with no real downside, and we see it adopted universally across the tours soon.


(OK, I’m being optimistic i know!)

Kalen Braley

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Re: Shotclock on the European Tour - Coming June 2018
« Reply #39 on: June 11, 2018, 11:35:52 AM »
Sounds like this was a big win right out of the gate, nice work.  Love the idea of using a cart to follow the groups around....brilliant. Will be interesting to see if they make any allowances on windy days when guys are usually a lot more indecisive.


P.S.  30 - 40 minutes is a huge time savings to boot!

Niall C

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Re: Shotclock on the European Tour - Coming June 2018
« Reply #40 on: June 14, 2018, 07:29:18 AM »
I've got to think the tour organisers will love this, as will the media and I bet they wish they had done it years ago. The on-course spectators will surely love it as well as they don't have to watch a player stand over the ball and then make to hit it and then stand back and repeat that performance again and again.

I wonder though what players will benefit and which won't ? I think it might be too easy to say the likes of Speith, Thomas and Day might suffer. I suspect some of them might end up playing better because they don't over analyse and just get on and hit it. Time will tell.

Niall

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