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John Kavanaugh

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How old can an architect get...
« on: August 12, 2017, 12:07:36 AM »
before he becomes a tribute to himself?  Help me out here. Examples? Has anyone past 60 in the history of art been more than just a check cashing machine? Music, theater, image creation, structures, or, God forbid GCA.

Matthew Mollica

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Re: How old can an architect get...
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2017, 12:27:06 AM »
Frank Lloyd Wright designed Fallingwater in his mid 60s and the Guggenheim more than a decade after that.
"The truth about golf courses has a slightly different expression for every golfer. Which of them, one might ask, is without the most definitive convictions concerning the merits or deficiencies of the links he plays over? Freedom of criticism is one of the last privileges he is likely to forgo."

John Kavanaugh

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Re: How old can an architect get...
« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2017, 12:32:32 AM »
For the sake of argument Picasso painted the following in 1941 at the age of 60. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dora_Maar_au_Chat


It is worth conservatively 100 million today. But that don't make it good. Just important.

Matthew Mollica

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Re: How old can an architect get...
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2017, 12:36:07 AM »
And Monet created his water lilies series in his early eighties.
"The truth about golf courses has a slightly different expression for every golfer. Which of them, one might ask, is without the most definitive convictions concerning the merits or deficiencies of the links he plays over? Freedom of criticism is one of the last privileges he is likely to forgo."

John Kavanaugh

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Re: How old can an architect get...
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2017, 12:40:27 AM »
Frank Lloyd Wright designed Fallingwater in his mid 60s and the Guggenheim more than a decade after that.


Have you been to either? They are non functioning tributes to the past. Neither works well now as originally intended.

Matthew Mollica

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Re: How old can an architect get...
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2017, 12:42:30 AM »
Been to both, and loved them both. Fallingwater seems a victim of neglect as much as anything. I will happily contest that the Guggenheim doesn't work.
"The truth about golf courses has a slightly different expression for every golfer. Which of them, one might ask, is without the most definitive convictions concerning the merits or deficiencies of the links he plays over? Freedom of criticism is one of the last privileges he is likely to forgo."

Matthew Mollica

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Re: How old can an architect get...
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2017, 12:47:41 AM »
Leonardo da Vinci lived to 67. He was painting, writing, performing anatomical dissections and thinking until his last days...
"The truth about golf courses has a slightly different expression for every golfer. Which of them, one might ask, is without the most definitive convictions concerning the merits or deficiencies of the links he plays over? Freedom of criticism is one of the last privileges he is likely to forgo."

Matthew Mollica

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Re: How old can an architect get...
« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2017, 01:12:40 AM »
Paul Newman, Henry Fonda and John Wayne all won Best Actor Oscars in their 60s.
"The truth about golf courses has a slightly different expression for every golfer. Which of them, one might ask, is without the most definitive convictions concerning the merits or deficiencies of the links he plays over? Freedom of criticism is one of the last privileges he is likely to forgo."

John Kavanaugh

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Re: How old can an architect get...
« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2017, 01:24:12 AM »
Been to both, and loved them both. Fallingwater seems a victim of neglect as much as anything. I will happily contest that the Guggenheim doesn't work.


Art in the hall...give me Kids in the hall. The Guggenheim is a lousy place to appreciate art. The slope promotes you to keep moving.

Matthew Mollica

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Re: How old can an architect get...
« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2017, 01:31:24 AM »
The slope allows one to go back and forth easily, comparing works of the same artist across different times.
No stairs to negotiate, so the elderly and those in wheelchairs can use the facility more easily.
Visitors can peer across the open atrium and gain a sense of how much of the collection has been viewed, and how much remains.
Visionary. And that is without referencing the creation of a great external aesthetic, devoid of the need for external fire escapes, which would have ruined  the facade.
"The truth about golf courses has a slightly different expression for every golfer. Which of them, one might ask, is without the most definitive convictions concerning the merits or deficiencies of the links he plays over? Freedom of criticism is one of the last privileges he is likely to forgo."

John Kavanaugh

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Re: How old can an architect get...
« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2017, 01:32:09 AM »
Paul Newman, Henry Fonda and John Wayne all won Best Actor Oscars in their 60s.


Please...Lifetime achievement awards. Newman didn't win for Cool Hand Luke...You made my point.

Matthew Mollica

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Re: How old can an architect get...
« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2017, 01:36:37 AM »
WiFi was invented by an Australian team led by Dr John O'Sullivan. The work was completed in his 60s.
"The truth about golf courses has a slightly different expression for every golfer. Which of them, one might ask, is without the most definitive convictions concerning the merits or deficiencies of the links he plays over? Freedom of criticism is one of the last privileges he is likely to forgo."

John Kavanaugh

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Re: How old can an architect get...
« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2017, 01:48:34 AM »
I think Logan's Run had it about right. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan%27s_Run_(film)

Mike Sweeney

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Re: How old can an architect get...
« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2017, 05:53:12 AM »

Art in the hall...give me Kids in the hall. The Guggenheim is a lousy place to appreciate art. The slope promotes you to keep moving.


I saw a history of motorcycles there which spanned roughly 100 years. In that instance, the slope was a good thing, but I understand your point.
"One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us."

Dr. Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark

Adam Lawrence

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Re: How old can an architect get...
« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2017, 08:19:23 AM »
Henri Matisse created an entirely new form of artistic expression (paper cuts) in the last four years of his life, from 81-85, when, because of physical incapacity, he could not pain any more. The works are astonishing, full of life and amazingly creative. He also designed the remarkably beautiful Chapelle de la Rosaire in Vence, although he was an atheist.
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Wayne_Kozun

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Re: How old can an architect get...
« Reply #15 on: August 12, 2017, 09:32:53 AM »

In music I think that Leonard Cohen still did some great stuff after he was 60.

But moving on to GCA I imagine that many/most of the courses that OTM "designed" were after he was sixty.


Bill Coore is 72 and Ben Crenshaw is now 65 so their recent work, including courses like Cabot Cliffs, Sand Valley and Streamsong were done post-60.

John Cowden

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Re: How old can an architect get...
« Reply #16 on: August 12, 2017, 12:54:16 PM »
...and thus it seems the question has been answered. 

Kalen Braley

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Re: How old can an architect get...
« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2017, 12:56:03 PM »
Even Hugh Hefner was an architect of sorts who seemed to only be warming up by the time he hit his 60s....

Mike Sweeney

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Re: How old can an architect get...
« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2017, 04:08:17 PM »
before he becomes a tribute to himself?  Help me out here. Examples? Has anyone past 60 in the history of art been more than just a check cashing machine? Music, theater, image creation, structures, or, God forbid GCA.


I watched Carl Reiner's documentary last week. I would give it a Doak 6:


http://variety.com/2017/scene/news/carl-reiner-mel-brooks-dick-van-dyke-if-youre-not-in-the-obit-eat-breakfast-premiere-1202433968/


If the new HBO documentary “If You’re Not in the Obit, Eat Breakfast” is any indication, the answer is a resounding yes. The title of the film, which premieres on the premium cable network on June 5, is based on an old joke of 95-year-old Carl Reiner. Reiner has been incredibly busy since he turned 90, writing several books and is active on social media. He even tweets an anti-Trump story before he goes to bed at night.
In the film, he tries to find out why so many people are defying their age and leading vital lives after the age of 90. He visits with Dick Van Dyke, 91, who became a star in Reiner’s Emmy Award-winning 1961-65 CBS sitcom “The Dick Van Dyke Show.”
"One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us."

Dr. Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark

Mike_Trenham

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Re: How old can an architect get...
« Reply #19 on: August 12, 2017, 06:28:09 PM »
Thomas Jefferson was about 80 give or take during his creation of The Univerity of Virginia.
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Ira Fishman

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Re: How old can an architect get...
« Reply #20 on: August 12, 2017, 07:15:42 PM »
How old was MacKenzie when he designed ANGC?


Ira

Matthew Mollica

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Re: How old can an architect get...
« Reply #21 on: August 12, 2017, 07:26:58 PM »
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"The truth about golf courses has a slightly different expression for every golfer. Which of them, one might ask, is without the most definitive convictions concerning the merits or deficiencies of the links he plays over? Freedom of criticism is one of the last privileges he is likely to forgo."

Mike Sweeney

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Re: How old can an architect get...
« Reply #22 on: August 12, 2017, 07:34:00 PM »
Thomas Jefferson was about 80 give or take during his creation of The Univerity of Virginia.


76, I checked, but that is amazing. That was 90+ easily back in that era.
"One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us."

Dr. Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark

James Brown

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Re: How old can an architect get...
« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2017, 08:31:42 PM »
Age is just a number.  Just like par. 

Ryan Hillenbrand

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Re: How old can an architect get...
« Reply #24 on: August 12, 2017, 09:01:50 PM »
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