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Carl Nichols

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Should putts of shorter than 12" be conceded to pros?
« on: July 30, 2017, 05:41:55 PM »
If I'm correctly reading the shotlink data I could find, PGA tour players miss an incredibly small percentage (.1% or lower) of putts shorter than 12".  Given the complete lack of spectator interest in watching guys finish these short putts, and considering the time that would be saved, should they just be conceded?   
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Jon Heise

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Re: Should putts of shorter than 12" be conceded to pros?
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2017, 06:01:31 PM »
No.  Not at all.  But I would prefer them to have a huge (like 6 shot, maybe 8) penalty laid on to them if they try to mark it just to line it up...
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BHoover

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Re: Should putts of shorter than 12" be conceded to pros?
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2017, 06:09:10 PM »
Um, no
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Terry Lavin

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Re: Should putts of shorter than 12" be conceded to pros?
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2017, 06:47:37 PM »
Puhleeze.
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Carl Nichols

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Re: Should putts of shorter than 12" be conceded to pros?
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2017, 07:07:32 PM »
Look, i don't really think they should pick up such putts, but putting them has to be one of the least interesting things that happens in sports.
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Mike Sweeney

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Re: Should putts of shorter than 12" be conceded to pros?
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2017, 07:08:47 PM »
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Pete_Pittock

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Re: Should putts of shorter than 12" be conceded to pros?
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2017, 07:43:25 PM »

No, but here are a couple of suggestions I've been mulling over during the week.


I'd 86 the part of the course setup for green speeds and make that a variable. Remember, in the old days you probably encountered 5 or 6 different green speeds in a round. Now the officials have to cut holes on flattish portions of the green.


Also, can those super green books which let you know the exact slope everywhere on the green.


Now it is like watching free throws. For Jon H, I'd sort of agree, but I think if they do it more than once we need to go to American football rules. Throw a flag for delay of game and penalize them five yards.
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Sean_A

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Re: Should putts of shorter than 12" be conceded to pros?
« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2017, 07:46:59 PM »
Sounds good to me...maybe the game would be better to watch.  Ah yes, forgot, golf isn't meant to be entertainment.  Its serious stuff which requires endless amounts of time to discuss rules on tv and watch short putts.  Jeepers...golf on tv has completely lost the plot and painfully so.


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Bill Gayne

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Re: Should putts of shorter than 12" be conceded to pros?
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2017, 07:58:56 PM »
All holes should be completed but that doesn't mean TV should show it happening. It's bad editing or production if they show a putt of that length live (obvious exception being is if it's the final winning putt). I hate seeing putts inside one foot marked and maybe that is the needed change.
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Marty Bonnar

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Re: Should putts of shorter than 12" be conceded to pros?
« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2017, 08:07:05 PM »
I think the cup should be at least 12" diameter. That would be the fairest test.


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Marty Bonnar

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Re: Should putts of shorter than 12" be conceded to pros?
« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2017, 08:09:33 PM »
I'm sitting watching a formula e thing in Montreal. They change cars midway. The world is clearly spinning off its axis.


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Tom_Doak

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Re: Should putts of shorter than 12" be conceded to pros?
« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2017, 09:38:14 PM »
Maybe they could change the Rule to INSIST on continuous putting and no marking and cleaning of the ball after the first instance.  That would definitely speed up play would it not?
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John Cowden

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Re: Should putts of shorter than 12" be conceded to pros?
« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2017, 12:20:35 AM »
That is a spectacular idea, Tom.  (Count me all-in, stymie rule too.)   No concessions of those pesky li'l' ones, but play your ball into the hole!
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Matt_Cohn

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Re: Should putts of shorter than 12" be conceded to pros?
« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2017, 12:52:40 AM »
Quote from: Tom_Doak on July 30, 2017, 09:38:14 PM
Maybe they could change the Rule to INSIST on continuous putting and no marking and cleaning of the ball after the first instance.  That would definitely speed up play would it not?


How? Given that you'd have to wait for a player to read the second putt without allowing another player to hit his/her putt in the meantime?
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Michael Tamburrini

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Re: Should putts of shorter than 12" be conceded to pros?
« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2017, 02:54:00 AM »
Quote from: Matt_Cohn on July 31, 2017, 12:52:40 AM
Quote from: Tom_Doak on July 30, 2017, 09:38:14 PM
Maybe they could change the Rule to INSIST on continuous putting and no marking and cleaning of the ball after the first instance.  That would definitely speed up play would it not?


How? Given that you'd have to wait for a player to read the second putt without allowing another player to hit his/her putt in the meantime?


The USGA enforced this in the 1966 US Open: putt continuously and only mark once per green.  They didn't want rounds to exceed four hours...  Strangely, they seem to have been quite keen to stamp out slow play back in the 60s - I'm not sure when they threw their hands in the air and gave up.


Anyway, it'd probably shave about 15-20 minutes off a round.  Yes, you'd have to wait for a player to hit their second putt but you'd be waiting on that anyway.  At least this way they wouldn't be able to mark the ball, clean it and painstakingly line it up before they hit the second putt.
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Adrian_Stiff

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Re: Should putts of shorter than 12" be conceded to pros?
« Reply #15 on: July 31, 2017, 04:59:17 AM »
Quote from: Tom_Doak on July 30, 2017, 09:38:14 PM
Maybe they could change the Rule to INSIST on continuous putting and no marking and cleaning of the ball after the first instance.  That would definitely speed up play would it not?
I have been saying this for years. I did an experiment and MARKING IT ONCE ON THE GREEN saved 27 minutes. A lot of players take time aligning their putts with a golf ball line, we have a member that does it on the tee!
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Joe Bausch

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Re: Should putts of shorter than 12" be conceded to pros?
« Reply #16 on: July 31, 2017, 07:52:38 AM »
Quote from: Carl Nichols on July 30, 2017, 05:41:55 PM
If I'm correctly reading the shotlink data I could find, PGA tour players miss an incredibly small percentage (.1% or lower) of putts shorter than 12".  Given the complete lack of spectator interest in watching guys finish these short putts, and considering the time that would be saved, should they just be conceded?   

Dear Carl, 

I love the idea.  And can we make it retroactive?

Sincerely,

S. Hoch
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Re: Should putts of shorter than 12" be conceded to pros?
« Reply #17 on: July 31, 2017, 08:17:23 AM »
Quote from: Joe Bausch on July 31, 2017, 07:52:38 AM
Quote from: Carl Nichols on July 30, 2017, 05:41:55 PM
If I'm correctly reading the shotlink data I could find, PGA tour players miss an incredibly small percentage (.1% or lower) of putts shorter than 12".  Given the complete lack of spectator interest in watching guys finish these short putts, and considering the time that would be saved, should they just be conceded?   

Dear Carl, 

I love the idea.  And can we make it retroactive?

Sincerely,

S. Hoch
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Haha.  ;D ;D


I was thinking Hoch last night. Sir Nick wouldn't approve. 
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Carl Nichols

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Re: Should putts of shorter than 12" be conceded to pros?
« Reply #18 on: July 31, 2017, 08:38:22 AM »
Quote from: Ben Cowan (Michigan) on July 31, 2017, 08:17:23 AM
Quote from: Joe Bausch on July 31, 2017, 07:52:38 AM
Quote from: Carl Nichols on July 30, 2017, 05:41:55 PM
If I'm correctly reading the shotlink data I could find, PGA tour players miss an incredibly small percentage (.1% or lower) of putts shorter than 12".  Given the complete lack of spectator interest in watching guys finish these short putts, and considering the time that would be saved, should they just be conceded?   

Dear Carl, 

I love the idea.  And can we make it retroactive?

Sincerely,

S. Hoch
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Haha.  ;D ;D


I was thinking Hoch last night. Sir Nick wouldn't approve.


I believe that was a 2-footer
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corey miller

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Re: Should putts of shorter than 12" be conceded to pros?
« Reply #19 on: July 31, 2017, 11:33:35 AM »

Not sure if you are playing in Pro events Adrian but if it saves 27 minutes in the way you tested I am shocked.  I would also say that I would probably not want to play with the other members of your group if that is what they do in a casual five $ nassau Saturday round. 

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Ian Mackenzie

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Re: Should putts of shorter than 12" be conceded to pros?
« Reply #20 on: July 31, 2017, 11:38:31 AM »
by the time the player asked for an official to come out to measure the "gimmee", the player could just putt the stupid ball in the hole.
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Pat Burke

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Re: Should putts of shorter than 12" be conceded to pros?
« Reply #21 on: July 31, 2017, 01:04:20 PM »
No.


BUT, we should outlaw the televising of any putt inside that length
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JLahrman

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Re: Should putts of shorter than 12" be conceded to pros?
« Reply #22 on: July 31, 2017, 01:22:42 PM »

Not if it means that we'll never see this again:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vm6tTdn-P2Q


Yes those were all longer than 12 inches...but he probably would have missed them had they been 12 inches...
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Peter Flory

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Re: Should putts of shorter than 12" be conceded to pros?
« Reply #23 on: July 31, 2017, 01:46:01 PM »
They'd have to paint a gimmie circle around each hole. 
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Carl Nichols

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Re: Should putts of shorter than 12" be conceded to pros?
« Reply #24 on: July 31, 2017, 02:00:37 PM »
Quote from: JLahrman on July 31, 2017, 01:22:42 PM

Not if it means that we'll never see this again:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vm6tTdn-P2Q


Yes those were all longer than 12 inches...but he probably would have missed them had they been 12 inches...


He made the one that was less than 12 inches.   ;D
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