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Eric Hammerbacher

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Links at Perry Cabin?
« on: October 17, 2017, 09:02:12 PM »
Anyone have any info on the new Pete Dye course , The Links at Perry Cabin, opening next spring in St. Michaels, Maryland.  In the promo video they say the 16th-18th holes will be an exact replica of 16-18 at TPC Sawgrass, including the island green 17th.   ???  Also, it sure looked like a lot of trees lining those fairways...wonder where the water views are?

Also I imagine traveling over the bay bridge to play on a summer weekend would be a nightmare.
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Adam_Messix

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Re: Links at Perry Cabin?
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2017, 09:29:23 PM »
Eric--


This is the old Harbortowne Resort that Pete did with Andy Dye in the late 1960s under the original name of Martingham C. C.  I am unsure if they have enough room to do a full 1990s-2000s version Dye like Bulle Rock.  It will be interesting to see how it turns out.

Tommy Williamsen

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Re: Links at Perry Cabin?
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2017, 09:35:09 PM »
Pete had built one of his first designs on the same site. It was called by a couple of different names: Martingham and Harbourtown. It was a quirky little course but fun to play. The new course is over the same land. I'll be interested to see what he has done with the site.
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Tom_Doak

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Re: Links at Perry Cabin?
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2017, 03:51:21 PM »
I turned down this job a few years ago, not really wanting to take on the redesign of one of my mentor's courses. Even though he probably would have thought that was silly.

Bernie Bell

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Re: Links at Perry Cabin?
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2019, 12:37:09 PM »
The new course is getting some attention on social media.  Any thoughts here?

MCirba

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Re: Links at Perry Cabin?
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2019, 01:02:47 PM »
Curious if the routing is mostly the same as the original course?
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David_Tepper

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Re: Links at Perry Cabin?
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2019, 01:07:37 PM »

Bernie Bell

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Bernie Bell

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Re: Links at Perry Cabin?
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2019, 05:02:47 PM »
"Nothing of the former design remains. “The only thing left from the other course is the dirt,” says PB."
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https://www.golfcoursearchitecture.net/content/links-at-perry-cabin-pete-dyes-final-act

MCirba

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Re: Links at Perry Cabin?
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2019, 09:30:38 PM »
Anyone played there yet?
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Jim Franklin

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Re: Links at Perry Cabin?
« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2019, 08:25:12 AM »
I played it at end of August. It is roughly over the same land. Conditions, like a lot of the mid-Atlantic, were a little rough. Finish was different. Island par 3 17th and cape hole 18th with a pretty good green. They are putting money into club. There are 8 or so trackman hitting stalls in the clubhouse.
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MCirba

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Re: Links at Perry Cabin?
« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2019, 09:39:45 AM »
I played it at end of August. It is roughly over the same land. Conditions, like a lot of the mid-Atlantic, were a little rough. Finish was different. Island par 3 17th and cape hole 18th with a pretty good green. They are putting money into club. There are 8 or so trackman hitting stalls in the clubhouse.


Jim,


Thanks. Is the routing basically the same? I ask because I know how narrow that land is and I can't imagine them doing much more than changing the internal features of the original holes with the exception of what you mentioned about the Finish.
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Mark_Fine

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Re: Links at Perry Cabin?
« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2019, 04:30:28 PM »
The Links at Perry Cabin is what I would call a toned down Pete Dye design (the last course he supposedly did although it was a redesign).  It plays through a housing development but the homes are well set back and do not influence play.  The course has Pete's distinctive shaping and even includes his original trademark wooden sleepers which he mostly abandoned later in his career.  There are some very good holes with interesting green undulations (there is even a Biarritz par three).  Quite a few of the greenside bunkers are set back from the greens which surprised me.  In some ways they are more penal (especially for weaker golfers) than if they were tucked tightly to the green surfaces.  Good players won't find many of them.  There are some fun short/drivable par fours.  With the exception of #18 which is a difficult cape hole with water up the entire right side and #17 (if you don't like island greens this one is a reverse replica of #17 at TPC Sawgrass), the course is eminently playable and fun for all levels of golfers.  It didn't wow me but I enjoyed it though I wouldn't call it a masterpiece as touted in the course's marketing.  A Doak 6. 

Jim Franklin

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Re: Links at Perry Cabin?
« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2019, 09:48:52 AM »
I played it at end of August. It is roughly over the same land. Conditions, like a lot of the mid-Atlantic, were a little rough. Finish was different. Island par 3 17th and cape hole 18th with a pretty good green. They are putting money into club. There are 8 or so trackman hitting stalls in the clubhouse.


Jim,


Thanks. Is the routing basically the same? I ask because I know how narrow that land is and I can't imagine them doing much more than changing the internal features of the original holes with the exception of what you mentioned about the Finish.

From what I recall about my initial playing of Harbourtown (always hated how they spelled it), the routing was very similar. The course is definitely an improvement.
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MCirba

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Re: Links at Perry Cabin?
« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2019, 11:28:53 AM »
Thanks, Jim.  I need to get down and see it.
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Bill Shotzbarger

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Re: Links at Perry Cabin?
« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2020, 02:29:34 PM »
I played the Links at Perry Cabin in St. Michaels over the weekend.  I really enjoyed the course.The first thing that struck me was the quality of the playing surfaces.  I don't know what type of grass the greens are, but they were extremely true and healthy.  It was cart path only after a severe storm the day before, but the greens were hardly dented by any high approach shots.  The grass was certainly not bent nor typical Bermuda grass.  The entire course was in amazing shape, especially considering recent weather.This is the first green.  A huge swale bisects the green almost right at the midpoint.  Obviously short right was not a good shot to this back right hole location.  Welcome to a Pete Dye course, I guess.

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None of the par fives are overly long.  This is the sixth hole which is <500 yards from the blue tees.  There is a very cool Alpsy feature that blocks the view of the entire green from the preferred angle in the right side of the fairway.

Immediately following that is a Biarritz par 3 that is partially over water.  Not the 9th at Yale, but it will certainly do.  The center portion is pinnable and provides some exciting options for trying to score.


The closing holes 16-18 are quite the nod to TPC Sawgrass.  16 is a short par 4 played to a peninsula green.  It has a centerline bunker ~250 yards from the tee.

17 is a short par 3 to an island green.  It looks exactly like the 17th at Sawgrass.


Finally, 18 is a cape hole, but doglegs right instead of left.  The first hole is directly down the right side of the hazard and is therefore internal out of bounds.  The 18th green is huge with some interesting hole location options.

Mark's comment above about the greenside bunkers set back from the greens is true.  (I was not in one bunker all day.  Part of that could be because the fairways and rough were soaked from the recent storm.)  But it does make the course less penal than you might expect for a Dye design.

My only exposure to golf on the Eastern Shore of Maryland is playing River Marsh Golf Club (the Hyatt course in Cambridge) once and driving past Hog Neck in Easton dozens of times.  I think Perry Cabin blows both of those out of the water.   

I played it as a member for a day which was $135 with a cart on a weekend morning.  There is no clubhouse; just a pro shop with several simulators.  For that reason, I cannot see it succeeding as a typical private club or relying totally on hotel guest play.  I think semi-private is definitely the way for them to draw in needed revenue.
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Joe Bausch

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Re: Links at Perry Cabin?
« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2020, 02:43:16 PM »
I played there in December of 2019.  If you would like a photo tour for an off-season visit, I think this album is pretty good:

http://www80.homepage.villanova.edu/joseph.bausch/images/albums/LinksPerryCabin/index.html
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Bill Shotzbarger

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Re: Links at Perry Cabin?
« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2020, 02:50:25 PM »
Pics:


1st green:





6th fairway:





7th hole:









17th hole:


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Bill Shotzbarger

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Re: Links at Perry Cabin?
« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2020, 02:57:59 PM »
I played there in December of 2019.  If you would like a photo tour for an off-season visit, I think this album is pretty good:

http://www80.homepage.villanova.edu/joseph.bausch/images/albums/LinksPerryCabin/index.html


Joe, I think I first looked at your tour back in December and then against last week before I played.  Thanks for sharing.  Also, I definitely had some trouble with my clickable pictures—but I finally figured it out thanks to your post many years ago which I had bookmarked.

Tim Gavrich

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Re: Links at Perry Cabin?
« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2020, 04:17:28 PM »
Glad to hear the place has rounded into such good shape. They had a horrible first season weather-wise for growing grass once the course was redesigned. I was there in October 2018 and while the greens were good, the fairways still had some catching up to do. Good to hear that's happened because it's a fine course and a superb little hotel (Inn at Perry Cabin).
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Anthony_Nysse

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Re: Links at Perry Cabin?
« Reply #20 on: June 23, 2020, 04:19:26 PM »
I played the Links at Perry Cabin in St. Michaels over the weekend.  I really enjoyed the course.The first thing that struck me was the quality of the playing surfaces.  I don't know what type of grass the greens are, but they were extremely true and healthy.  It was cart path only after a severe storm the day before, but the greens were hardly dented by any high approach shots.  The grass was certainly not bent nor typical Bermuda grass.  The entire course was in amazing shape, especially considering recent weather.This is the first green.  A huge swale bisects the green almost right at the midpoint.  Obviously short right was not a good shot to this back right hole location.  Welcome to a Pete Dye course, I guess.




The greens are A1/A4. The  fairways are pureforemance bentgrass & the tees are 007.
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Matt Kardash

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Re: Links at Perry Cabin?
« Reply #21 on: June 23, 2020, 07:55:01 PM »
Is this actually a PETE Dye course? I would wager he stepped on this property not more than once. My feeling.
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Bernie Bell

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Re: Links at Perry Cabin?
« Reply #22 on: June 23, 2020, 08:49:58 PM »
Is this actually a PETE Dye course? I would wager he stepped on this property not more than once. My feeling.

Matt, see articles linked at Reply 7 and 8. 

Matt Kardash

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Re: Links at Perry Cabin?
« Reply #23 on: June 23, 2020, 09:23:42 PM »
Is this actually a PETE Dye course? I would wager he stepped on this property not more than once. My feeling.

Matt, see articles linked at Reply 7 and 8.
Npt surprised. Just by looking at it in photos I could see it was done by one of his son's.
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Anthony_Nysse

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Re: Links at Perry Cabin?
« Reply #24 on: June 24, 2020, 05:19:46 AM »
Is this actually a PETE Dye course? I would wager he stepped on this property not more than once. My feeling.

Matt, see articles linked at Reply 7 and 8.
Npt surprised. Just by looking at it in photos I could see it was done by one of his son's.



Pete was there more times than other courses that he lent his name to. He was visiting LPC during our renovation at Old Marsh. He visited Old Marsh 4-5x from start to finish, along with 3-4x during the planning process. He was instrumental in the direction to raise the golf course.
Anthony J. Nysse
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