[Ryan Hillenbrand]

when visiting reykjavik the belt notchers often just play keilir thereby missing the sublime 12 hole brautarholt


don't be a dumb azz#

I know, you run in to so many belt notchers in Iceland. Its rampant 

[Phil McDade]

Going back to my hometown of Cleveland, the obvious answer is Sleepy Hollow by Stanley Thompson.  It's an affordable public track that sometimes shows up on lists for best munis, but it could use a little cleaning up.  There are too many trees and mowing lines could be better, but the course is a blast and the greens are treacherous with modern speeds.  Manakiki (Ross) is another muni that is worth a play, but it suffers from the same over growth that Sleepy Hollow has.


On the private side, the best courses are on the east side with Canterbury, Kirtland, and Pepper Pike.  The near west side of Cleveland has Westwood (Alison) and Lakewood (Tillinghast), which receive a lot less attention.  They are certainly not as good, but there are some good holes on each course once you get away from the flat land the club houses.

The Country Club is arguably the best course in the Cleveland area, and perhaps all of Ohio; it's the Holy Grail of access:


http://golfclubatlas.com/courses-by-country/usa/the-country-club-pepper-pike/


For the belt-notchers, the course in Cleveland most overlooked is probably Mayfield CC. I've also heard good things about Shaker Heights (Ross).

[Brad Tufts]

I thought about this for a couple weeks, and much like NY, Boston has so many to notch before you get to a real drop in quality.


Let's call the notch courses TCC, Myopia, Essex, Salem, Boston GC, and Old Sandwich (in no order).


The next tier would be Charles River, Winchester, Brae Burn, Concord, George Wright.  Most cities would kill for this lineup, even overlooking the notchers!


Tier three contains many many old-line privates like my Tedesco, Kernwood, Plymouth, Dedham, Oakley, Woodland, Blue Hill, etc.  TPC down near Gillette Stadium barely cracks the Top 20!!


90 minutes of driving brings in Kittansett, Worcester, Vesper, Oyster Harbors, Hyannisport, Manchester CC in NH, York Golf and Tennis in Maine...not to mention pretty much all of Rhode Island.


We suffer a bit in public golf terms, but one would have a very good time with a Ross-infused George Wright-Franklin Park day, or a trip to Red Tail, or a combo of Pinehills (36 Nicklaus-Rees) and Waverly Oaks.

[Tim Martin]

I thought about this for a couple weeks, and much like NY, Boston has so many to notch before you get to a real drop in quality.


Let's call the notch courses TCC, Myopia, Essex, Salem, Boston GC, and Old Sandwich (in no order).


The next tier would be Charles River, Winchester, Brae Burn, Concord, George Wright.  Most cities would kill for this lineup, even overlooking the notchers!


Tier three contains many many old-line privates like my Tedesco, Kernwood, Plymouth, Dedham, Oakley, Woodland, Blue Hill, etc.  TPC down near Gillette Stadium barely cracks the Top 20!!


90 minutes of driving brings in Kittansett, Worcester, Vesper, Oyster Harbors, Hyannisport, Manchester CC in NH, York Golf and Tennis in Maine...not to mention pretty much all of Rhode Island.


We suffer a bit in public golf terms, but one would have a very good time with a Ross-infused George Wright-Franklin Park day, or a trip to Red Tail, or a combo of Pinehills (36 Nicklaus-Rees) and Waverly Oaks.

Brad-If it takes you 90 minutes to drive from Boston to Worcester I think you are going the wrong way.😉

[Carl Nichols]

I thought about this for a couple weeks, and much like NY, Boston has so many to notch before you get to a real drop in quality.


Let's call the notch courses TCC, Myopia, Essex, Salem, Boston GC, and Old Sandwich (in no order).


The next tier would be Charles River, Winchester, Brae Burn, Concord, George Wright.  Most cities would kill for this lineup, even overlooking the notchers!


Tier three contains many many old-line privates like my Tedesco, Kernwood, Plymouth, Dedham, Oakley, Woodland, Blue Hill, etc.  TPC down near Gillette Stadium barely cracks the Top 20!!


90 minutes of driving brings in Kittansett, Worcester, Vesper, Oyster Harbors, Hyannisport, Manchester CC in NH, York Golf and Tennis in Maine...not to mention pretty much all of Rhode Island.


We suffer a bit in public golf terms, but one would have a very good time with a Ross-infused George Wright-Franklin Park day, or a trip to Red Tail, or a combo of Pinehills (36 Nicklaus-Rees) and Waverly Oaks.

Brad-If it takes you 90 minutes to drive from Boston to Worcester I think you are going the wrong way.😉

But you could make it to Eastward Ho! with no traffic!

[Brad Tufts]

90 minutes was a marker...which Worcester is well inside...I just don't consider Worcester CC in the "Boston area."


Boston traffic is as bad as ever....it's been absolutely brutal lately.


I was just looking at a website for the development of the old Weymouth NAS (Union Point) which says that it's "20 minutes from Boston."  My reaction to that was "when? 1AM?"  Any weekday morning or afternoon, the old Weymouth NAS is at least an hour, probably more, from Boston...and we are talking 12 miles.

[Tim Martin]

90 minutes was a marker...which Worcester is well inside...I just don't consider Worcester CC in the "Boston area."


Boston traffic is as bad as ever....it's been absolutely brutal lately.


I was just looking at a website for the development of the old Weymouth NAS (Union Point) which says that it's "20 minutes from Boston."  My reaction to that was "when? 1AM?"  Any weekday morning or afternoon, the old Weymouth NAS is at least an hour, probably more, from Boston...and we are talking 12 miles.

Brad-There are no shortage in Metro Boston for sure. I think Belmont, Whitinsville, Wianno,Thorny Lea, New Seabury Blue and Cohasset are in there as well.

[Brad Tufts]

Yeah it's still amazing to me how many I haven't seen considering I've played roughly half of the state's 350 courses.


Still have never been to Belmont (other than for a bat mitzvah!), Cohasset, Hatherly, Wianno, Blue Hill, Framingham, Hyannisport, Vesper since the renovation...I hear all are worthy of tier 2...and I've never played on Nantucket!

[Mark Jackson]

Going back to my hometown of Cleveland, the obvious answer is Sleepy Hollow by Stanley Thompson.  It's an affordable public track that sometimes shows up on lists for best munis, but it could use a little cleaning up.  There are too many trees and mowing lines could be better, but the course is a blast and the greens are treacherous with modern speeds.  Manakiki (Ross) is another muni that is worth a play, but it suffers from the same over growth that Sleepy Hollow has.


On the private side, the best courses are on the east side with Canterbury, Kirtland, and Pepper Pike.  The near west side of Cleveland has Westwood (Alison) and Lakewood (Tillinghast), which receive a lot less attention.  They are certainly not as good, but there are some good holes on each course once you get away from the flat land the club houses.

The Country Club is arguably the best course in the Cleveland area, and perhaps all of Ohio; it's the Holy Grail of access:


http://golfclubatlas.com/courses-by-country/usa/the-country-club-pepper-pike/


For the belt-notchers, the course in Cleveland most overlooked is probably Mayfield CC. I've also heard good things about Shaker Heights (Ross).

Former Cleveland resident here also. Lots of solid private clubs on the East side as Phil mentioned, but the privates on the west side are not as impressive architecturally despite the big name designers due to the land being much more flat west of the city.


The west side club that I think flies under the radar most is Elyria (Flynn). The site has more movement to the land than Westwood and Lakewood, and the course has a solid set of generously sized Flynn greens that have some similar characteristics to the greens at The Country Club (Pepper Pike). The club has done a decent job with tree maintenance as well (much more so than Lakewood, which the last time I played it, seemed to have quite a few narrow corridors).

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