Best line to the green not from the fairway

[Thomas Dai]

I have just been reading about Seve's often called 'carpark' golf when he won The Open at Lytham the first time. Was it really 38 years ago (1979)!
Anyway, apparently one of the reseons he 'carparked' it around was because he had been playing practice rounds with Roberto de Vicenzo and RdV had advised him to play in a very aggressive manner as the rough that year was particularly burnt up and low and thus being off the fairway wasn't a great disadvantage, indeed in some circumstances being off the fairway was a positive advantage as it gave a better angle into greens and pins.

What would be other examples of par-4's and par-5's where the line of play to the green is better from off the fairway than from on it, even from in a sand bunker or a grassy hollow?

Are there any exampls of holes that have been deliberately designed this way?

Atb

[Adrian_Stiff]

I have just been reading about Seve's often called 'carpark' golf when he won The Open at Lytham the first time. Was it really 38 years ago (1979)!
Anyway, apparently one of the reseons he 'carparked' it around was because he had been playing practice rounds with Roberto de Vicenzo and RdV had advised him to play in a very aggressive manner as the rough that year was particularly burnt up and low and thus being off the fairway wasn't a great disadvantage, indeed in some circumstances being off the fairway was a positive advantage as it gave a better angle into greens and pins.

What would be other examples of par-4's and par-5's where the line of play to the green is better from off the fairway than from on it, even from in a sand bunker or a grassy hollow?

Are there any exampls of holes that have been deliberately designed this way?

Atb

I don't think that information is right. I was at the 79 Open all four days, fairways were very narrow at many holes and some of the rough was brutal. The 15th fairway was a ribbon, I absolutely remember thinking I could take 90 around here. When Seve won part of his speech was that he won because the fairways were so narrow so everyone missed them. His tee shot at 16 final day was awful, he did not attempt it on the other days. I don't think Lytham has holes with better lies from off the fairway, there are so many bunkers at the edges of fairways and not many greens where bunkers eat in, the statements don't seem correct, best place at Lytham is straight up the middle save you could have a go at 13 perhaps. Who wrote the article?

[Garland Bayley]

The 13th hole at my club has its green benched into the hillside. It slopes from back left down to right front. The left side is always higher than the right side, so it is an advantage to come into it from the right, which of course is from the rough.

Macan preferred greens that sloped every way but back down to front. This meant that often you were at a distinct advantage to being on one side of the fairway vs. the other side. You also were at an advantage if you could turn the ball both directions. I documented Salem Golf Club having such greens. Since courses often let trees take over off fairway areas, much of his design is not realized, because you can't turn the ball in from the left or right if there are heavy stands of trees on the side you want to bring the ball in from.